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Citing Polluting Vehicles Using Roadside Sensors

Makarand writes "A regional southern Californian law will soon allow installation of roadside sensors to measure pollutants from tailpipes as vehicles accelerate. The sensors would then activate a camera to photograph the license plates of vehicles whose emissions are too high and the owner would be notified to bring his vehicle for a smog check. This would ensure that if a vehicle has developed a problem and become a polluter, the owner cannot wait till the next smog check date to fix the problem. The plan is to have these sensors in place by year 2010. As of now, the state depends on the mandatory vehicle smog checks and the Highway Patrol and travelers to report smoking vehicles."

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  1. subject by roseblood · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our new electronic gas sniffing overlords!

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  2. 2010? by john_is_war · · Score: 2, Interesting

    2010? By then won't we be in our hydrogen fuel celled hybrid solar hover cars?

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    1. Re:2010? by anubi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yeh, there will probably be a lot of really nifty high technology cars out there by 2010.

      Remember though that California Law exempts cars over 30 years old from the smog tests. My take is that although these older antiques will still be legal to use on the road, the owner will be required to at least maintain the vehicle to such an extent that it doesn't make one helluva mess wherever it goes.

      I'm sure you've seen em.. just one car fogging up the entire area.. you would swear the guy is probably burning motor oil for fuel. It looks like this is what they are after.

      There are so many variables involved that they would have to set the devices to trap the really gross polluters so they don't get a lot of false positives. But then, what do we do if a new style of exhaust pipes come out.. dressing them up the side of the vehicle like on Diesel trucks, where the sensors won't see em?

      Side note... ever noted how much crap a large diesel truck emits when trying to accelerate, yet they are relatively clean once they are no longer straining for acceleration? My guess is that the truck pollutes about the same for a mile of transport, or to recover from one stop. Now, if we could get those babies up to 40 mph or so, and sync to them, we would all have a lot less diesel smoke to breathe.

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  3. Re:I am in shock and awed by /dev/trash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Probably will work better than citizens reporting cars, as they do now.

  4. Re: I am in shock and awed by Yokaze · · Score: 4, Informative

    To my limited knowledge, spectroscopy is the method of choice of measuring pollution in exhaust of plants.

    AFAIK, a LASER directed on the chute and measuring the reflected spectrum deliver accurate data on various gases (CO,SO2...)

    The external factors you have named maybe unpredictable, but are measurable and the systematical errors and statistical errors stemming from them can be measured and accounted for.

    I may be wrong, I only remember it from something I've heard 5-10 years ago.
    In that case, please enlighten me.

    The report was something along this line:
    Before such systems, govermental agencies checking the exhaust of plants had to build up an apparatus at the site (at the exhaust). The arrival of the agency at the site gave the operator the signal change the settings, so that they pass the inspection, which usually operated at a cheaper and less cleaner moed.
    The (at that time) new system fitted into a van. They just had to drive some hundred meters near to the chute, with a line-of-sight, pointed the LASER at the exhaust and read the print-out, which listed the PPM of the pollutants.

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  5. Re: I am in shock and awed by captainktainer · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are absolutely and totally correct- except that plants don't move, and emissions from plants travel at a fixed distance and usually a fixed speed between the source of the emissions and the sensor. On the road, there is no such guarantee, and the sensor- and the emission source- is subject to orders of magnitude more variability and much more environmental exposure, and hence a great deal more likelihood of false reports.

    Now, if the spectroscopic sensor were embedded in the tailpipe or mounted on the bumper pointed at the tailpipe, that would work well- but civil libertarians would (probably justifiably) be up in arms over such heavy-handed law enforcement.

    Eventually, this system will probably work for cars- I doubt by 2010, but eventually. However, until it's reliable and prevents innocent, law-abiding drivers from being unfairly targeted, I don't think it's proper or fair to implement it.

  6. Take the advice in the subject line, okay? by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The sensors are placed on freeway entrance ramps (that's how they can catch pollution from vehicles accelerating). These are usually one lane, so only one vehicle goes by at a time; no question of nailing you for the car next to you. Further, if the sensor is reading continuously it is going to see how fast each car's plume dissipates and whether your car was actually adding to what was there before it or just driving through it.

    Given California's pollution problems, finding ways to remove the gross polluters (the low-hanging fruit) means a huge savings because you can avoid having to eke out the fractional-percent in the remaining available improvements in other things. This is what cost-efficiency is about.

  7. Re:Your sig by Crashmarik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I would normally support the general concept of having government interfere in day to day life as little as neccessesary, your statement is idiotic.

    The other day while driving home I was stuck behind an idiot with a shit exhaust system. After being behind him for more than 20 minutes I had the headache to end all headaches. Cars do harm you. Ask anyone who has been in an accident. Requiring that citizens do not go around harming each other is a basic function of government. Even ancient Sumer had a building code.

    Please do not give me the libertarian line about letting people carry guns and sort things out amongst themselves. The only thing that would accomplish is make certain that there are alot of dead people lying around.

  8. Arizona has had this for years by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 3, Informative

    We tried this several years ago in Arizona. They had vans they rolled out with equipment on the entrances to the freeway system. As you rolled over a wire, a sensor would take a sniff and snap your photo. I think that the policy was to only issue a demand for inspection after 12 of these tests were failed. I haven't seen the vans around in some time (the last couple of years). If I had to guess why, I'd say it was probably because they weren't very effective or accurate.