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Silicon Valley - The Geeks Are Back In Charge?

securitas writes "The New York Times' Steve Lohr reports on a fundamental shift taking place in Silicon Valley in the post-dotcom era: the geeks are back in charge. New start-ups and companies that survived the bubble 'are based on innovation and are run by people with deep technical skills.' These companies have real technology and a solid technical base that have historically been the bedrock of Silicon Valley - something that was temporarily forgotten during the dotcom bubble. Profiled companies include Tellme Networks (speech recognition), InterTrust (DRM - digital rights management), VMware (virtual machines) and Scalix (Linux e-mail servers)."

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  1. Let's not forget ... by nbvb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let's not forget our friends over at IronPort Systems (www.ironport.com). Great product, great team...

    Amazing, first real dot-com I've dealt with that has a real solid shot of being the Big Dog in what they do ..

  2. Myths by cubicledrone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) Everyone fired or laid off post-dot-com was a skill-less, freeloading slacker who got their technical skills from "Learn $TECHNOLOGY in 21 days" books.

    False. In fact, middle-management is now finding their IT department unable to do much of anything without a huge budget increase or new equipment. Middle-management, as expected, is still sitting there, having meetings and trying to figure out what to do.

    2) Anyone who can't get a job as a programmer now is a skill-less, freeloading slacker who got their technical skills from "Learn $TECHNOLOGY in 21 days" books.

    False. There are Masters Degree holders in both engineering and scientific fields of IT study who cant rent interviews, much less jobs.

    3) Technical skills are a commodity.

    False. Perhaps 10% of the working population has the training, education and experience to build a complete computer program. Middle-management, unable to understand this fact, much less the technologies they are in charge of, continues to presume that ordering a database is no different than ordering new file cabinets.

    When these and other myths are no longer givens in the discussion of improving the IT department, then, and only then, will things improve.

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    1. Re:Myths by emptybody · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know many people who are still employed because they do not have strong skill sets.

      Management went through and axed folks who cost money. Skilled workers cost money.
      They kept the low men on the totem pole. People that they could keep dumping crap work onto. People who will never find better jobs anywhere.
      People who will continue to work applying hack after hack, and bandaid after bandaid rather than fixing any one problem because they do not know how to debug problems. People who accept gladly an artificially low salary.

      They don't keep the skilled technicians that could maintain everything because they cost more money. instead they "hire the handicapped" and keep the cheap flunkies who do what they are told and will not complain when the finger of blame is pointed at them for the technology failing that they do not know how to support in the first place!

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    2. Re:Myths by Knights+who+say+'INT · · Score: 4, Interesting
      but it's time for some realism and some recognition that a safe, well paid, job is usually better than a temporary obscenely-paid one.

      Actually, you need to do a present-value cashflow comparison between the two options.

      Really, "present-value cashflow comparison" is a Business 101 buzzphrase, but it's pretty much how you understand how financial decisions should be made. Everything else in finance (from internal rate of return decisions to Black-Scholes derivative evaluation) are variations on that theme, with different degrees of sophistication.

      Here's a quick tutorial I just found on Google. It's really easy to understand, and might avoid unwanted insertions in thy financial behinds.

    3. Re:Myths by elpapacito · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think there is a common misconception of what programmers really do. If we compare the cost of resources (in a certain moment in time) of the resources used by programmers (mostly books,hardware,beverages,food) and the cost of resources used by other workers (for instance , a plumber) with the market prices of their products/services and quantity of good/service produced , I think we'll see that programmer are living goldmines.

      Let's say that a plumber spends some money in materials to build a network of pipes needed to bring fresh water to an house. He sells his product to one person, with one house. You can't resell that very same work to other persons, because each and every house needs its plumbing works and materials.

      Now the programmer spends his/her lifetime in front of a computer and does some investments in himself by buying hardware and books.Some company may pay these costs.Once the program reaches a mature stage it can be sold to MILLIONS of clients with ridicolously low replication costs.

      The programmers usually don't get royalties on quantity of software sold : once the program is developed, it's company property and (in theory) the programmer could be fired. Thanks for your help, goto hell.

      Now is it unreasonable for a programmer to ask for -comparatively- otrageous wages ? NO ! We have just seen that he's not likely to see his revenue increase EVEN IF the company for which he developed the software sold some million copies.

      He may choose to have stock options instead of cash , but as many programmers have understood that's too much of a risk expecially when there isn't a system preventing management from doing wrong business decision or simple fraud.

      Someone may say that the programmer doesn't know jack about selling products, financing, accounting , laws etc so he deserves to be paid little because he's not sustaining all the costs involved in running a company. But how the f*ck is a programmer supposed to do ALL of that and still do his job of daily coding and bugfixing ?
      It seems humanly impossible to me.

      Yet, his product can be sold in enormous quantity and he's supposed to sustain all the risks of his job without a fair share on the QUANTITY of product sold. No wonder he's going to ask for comparatively huge wages.

    4. Re:Myths by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It might come as a surprise but, despite knowing literally nearly a hundred programmers throughout my career, I've never met one who worked for a software publisher.

      Never one. I work at a business consultancy. People I've met include employees of Vodafone (the UK telecommunications giant), various military suppliers (Ferranti (RIP), Boeing), various ISPs, Ford, a university or two, a fuel consultancy, banks, and others are the groups that immediately spring to mind. If you remember that until recently, more lines of code had been written in COBOL than most other programming languages put together, you get some idea of the scales involved in where programming is done. I don't know about you, but I can't think of a single off-the-shelf app written in COBOL (Well, there are rumours about Duke Nukem 3D...) COBOL is pretty much exclusively used for in-house applications.

      Software usually isn't sold. It's usually created and then maintained for many years, often many decades. So the concept of royalties is pretty much a non-starter for either paying programmers or making a starting point about what sorts of salaries they should be demanding.

      Salon's Ask the Pilot guy once made a comparison between actors and pilots, bemoaning the fact that pilots were always seen as rich despite that rarely being the case. He pointed out that everyone knows that the Baldwins and Stallones of this world are paid enormous salaries, but nobody thinks twice about the concept of a "struggling actor". The struggling actor is very definitely the rule, not the exception, and it has nothing to do with his or her talents. Programming in terms of work done is a lot like acting - most of the work we do will not generate that much revenue, even if some "stars" that we're all familiar with (the stuff in boxes at Staples) will. But like pilots, even within the technical community, most programmers are assumed to be working on those star projects. Most programmer's aren't.

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  3. Well this is slashdot by andy1307 · · Score: 1, Interesting
    And they are suing Microsoft

    Microsoft Patent Infringement Overview In April 2001, InterTrust commenced a patent infringement lawsuit against Microsoft. Since that time, InterTrust has continued its investigation of Microsoft products and expanded the litigation to now include eight InterTrust patents and many patent claims. Overall, InterTrust's current assertions against Microsoft can be characterized as relating to:

    Now you know why they were included.

  4. Interesting cycle by nepheles · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's interesting to see a shift this way.

    It seems that the tech industry is highly cyclical, and, once the current batch of geeks have innovated sufficiently to create marketable products, slowly business people will come to replace them

    Once these products have run their course, and a recession kicks in, the shift happens the other way.

    It's a fairly symbiotic relationship, I think, playing to each group's strengths. It's certainly worked for the past 40 years. Long may it continue

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  5. one of them is a lawsuit company by MobyTurbo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Intertrust, an example of a "geek company" in the article, stopped being a technology company with over 300 employees, and became a patents-on-DRM IP lawsuit company with a little over 30 employees, and no new programming. They are now involved with a lawsuit over DRM features of Windows Media Player.

    I don't know why the New York Times chose them as an example of a "geek company" really the only true example of that was VMWare, which never was a dot-com bubble company in the first place.

  6. These are Geeks ? by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Now excuse me if I disagree here, but these appear to be a combination of technical people with decent business people working towards a real solution or product. Technologists don't have to be "geeks", most are not. I'd say that the .com was more a result of geeks than most sectors of the market as it was totally ungrounded in business.

    Steve Jobs & Bill Gates are not geeks, and its THOSE sort of people, and people like Metcalf @ 3COM, and the founders of the other successful IT businesses that Silicon Valley is founded on. Its people who combine strong technical skills, with an even stronger view on how to make markets.

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    1. Re:These are Geeks ? by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd say that the .com was more a result of geeks

      I would differ with that. The .com was routinely business ppl trying to pull off netscapes. They would get a business person who would start something, bring in some geeks, hype a lot, then IPO absolutly nothing but a shell. A good example of that is the way SCO operates these days. Lies being told be a total business person. Claims stuff was stolen and speaks about bringing their OS up to snuff by basically stealing from those that he accuses of theft. ALmost routinely, the bad .com's are the ones that are run 100% by a business person who is making a fast buck.

      The geeks did things like yahoo, google, Amazon, netscape, Redhat, and most of the successful companies. To be honest, it these were not pure geek plays but joint ventures of geeks with good (and mostly honest) business ppl.

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  7. Scalix real technology? by weylin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's vapourware, there isn't a price or a release date anywhere on their site.

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  8. Re:Quattrone is out/Torvalds is in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

    I used to work at CSFB, where Quattrone was. A bigger bunch of gung-ho cowboys it would be hard to imagine. I was asked to do such things as fiddle reports to show losses become profits (reasoning was given, but the reasoning was bogus and the guy just wanted to get a bonus). I edited code on live production servers. Systems fell apart on a more than daily basis. Some loon had decided the best way to look productive was to do a release every two weeks, regardless of whether there was anything to release or whether what was being done was actually in a production ready state. I had to argue with a project manager over the importance of primary keys in a relational database (he didn't believe in them. No, really...).

    Presiding over all this rubbish was convicted criminal Quattrone. I enjoy that phrase. He shouldn't have been the only one.

  9. Funny. The article is a marketing plant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Geeks back in charge? Read the whole article. We've been reading "Silicon Valley is back" articles for two and half years now. Initial investors in the companies mentioned will probably never get their money back. Bottom line is that a few dotcom firms are still living off of their IPOs at 10 percent of their staffing levels. The founders are collecting their paychecks and stuffing their 401Ks and outsourcing to India. "Geeks back in charge"? Nope. Business as usual is more like it. The last "geeks in charge" were Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak. One bailed out and the other morphed back into the privledged little rich boy brat he always was.

  10. Re:DRM? by sacrilicious · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Is there a reason why DRM shouldn't be labeled "real technology"

    DRM is certainly a real technology in the sense that it has goals and implementation details. I do think there are ways to see it as not a "real" technology; admittedly, doing so involves adopting some non-textbook interpretations of "real". Suppose that we colloquially choose to say that real technology is that which results in a clear benefit for humankind; arguably DRM doesn't. These issues aren't black and white, but that's the spirit in which I read the original post. Sort of like saying that the HMO industry isn't a real industry because it doesn't add value; yes it does enrich particular people, and yes it employs many and has lots of papers to shuffle around, but its value to humanity is highly questionable and I don't mind dissing it as "not a real industry".

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  11. The worm has turned. by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I dont know what to attribute it to, but at least in my field, interest has exploded just in the past 3 weeks. It is as if someone pulled a switch, and Silicon Valley was turned back on again. For the past 6 months, I was getting 2-3 inquiries a week, and since October its been 2-3 a day.

    Last week, I turned down business for the first time this year for lack of available time. I dont think there is going to be a lot of hiring, but for Consultants like me, things seem to be getting good again really quickly.

    If things continue like they have been, I may have to hire an extra couple of consultants myself.

  12. bfg technologies by r.future · · Score: 2, Interesting

    bfg technologies striks me as another company like this. If you go to their web site and look around you will see that theya re a group of techie gammers who made a video card company. If you look at the "Why we are different" section of their web site you will see that the

    1. offer 24 hr tech support.
    2. a lifetime guarantee on all their cards.
    3. that the owners of the company are huge gamers who make the cards so that can use them when the play games.

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  13. Re:tellme does not belong on the list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think they fit the rebooting part, if not the geeks take charge part. They used 200 million obtained with a flashy dot-com biz model to build a real one and become profitable. A lot of companies in the valley have done very similar things to survive, regardless of whether the geeks were driving.

  14. Re:skilled=unemployed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was laid off because I broke the first rule of job retention: never finish your work. I worked for several years on a system I'll call XYZ. It was exciting at first, then frustrating, as I became pigeonholed as the resource for this one system, which produced large amounts of revenue. Bizdev people kept adding nonsensical features, which had to be continuously renegotiated in addition to my regular development tasks. Finally, I worked extra-hard to finish one more version, in the hopes of moving to a different position. Instead, of course, I was shown the door.

    When I ran into one of my co-workers a while later. I smiled and said "XYZ is done!".