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Land Warrior Army Suits Simplified, Linux-ized

Dosco Jones writes 'The Army is drastically simplifying the makeup of its high-tech soldier ensemble, the Land Warrior, in an effort to make the system less prone to failures and easier to use,' National Defense reports. Defense Tech continues: 'After the last version of Land Warrior failed reliability tests earlier this year, the Army switched gears and decided to make the system less complex and modify the hardware to make it compatible with the new [and controversial] Stryker infantry vehicle. Changes include a more simplified data bus and a Linux-based operating system, as opposed to Windows. 'Evidence shows that Linux is more stable. We are moving in general to where the Army is going, to Linux-based OS', says the program's manager, Lt. Col. Dave Gallop."

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  1. Open Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This is exactly the sort of project that we geeks should build on an open sourced Linux based platform. The US military hogs all of the good technology, and poor countries are denied the ability to improve their armed forces because of proprietary technology.

    So, who's going to start the GNU Land Warrior project?

  2. Sadly by Theatetus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sadly, we run Windows NT. We'd also never get expensive crap like a warrior suit... hell, my deuce-gear was first issued in 1964 according to the supply ticket.

    Sure, we got the cool new camouflague that makes us look like the Waffen SS, but as far as cool crap like this, we have to wait 5 years for the Army to get tired of playing with it.

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    1. Re:Sadly by Dun+Malg · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Over in Saudi, for Desert Storm, we were issued M16s without a forward assist. You could fire one shot and then it'd jam. I guess, after that, you could swing it like a bat or throw it. Glad I took along my 1942 RemingtonRand 1911. Just loose enough to keep functioning with all the grit. 37th AeroMedical Evacuation Group (USAFR) MacDill AFB

      That's the Air Force for ya'. They haven't made the M-16 since the mid 60's (M-16A1 has forward assist) and the AF hasn't gotten rid of theirs yet? Of course, PT testing in the AF is riding a stationary bike every 6 months to prove you're not dead, so it's no surprise that they don't have much in the way of combat gear...

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  3. Re:Scary,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Pssst. Don't freak out on me now pal, but guess what OS our Aegis cruisers run? Windows is constantly used in mission-critical applications, for some odd reason.

  4. Interesting note by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The LW SI will have a single processor. The previous LW had a dual processor, which frequently malfunctioned. Other changes include a more simplified data bus and a Linux-based operating system, as opposed to Windows. ?Evidence shows that Linux is more stable. We are moving in general to where the Army is going, to Linux-based OS,? said Gallop.

    I'll let other /.ers discuss the reliability of Linux over Windows, but an interesting note is that the original LW had 2 processors but the newer version has 1. The question is whether part of the reliability issues on 2 processors is due to Windows handling multiprocessors or simply the hassles of getting 2 processors to work together. The articles do not discuss in detail what really happened. Simplicity is however a good thing when it comes to reliability. It would be something if the stuck with a 2 processor design but made it work with Linux.

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    1. Re:Interesting note by child_of_mercy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For what they say they want to do processing power needn't be excessive.

      but heat buildup could be a real problem for reliablity.

      I'd imagine passive cooling would be the order of the day too as even quiet fans, heat pumps, peltiers, or whatever would add another point of failure.

      I'm just guessing but a less powerful (in every sense) set up might have made more sense for passively cooled mobile reliability.

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  5. Re:Bad Image by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I can just picture a bunch of pimply faced geeks with thick glasses joining the military to use super cool linux gadget.

    The US Armed Forces has been activley recruiting "pimply faced geeks with thick glasses" for....well since forever.

    My personal favortive was seening them setup shop at DEFCON. The CIA and FBI were also on hand doing a little recriuting. I'm sure they were also there in a differnt capacity.

  6. A bit more info (and pictures) of the Stryker by mrAgreeable · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stryker info

    And, of course:
    Stryper info

  7. Re:Scary,,, by Xabraxas · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well thank god that's the exception and not the rule, especially since NT may or may not have been responsible for crippling one of those cruisers back in 98 or 99. I have a friend who is an electrical engineer who worked on a project for the navy involving nuclear submarines. While on board he noticed the computers (which were running Windows) and thought it was odd that something so high tech would have computers running Windows on them. He asked the tech guy on board why they used Windows and the guy said it was only for sending email and other menial tasks for the crew members. The "real" computers, that actually did "real" work were all running UNIX.

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  8. Maybe they learned from the Navy's mistake by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All comments about the Stryker aside, maybe the Army's trying to learn something from the Navy. I'd like to think that leaving the cruiser USS Yorktown dead in the water for 2 1/2 hours due to a divide by zero error would motivate a switch from microsoft to something more robust. I'd also like to think asses of the dimbulbs in charge are still smarting from the cornholing courtmartial they received, but they probably got promoted instead.

  9. US Government & GPL? by dnobel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So I've got a question... Does the government release the source for what they're doing? When the modifications made to the source are pivotal to "national security," could the government potentially violate the GPL and attribute it to the greater good of the nation?

    How about this... how would any civilian even know they're violating the GPL? Access to these computers would presumably pretty tight. Just something to ponder over...

  10. Re:Heh... by cguerra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cool, now linux will get dirty with killing people...

  11. you underestimate the Army by wattersa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Army has an extensive selection process for new weapons, and they have stayed with the M16 series for 35 years now-- had something that better fits the needs of the troops and logistical requirements come along in the interim, you can bet that DoD would be using it. Developments in the 1980s with lasers and caseless ammunition (e.g. the HK G11 rifle) failed to improve on the performance of the M16 series, and DoD has continued to procure the M16 and more recently the M4 Carbine (a popular shortened version of the M16 issued to officers, tank crews, and troops other than front line riflemen). The current manufacturer of the M16 is FN Herstal in Belgium, and Colt is the manufacturer of the M4 Carbine. Both pieces are high-quality compared to a lot of junk in the private market. There are any number of manufacturers of M16/AR-15-type rifles, but Colt consistently brings the highest prices in private sales-- "if it's not a Colt, it's just a copy," as they say. While it is certainly possible to buy a better-quality AR-15 from a custom manufacturer, the Colt/FN combination offers DoD the best balance of cost, quality, and production capacity. There are developments under way now that may limit the useful life of currently issued weapons, but every rifle the DoD issues is designed to serve for many years in many sets of hands, with parts being replaced as needed. Check out your local Army surplus store and you'll see all manner of accessories, uniforms, and equipment that the DoD issues to its troops-- most of the *officially issued* stuff is high quality, while the aftermarket knockoffs are junk. You might be surprised at what gets issued...the Soldier Systems Center recently added the Vietnam-style Tomahawk to the Army infantryman's basic load.

  12. The most reliable weapon you will ever carry ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Drill Instructor: "This is the seven inch combat knife, affectionately known as the KABAR. It has zero electronics and zero moving parts. It is the most reliable weapon you will every carry."

    Guys, it ain't the OS. Environmental, maintenance, electronic, and embedded application issues are far more likely to cause problems. The OS issue may be a red herring. The article seems to indicate that the original Land Warrior dual CPU hardware was flaky and is being replaced by a piece of hardware from a different project with a single CPU, simplified bus, and is already running Linux. It's not clear if WinNT is really to blame. Recall the initial speculation regarding the Navy's USS Yorktown incident. Many gleefully blamed WinNT, eventually folks talked to the Chief Engineer on board at the time and the actual software developer and found out that it was not WinNT, it was a debug version of application software that was at fault.

    Personally, I'd wager that Linux was simply a better fit (size, overhead) for the "other" embedded application. Or maybe the team was more experience with Unix than Windows. Switching the Land Warrior over to Linux to maintain commonality with other systems would justify the change as well.

  13. So... what prevents a DDOS of soldiers? by digital+photo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    don't get me wrong, I love tech, but what prevents someone from DDOS's our soldiers?

    This network performs intel in both directions. What prevents the soldiers from either having their signal blocked or worse, having their communication systems overwhelmed by data flooding and/or debilitating noise from their headsets?

    [joke]Or worse yet... be distracted by streaming music and live porn video feeds..[/joke]