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Which Adware and Spyware are the Most Insidious?
the_dreadnought asks: "I was just asked today which adware and spyware are the most insidious by an acquaintance. He asked me if this stuff was really legal, or was it just not important enough for law enforcement to deal with? I know the porn stuff (not from experience,,,ok, from experience) that dials out to foreign countries is one of the more extreme examples, and Gator is well known, but if Slashdot readers could describe what adware and spyware they think is the sneakiest I would appreciate it. Also, any thoughts on whether some of this stuff is even legal, as it is almost certainly not ethical."
And the fun part is, if you (or the user) uncheck the New.Net software in MSCONFIG, it doesn't just stop New.Net from working... They simply stop being able to use the internet. At all. So then we have to pray that their version of New.Net has a working uninstaller, or we have to go through a huge manual uninstall that involves removing multiple registry keys. BTW, if anyone here gets this or other spyware that is difficult to remove, try using a program called HijackThis and "Fix" anything that looks out of the ordinary (use common sense... don't delete everything).
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Xupiter! Or what used to be Xupiter. In it's time it really wreaked havoc. Although going to their home page says they are out of business, ths link on their site shows that they may be up to something else soon
You can share some of the love for the Yomtobians here. These guys are right up there with Spamford Wallace and the Cantor/Siegel in the Internet Hall of Shame.
I'm sure there aren't many people who agree with me, but I personally consider RealOne to be spyware. It's intrusive and has lots of 'features' that are extremely difficult to turn off if you can turn them off at all, and it installs things without telling you. (For example, its 'message center' in the system tray that tells you to Buy RealNetworks Products(tm)(r)!0
Other than that, I don't really run into spyware much, but I find gator and its kin to be the most intrusive and common on the web.
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Should the purveyors of operating systems be prosecuted for allowing software to run on their loyal customers computers, without their knowledge or permission. I have never read a Microsoft EULA in it's entirety, does it mention that this is part of the agreement?
Without any doubt in my mind, the most evil form of spyware I am personally aware of is the infamous insidious Gator. Booo, hisss!!!! I am sure there are others, but I'm sure of this: there is a special place in hell for these folks.
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
Here are the removal programs...
Spybot
Adware
However, this begs the more interesting questions....
Is there *nix spyware?
Why not?
Davak
If somebody leaves a paper bag full of shit on your porch, rings the doorbell and runs away, does it really make any difference whether it's dog shit or cat shit?
gets my vote. Not only does it report your media files, but also any other apps you're running!
/me adjusts tinfoil hat...
Lop is by far the worse one ever... recently I convinced my cousin to switch over to Mozilla Firebird, but this article (http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/lop/) suggested that Mozilla isn't 100% safe, but is much easier to cure than hacking the registry (apparently it's just one line in the user_prefs). One sources said that it changes 47 registry keys... I also found that it randomly mutates into new filenames (actually it downloads newer versions), making it much harder for programs like Adaware to hunt it down.
Also, Lop disguises itself as a mp3 search toolbar. It also comes with newer versions of MSN Plus.
One more thing, some people are willing to profit from lop uninstaller, such as this one - http://www.onlinepcfix.com/spyware/Lop.htm - it contains some more information related to lop.
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One program that really annoys me is hotbar. The main reason so, it adjusts your MS Outlook settings all the time turning off using Word as your HTML editor. It also requires about 2 hours to remove the stupid program.
You remove it using AdAware and it will remove it for that user profile. Then login as another user it will actually install itself again. I logged on as each user to remove it and finally managed to get rid of it, so I thought. It has now appeared back and I know it wasnt the (l)users installing it again since I gave them a lecture about adware and installing crap on machines that I am in charge of.
If a program comes with a valid uninstall feature then I can tolerate it. When its a program thats a biatch to get rid of and keeps coming back I get really ticked off.
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How about Dell's SupportLink, which (and I have the TCPdumps to prove this) broadcasts your system's S/N, your MS Windows S/N, and several other tantalyzing bits of data back to Dell every 30 minutes or so?
Mind you, I love my Dell, but this pissed me off.
Jouster
The worst program I've ever seen is savenow..
It starts like 5 processes on boot (using between 50-75mb of ram and 20-25% cpu), sends all of your browsing habits somewhere else, and pops up porn, and other various ads randomly while using the computer. It is by far the worst spy/ad ware I've ever seen.
I don't use RealPlayer at all. If for some reason a website offers only RealPlayer videos I just do without. not a big deal for me. much more annoying, as you say, to remove the tentacles of Real after you've installed their "free" player.
-sweatyb
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
1. Ask Slashdot what sort of spyware is the worst. 2. Make this sort of spyware. 3. Profit!
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With absolute certainty, the worst adware is the threadjack /. post
Especially evil is the sig line advertisement.
I didn't think that spyware existed on MacOS X, but... my girlfriend came home from school last winter with something really odd. Internet Explorer would, no matter your user preferences, always go to a certain internet shopping site as a homepage. And would give you a barrage of popups constantly. I forget what shopping site, and back then I only had inbound firewalling, so I had no logs to check.
No toolbars installed. No plugins. I created a new user account for her, and that worked, so apparently it hadn't messed with the internals of the Internet Explorer.app (which seems like a vector they'll soon exploit). Crappy, though.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
The most insidious are the ones we don't even know about.
All these companies want to do is let you know about exciting new products and services that could entertain you, improve your life, and lengthen you genitalia.
Shutting out these innovators . . . well, it smacks of Communism, doesn't it? First TiVO, screening out the ads that broadcasters, our public servants, need to survive. Now this ungrateful attack on champions entreneurship and freedom of choice. Just a bunch of surly, consumer-choice hating Reds is what you all are.
I'm going to tell John Ashcroft what you've been up to so these SpyBot removers can be banned!
Stefan "scared to hell that someone out there might actually be thinking like this" Jones
I am not sure what this thing was, but its the biggest spyware I have seen. It came installed
on my laptop, and even after I installed Linux, it continued to exists. Everytime I forget to press
arrow key while bootup, it would boot into this spyware. Once I am there, I am given a illusion that
this thing looks very similiar to my Linux system, but everything was slow. There was an ambulance
(I think thats what they use for hijacking my laptop) which would keep yelling "Click here to update".
Then it did have something that looked like konqueror and it did show some internet sites. But I couldnt
open more than one tabs in it. Also, every 2.5 seconds it used to open up a colourful window offering
me stuff I did not want.
Then I got a message saying Cindy wants to talk to me. I didnt want to talk to Cindy, but it kept yelling
at me for not saying Hi to Cindy. Cindy was barely wearing any clothes (shudders)
I finally managed to get rid of this spyware, and everytime I think about it I shudder.
DO NOT PANIC
More and more applications are becoming intrusive, software such as Winamp, Windows Media Player and Kaaza all having annoying dialog boxes which popup each time you run them if they detect a newer version which you haven't yet downloaded. MSN actually refused to do anything until I upgraded it.
A large number of applications now have an online registration feature, they dont force you to do the registration, but they will bug the hell out of you if you choose not to.
Applications such as RealPlayer try and sign you up to email based newsletters(spam), why should I have to give my details (email address, home address and hobbies for example) to a company in exchange for using their software?
There seems to be a gradual increase in the invasiveness of software, currently most of these 'features' are still optional, but I dont think it will be long before many software companies start making things like software updates, online registration and having a valid email address mandatory.
Recently a client came in with a PC and said it was acting funny and suspected there was some kind of virus on it. A scan detected that there was several files that appeared to be infected with something called "Downloader-DZ" and, along with the links to porn sites (my favorite one being "Operation... SEX!") and the homepage being replaced with a porn page, there were SEVERAL dialers installed, and an attempt to just delete LiveGirls.exe did nothing... it later reapeared.
To put it short, I spent two hours running spyware removal software and manually editing out bad registry keys. A pain.
Oh... and PLEASE tell people they don't need that FUCKING SHIT like hotbar and weather bug either!! I'm sick of seeing that crap on people's PCs!
Some of it's not even broken ethically - if all they're doing with it is deciding which ads to show you, rather than tracking your every move online, especially if they didn't collect personal information about you, and if they didn't lie to you about what they were doing, and if they have a privacy policy that actually reflects what they're doing, that's ok. Not necessarily something you want to run, but ok. Some particular examples are the adware versions of Eudora and Opera.
European data collection laws may have terms that popular spyware violates, but usually the spyware companies aren't based in Europe so there's no legal jurisdiction. The data collection laws themselves are often effectively spyware - in return for "protecting" you, they're also subjecting you to possible audits of your machines because you *might* have personal information about other people on your computer or your PDA or your cell phone. (Sure, they mostly pretend they wouldn't do that to regular citizens, only businesses, but it's pretty much a selective enforcement thing. And you are registering all your computers with the data protection bureau, aren't you?) But at least it doesn't slow your machine down when they're not auditing you.
Bill Stewart
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... maybe this site would help:
http://www.spywareinfo.com/downloads.php
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
In Windows XP there is a feature called Software Restriction Policies (SRP, see here). This feature allows you to deny software to run based on Certificates (and Path, and Hash, and Zone for MSI). Since all the Spyware installers use signed Active-X "drive-by" installers this is an effective way to kill them. This, however, is an arms race. You need to collect the certs you want to invalidate first (upon first encounter of a spyware safe their cert into a file and disallow it). You can find the feature in Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Local Security Policy. Have fun!
I'm a end user admin on a small (300 machines ) network where both IE5 and Netscape4 are available ( and nothing else ) on WinNT4. I'm constantly fighting against end users that install spy/adware. I'm losing the battle and re-imaging machines on a daily basis... I'm looking for tips on reducing downtime due to this junk being installed. Any tips would be appreciated.
Has all the same problems as RealOne, plus the way it gets on your computer is really insidious... it's on there before you even open the box.
Basicly, any time a program wants to do something like put something in startup or modify winsock settings or stick files in windows system folder or modify the hosts file or dns settings or things like that, windows should come up with a nicely worded warning about why clicking "yes" is a bad idea.
Also, it should log all these actions so that for example, you can see which programs installed what settings (so you know what to remove)
And it should have something that allows sysadmins to turn off these things completly (just like how its possible to turn off control panel and other system things)
That way, when some idiot wants to install kazza, the system detects that kazza wants to install "privacyviolatingspyware.exe" to c:\windows\system\importantmsfile.exe" and add it to startup and denies the request.
What should be done when the request is deined (either because its completly switched off or because the user clicked "no") is that it should return for file i/o calls "cant open file" and for registry calls whatever the appropriate error is.
Or better yet, pretend to write to the registry or the file but dont actually do it.
Autopr0n, your sig is an especially insipid sort of inline advert, because your website is so terrible.
I would never think of advertising my ventures in a slashdot post.
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