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Who Needs Radio?

DragonMagic writes "MSNBC asks what many /.ers have been asking: Who needs the radio anymore? Rather, it goes on to really ask, who needs the RIAA anymore? With online music distribution sources, television, and the internet itself, how much longer will it be before the radio, and the RIAA, will be an obsolete means to promote artists?"

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  1. What? by marshac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do you assume that only music is played over the radio? I listen to NPR for hours every day on my daily drive to/from work.

    1. Re:What? by public_class_name_ex · · Score: 3, Funny


      But the convenience of placing a Windows XP capable computer in your glove box will bring you out of the dark ages caveman.

    2. Re:What? by sahonen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ditto. I've found that pretty much all the music on the radio sucks and NPR is the only thing worth listening to.

      Prairie Home Companion is t3h r0x0rz.

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    3. Re:What? by contrabassoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. As a radio producer, I feel the real "art" in radio is well beyond just spinning tunes. KPFA, NPR BBC PRI and many other entities are actively using radio as a communications medium, rather than just a corporate jukebox. There are great shows like "this american life" which are compelling and creative. I am hopeful that more and more of this type of radio production will help keep the medium current in the years to come.

      Radio has been around for 100 years. It's pretty amazing that TV, the internet, etc. haven't killed it. It's still enjoyed by hundreds of millions of people here in the US every day.

    4. Re:What? by OECD · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why do you assume that only music is played over the radio? I listen to NPR...

      Ditto (as it were.) I haven't listened to music in years. (Pay attention, RIAA.)

      If I owned a radio station, I'd cast my lot with talk radio. It's unlikely that people will be trading Rush* MP3s any time soon.

      *I was going to specify "Limbaugh", but then I realized that it's probably true either way.

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    5. Re:What? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do also.
      The key is how many people listen to music at home VS in there car. I bet most people listen to music in there car more hours of the day than in there homes.

      What I really think people are missing is the community aspect of radio. In many small towns the local radio station plays an imporant role. They cover the local high school sports, weather, and community affairs.
      They also serve an important role during emergencys.

      That is one of the reasons I hate the "Clear Channel" stations. They are nothing but repeaters for the mother station. I think it is time to put more restrictions on local stations. They should have a required amount of local program content.

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    6. Re:What? by jason0000042 · · Score: 4, Funny

      As another "What?" point, where do you think most people *hear* the music they download off of the internet?

      MTV2.

      And personally, I find out about stuff in print (both ink and electric) then look it up on the information superhighway.

      The radio sucks so bad that when I listen to it I want to bash stuff with hammers. The 'stuff' I want to bash is usually radios, and sometimes radio dj's.

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    7. Re:What? by Davak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The elderly really depend on radio.

      I have cared for many elderly people who would sit and listen to the world--their world--on the radio each day.

      Church services, local sports, weather, politics, school functions--these all are often played on small local radio stations... and the older generation feels that they can keep in touch this way.

      With their decreasing vision and difficulty manipulating the TV, the radio is an excellent friend to these people.

      I wonder if they'll be prying the keyboard out of my hands one day... as all the younger generations have their neural inplants. They'll all be slashdotting with direct neural connections and laughing how the mouse and keyboard will soon die.

      Davak

    8. Re:What? by slasher999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How soon we forget. Anyone remember how useless the Internet was on 11 September 2001? Internet communication still uses shared bandwidth and is typically a one to one communication. Each user opens a connection to a web server over a relatively small pipe and requests data. With radio the data is always there - just turn on the receiver. No bandwidth constraints, no waiting for requests to be processed, no /. effect, and most of the time it's backhoe-proof. Can't say that for most websites or the Internet infrastructure in general.

    9. Re:What? by stonecypher · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pardon me. The mass media was ridiculously behind, incorrect, and self-argumentative during 9/11. Slashdot was the only thing carrying more than one viewpoint, and it weathered the storm quite well.

      As far as vulnerable to backhoes, radio is far more susceptible to damage, being that a single broadcast point is quickly silenced. I'd be hard pressed to find a network more resistant to damage than IP.

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    10. Re:What? by laird · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I understand your point, but for me (living in Manhattan) the internet was the only decent communications medium on 9/11/01. The television was mindlessly looping 30 seconds of video (that I did _not_ want my kids to memorize), the telephones didn't work most of the time, the cell phone network was useless (and as a decent human being you'd want to avoid consuming either, so that emergency workers could get their jobs done) and the internet was JUST FINE. I could get info I needed, when I needed it, with no outages. I could email people, and receive email, just fine. So I spend the next few days playing in the park with my kids and using the internet for communication -- quite pleasant, actually, except for everything smelling like burnt concrete, and feeling jumpy every time a fighter plane circled the city (which was every few minutes).

    11. Re:What? by McDutchie · · Score: 4, Insightful
      How soon we forget. Anyone remember how useless the Internet was on 11 September 2001?
      No, I remember how useless mainstream news websites were on 11 September 2001. The Internet was working as well as always, and mirror sites were springing up all over the place. IRC and e-mail were also working just fine. The Internet was extremely useful indeed, if you just bothered to look beyond the mainstream web. Remember, Internet != WWW.
    12. Re:What? by Our+Man+In+Redmond · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's not entirely correct. Actually, there were three classes of stations: clear channels, regionals, and locals. I don't think there was an "odd-even" split, based on a few of the channels I can remember off the top of my head: KIRO is at 710, KSL at 1160, KGO 810, WOI 640, KMOX 1120, and CBR 1010 which was right next to clear channel KOMO 1000. (Canadians used the same general band plan as the US; Mexico sort of went its own way, at least as far as transmitter power was concerned.)

      The locals were (and are) assigned to seven "graveyard" frequencies in the upper portions of the AM band and limited to 1000 watts of power. Try tuning in 1490 some night; unless you have a local station there, it's an unintelligible jumble. The regionals got what was left, which to be honest was quite a bit.

      As for three-letter IDs, that wasn't always the case either. The earliest commercial station was Pittsburgh's KDKA, for instance. Originally (we're talking 1910s here) shore stations communicating with ships were given three-letter calls, but eventually broadcast stations started to ask for them, sometimes to fit their parent companies' whims. WGN, for example, was supposed to stand for World's Greatest Newspaper (it was owned by the Chicago Tribune), and WLS (World's Largest Store) was owned by Sears.

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  2. Erm... a lot of people by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone who doesn't have fast internet access or a television (or who doesn't want to pay for cable television).
    Anyone who likes to camp and take a $5 transistor radio along, rather than lug a satellite uplink system for online-access.
    Anyone who drives, and likes to have music or blather going while doing it (driving, that is).

    In short, a LOT of people.

  3. Streaming audio in my car by Damiano · · Score: 5, Funny

    The problem is that the 25 mile long ethernet cable running to my car gets tangled too easy.

  4. I love radio by matt_morgan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or, to be more specific, I love a few radio stations. WFMU (wfmu.org; 91.1 in the NYC/NJ area), KFJC, a few other great stations. The radio we don't need is all the monopolized Clear Channel stations. We all know they suck. But great, personal, free-form radio is still out there, and with web streaming is thankfully more available than ever. Maybe I'm crazy, but I like to be surprised by what I like once in a while. Without WFMU, I'd be listening to the same stuff over and over. If you're tired of radio, you're listening to the wrong stations.

  5. Is it just me ... by dabooda · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... or did everyone in the world become a computer user/music downloader over night?

    Not everyone has a PC and not everyone get's their taste of new music from the interent.

    In fact I would say that most people hear music on the radio then either buy the CD or download the mp3.

    I doubt that services iTunes will make radio stations disappear ...

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  6. npr by asv108 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe I just starting to get old, but NPR is a good way to stay abreast of the latest news during my daily commute and provides some sanity, compared to TV news stations like FoxNews. As for commercial radio, besides to occasional classic rock channel, I've found that local college radio has the best offerings.

  7. Re:Well... by pi+eater · · Score: 3, Funny

    IMO the RIAA should be turned into a reality tv show on which the executives slowly get voted off until none are left.

    geek wear

  8. Driving? by TamMan2000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How does that change the question? Can't you theoretically get talk radio content over, say, the Internet?

    While driving?

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  9. Radio by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Radio will be used for a long long time to come.

    Ever try to watch TV without using your eyes? It is a visual medium. Most TV shows are unexciting and moronic without the visuals. Try this the next time you watch tv, tape your eyes shut, and just listen. How long before you are bored.

    Radio, requires more imagination, more intellegence, and is better stimulation for the brain. Leftwingers have NPR, Rightwingers have Rush (well not at the moment).

    Try making sense of beer commercials while blind. "And twins!". Lame. And don't get me started on Porn. What is the point of THAT if you are blind?

    You see TV requires more attention while using less brain. Radio requires LESS attention while using MORE brain. Ever try taking apart an engine while watching TV?

    I think you get the picture.

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  10. Independent radio can still be good by LucasMedaffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Almost every university campus has an independent radio station where almost anybody can get airtime for a few hours, and say/play what they want. I know that very few people tune in, but I really enjoy it. You get a very eclectic collection of music, and usually some "interesting" individuals. I don't think radio will ever die, even the commercial stations, mostly due to car drivers and the ability to hear music that you didn't have to actively search out, even if the music is only being played because RIAA lined that radio station's coffers.

  11. Translated for the America-Impaired by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those Slashdotters from foreign lands just tuning in:

    NPR is a good way to stay abreast of the latest news during my daily commute and provides some sanity, compared to TV news stations like FoxNews.

    NPR is left wing (although it seems middle-of-the-road to liberals). Fox News is right wing (although it seems middle-of-the-road to conservatives.) NPR is commercial-free, being underwritten by corporations, donations, and tax dollars (to the great dismay of conservatives). Fox is a commercial enterprise owned by Murdoch and the top-rated newschannel on cable/satellite (to the great dismay of liberals).

    Now, draw up sides, and... engage!

    1. Re:Translated for the America-Impaired by cyril3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NPR is left-wing only if you believe that "if you are not with us, you are against us"

    2. Re:Translated for the America-Impaired by Inebrius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A suicide bomber is someone that blows themself up.

      A homicide bomber is someone that blows themself up with the intent of blowing others up.

      If someone shoots a bunch of people and then shoots themself, do you call it a mass suicide or murder?

      To me, it's obvious. I don't know why the rest of the news media doesn't recognize the obvious.

    3. Re:Translated for the America-Impaired by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "NPR is left wing (although it seems middle-of-the-road to liberals)."

      Um... I'm "conservative" by most peoples' reckonings. I'm pro gun rights, pro states rights, I like the idea of free trade, support the continuing mission in Iraq, and I even voted for Bush in '00 (although I'll probably be voting against Ashcroft next year). About the only thing I'm not is a member of the GOP (political parites... blech...). But I can't stand Fox News and routinely rely on NPR for all my news above all other options.

      If NPR is so "left-leaning," there'd be a lot more opinion-based commentary, kind of like Fox News. NPR is about the only place where you can find a news group that routinely reads letters over the air from dissenting listeners, and they don't even comment on/reply to/belittle those.

      About the only "left" part of public radio is the funding scheme. But even then, I've never heard programming on a public radio station underwritten by a labor group.

  12. NPR, blackouts, conservative shills by spoonyfork · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Hey, I'm one of the millions that listen to NPR during the day, mostly to and from work.

    In case you weren't affected by the GREAT FEARSOME BLACKOUT OF 2003 , those of us who were crowded around radios to get news.

    Don't forget the 20 million so-called "dittoheads" that hang on Rush's every word every day. Republican shill talk radio has never been so popular (depending on where you read your stats).

    There's big money in radio and the guy who owns it is raking it in.

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  13. I listen to my local independent radio station by ikewillis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Clear Channel stations are certainly not worth listening to. I used to think local call-in contests were bad enough, but Clear Channel has made them nationwide. Combine this with their highly censored playlists, their blind dedication to the war in Iraq coupled with sensationalist misreporting (a Clear Channel station here reported four buried vans in the desert as "Vindication for Bush: underground chemical weapons Labs were found today in Iraq") and their propensity for hiring the most moronic, annoying DJs possible, and you have the recipe for a radio station I never want to listen to. Contrast this with our local independent station, 99.5. They don't have call-in contests, you simply sign up as a "community member" of their station and they randomly give away concert tickets. They play an enormous variety of music, and it's rare to hear the same song played more than once in a single month. They have knowledgable DJs who discuss things you never knew about the music they play in a calm, conversational manner so it's pleasant to listen to. I conclude by saying, in the words of Frank Zappa, "KILL UGLY RADIO"

  14. talk on the radio by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    (I hope this post goes through. I've gotten that damn 500 internal server error something like 30 times on this one post.)

    For sure. News stations that feature only news all the time are a godsend when commuting, and important in emergencies as well.

    Remember The Blackout? I was at work patching the office for the Blaster worm when the lights went out. If it wasn't for radio and other wireless communication, we would have had no idea wtf was going on. Thankfully radio stations with reserve power managed to transmit so everyone could get into the car or use battery powered tranceivers to get the news updates.

    I used to drive to and from Toronto all the time across a strech of the 401 and if it wasn't for 680 news I would have gotten into a lot of traffic jams.

    Thus radio is still needed because it is an important way of disseminating information quickly, especially when only battery or small generator power is available.

  15. During the most recent great blackout. . . by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (yes, I'm old enough to remember more than one) everything failed. My internet connection went down, my TV went black, my electric lights went out ( my oil lamps chugged along like always).

    My portable radio worked like a charm and the emergency generators the radio stations employ kept them on the air.

    Promoting RIAA "stars" is hardly the only use for radio. In fact, small radio stations are still the most used medium for promoting obscure music unaligned with the RIAA, why do you think they oppose the proliferation of small neighborhood radio stations?

    Radio is one of the true modern marvels, its usefulness is far from past.

    KFG

  16. Re:Well... by inode_buddha · · Score: 3, Funny
    "Who needs radio anymore?"

    How about dialup users like me?

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  17. pacifica radio is great! by rjnagle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, it's a bit unfair to tout noncommercial radio on this discussion. But Pacifica Radio is full of fresh surprising viewpoints, and my local Houston affiliate kpft.org actually plays great music. It gives you a sense of how fun dj's used to be.

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  18. Bogus claim of submitter by LordSah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rather, it goes on to really ask, who needs the RIAA anymore?

    No, it doesn't. If the the submitter had read the article without his anti-RIAA glasses on, he would've realized that the article just questions the relevance of radio in a world dominated by the internet and visual media.

    The article specifically mentions Kelly Clarkson and Clay Aiken. Kelly received quite a bit of radio play, while Clay was seldom heard on the airwaves but still outsold Ms. Clarkson. Quote:
    But the heir to her throne, runner-up but reigning king, Clay Aiken, didn't have as much luck with radio. Deejays across the country mocked him, didn't take him seriously, and often refused to play his music. Well the joke just might be on them.
    Despite little radio play, Aiken's debut album went double platinum in its first week of release, out-selling Clarkson's album by a landslide. Aiken's success serves as a shining example of the power television now has over the music industry, and the arguably insignificant power radio has these days.
    (emphasis mine)

    This article addresses radio's lessened impact on the recording industry, and not the recording industry's impact on society.

  19. Idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    NPR is NOT "left wing". Never has been, and I've been listening for almost 20 years. If they seem to have a political slant, it's because the shows and views presented are usually in tune with the sensibilities of academics and artists and sometimes geeks even.

    Yeah, three groups that vote overwhelmingly liberal. I hope that's a troll, and that you're not actually as stupid as you seem.

  20. who give the best info by gumbi+west · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The Problem here is that NPR listeners are well informed and Fox News listeners are not well informed.

    Check out For example, according to the report (pp 13) 67 percent of Fox News listeners think there is an Al-Qauda Iraq link. only 16% of NPR-PBS listeners/watchers had the same wrong idea. If you think that there was such a link you may care to kno that the President of the United States said there was no evidence of any such link. All right, mod me down as not conservative now.