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A Gator By Any Other Name

MFS! writes "CNet reports that Gator, everyone's favorite ad software, is changing its name to Claria. Gator's CEO says "We feel that the Claria Corporation name will allow us to better communicate the expanding breadth of offerings that we provide to consumers and advertisers." He fails to mention what "Claria" is supposed to mean or how it accomplishes this goal, but it seems that the name change may be no more than an attempt to distance the company from a moniker which has become involved in allegations of spyware."

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  1. Gator is evil by nucal · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... but I'd be happy to install Claria.

    1. Re:Gator is evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      127.0.0.1 localhost
      127.0.0.1 ads.osdn.com
      127.0.0.1 claria.com
      127.0.0.1 gator.com

      nuff said.

      - Moomin

    2. Re:Gator is evil by anakin357 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I work at a rather large ISP, and strangely enough, when there is obvious adware installed, when I tell them it's downloading advertisements and such, they actually beleive the ads are coming from websites they visit (sometimes ours).

      I actually had someone the other day accuse our homepage of popping up pornographic advertisements. The very first thing out of my mouth was, "Have you installed KaZaa?"

      He reluctantly agreed, and said "Oh, so it's KaZaa?"

      "Yep, you need to get rid of that junk"...

      Here's my point: People are stupid. Changing their name once every couple years lets them stay ahead of the curve, because remember, Chrismas is coming, and we'll have another ~5-10 million (guessing here) computer users on the internet. When a screen pops up saying would you like to syncronize your time, keep a calendar, be able to see the current weather conditions, etc etc, they think: "Well wouldn't that be cool?"

      The answer is no.

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  2. The real question is: by bl1st3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How long will it be before they start suing people for calling Claria spyware? Its inevitable. Thats what the software does. Noone wants to be advertised at, especially without their knowledge on their own computer.

    We put up with commercials in TV because a TV is relatively cheap. But when most users pay 2000+$ for their computer, and then have programs installed without their knowledge with other programs, then of course the terms will be created.

    Claria == Spyware (now im the first to say it)

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    1. Re:The real question is: by Davak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Quote from their page...

      Claria Offers Multiple GAIN Network Ad Vehicles To Meet Your Campaign Objectives:

      Instant Message Sliders
      Instant Message Pop Ups
      Pop Unders
      Tag-A-Long Sliders
      Flash and Rich Media


      Okay, they attack using instant messaging, sliders, and pop under windows.

      Spyware or not--this guys are using advertising methods that they are evil.

    2. Re:The real question is: by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Gator is more like telemarketing than tv commercials. If I am paying for internet access they have no legal right to hijack my internet connection just to bombard me with ads.


      Gator is basically just malware like any other virus or trojan. Just because a company produces it and claims it has a valid purpose doesn't make it any less evil. The CDC started claiming BackOrifice2k was a remote administration tool, but that didn't make it any less frustrating to find someone had compromised your system and installed it on there without your knowledge to take control of your machine.

      Everyone whose computer I have ever found Gator (and tons of other spyware) on has had no idea what it does or how they installed it. They click on some link (these are teenagers for example.. they're click happy) and suddenly they have a wonderful new time syncing app or a datebook! Great right? Well, until their computer eventually slows to a halt and starts crashing, personal information is spewed out across the Internet without their consent, and/or their computer is used as some kind of distributed cracking node without their knowledge. McAfee, Symantec and others need to be forced to accept that malware like Gator IS a virus and needs to be cleaned from a system. We shouldn't have to use yet another malware cleaner like Adaware to get rid of it. If Gator and other spyware made it VERY clear they were installed and cooperated 100% with the add/remove programs in Win2k to completely remove themselves and ALL their components when you remove them then I wouldn't have such a huge issue with shareware software installing it. It's an annoyance at that point, but easily remedied like having an AOL icon created on your desktop.

    3. Re:The real question is: by jrumney · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Ad banners on websites that are placed there by the website owner are like TV advertising. In both cases, the advertising revenue is paying for content which you would otherwise have to pay for (or pay more for). Gator is something else entirely. There is no up side to Gator advertising. You don't get any free content in return. All the ad revenue goes straight into Gator/Claria's pocket.

      Maybe they are right about it not being spyware (who knows what information it is sending back, but maybe it is none), but it is certainly SPAMware.

  3. Translation by Davak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We feel that the Claria Corporation name will allow us to better communicate the expanding breadth of offerings that we provide to consumers and advertisers."

    Translation: "We feel that changing your name will allow us to continue our evil actions under a different alias... and continue to profit."

    1. Re:Translation by KDan · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or better:

      "We feel that the numerous clueless users whose cluelessness we take advantage of have started to become aware that 'Gator' is something they don't want on their machines so we are changing our name to confuse them and keep ahead of them."

      Next names lined up: Cuddly-Web, Patriot, Love, Upgrade, MS Windows Update, iloveyou.exe. Daniel

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    2. Re:Translation by blowdart · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clearly
      litigous
      and
      rotten
      internet
      avertisers

  4. A gator's got teeth by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 5, Funny

    It likes to bite. You go down to the watering hole and it jumps up and grabs you by the neck and forces you to install it.

    Claria is a social disease. You get it by going to websites that specialize in doing dirty things. Those who get it are usually unaware that they have it, and they are no doubt not using virus protection.

  5. Minor correction... by DjMd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The CEO said "We feel that the Claria Corporation name will allow us to better communicate the expanding breadth of offerings that we provide to consumers and advertisers"...
    Instead of communicate he ment to say obfuscate. Its an understandable mistake...

    Crap by and another name still sticks to the bottom of your shoe and smells bad...


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  6. Standard procedure by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Excellent trick, tried by Monsanto when they were grilled for producing genetically hacked foods, favoured by nuclear power stations when they have bad leaks, and above all by tin-pot dictators who think that calling their ruined country by a new name will attract a new generation of foreign investors.

    Crap is crap by any name. This kind of maneouver just confirms that they feel they have something to hide.

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  7. Changing Names by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Makes me think of how Philip Morris changed its name to Altria (Sounds like they are now altruistic) or how Palladium was changed to Next Generations Secure Computing Platform Whatever. (Sounds like they are trying to make your computer safe)

    They don't change the business, they just try to run from their (well deserved) reputation.

  8. Never name your company the same as your product by Brento · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He fails to mention what "Claria" is supposed to mean or how it accomplishes this goal

    It just illustrates why you don't name your company after a single product line. If that product turns out to have bad side effects (like cancer or flipping SUV's over) then you need to change the company name so prospective investors and customers don't think it's the only thing you do.

    Did you know Bridgestone is the parent company of Firestone? Of course you didn't. And while you would probably think twice about buying a Firestone tire for your SUV (even though it was only one model of tire involved out of Firestone's entire lineup), you wouldn't think twice about putting on a Bridgestone tire.

    Likewise, if Gator wanted to come out with a second product tomorrow, they couldn't - because who would install Gator Calculator or whatever? Nobody. But who would install Claria Calculator? The same millions of users who installed Gator.

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  9. Claria is the name of my ex-wife by armando_wall · · Score: 5, Funny


    She used to read my mail without my consent.

  10. Claria? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe "Chlamydia" would be a more appropriate name..

    Hey man, I just installed Chlamydia!
    Can you get rid of it?
    I dunno, I think I gotta go see an expert.

  11. In the spirit of Googleism by Ratface · · Score: 5, Funny

    Top hits for "Claria is" on Google...

    Claria is looking for talented web developer with strong design and Java development and skills.

    Claria is a top quality commercial headset at a very reasonable price.

    Claria is supposed to be adorable but..ehm...please, be kind...give her back her bunny doll?

    Claria is a trademark of Claria.

    Claria is generally considered one of the best universities in the world

    Claria is a brown eyed, brown haired, rather voluptuous 27 year old woman of average height.

    Claria is the leading strategic hiring partner for technology start-ups

    claria (TM) is a registered trademark of Claria Headsets

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  12. Tyres by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't forget, though, that there really wasn't anything wrong with the Firestone tyres. Ford stupidly told customers to run at absurdly low pressures to improve the stability of a badly-designed vehicle, and since the tyres were being used out of spec, they failed. Everyone knows blowouts are caused by running on soft tyres (or they should).

    I run Firestone tyres on one of my Citroens, because they are the closest to the proper Michelin X tyres (which aren't made in 145SR15 any more). Never had a problem with them.

  13. Re:So when does America change its name? by KDan · · Score: 4, Funny

    New Bush initiative:

    "Make no mistake, it is without any misunderestimation that I have decided that the great country that is America needs a new name. We need a name that will better symbolise the warmth and happiness that we spread throughout the world. After much thinking, we have come up with the name 'Cuddles'. Starting on January 1st, the United States of America shall simply be known as 'Cuddles'."

    Daniel

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  14. I'm surprised . . . by Momomoto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That Clarica hasn't complained about Gator's new name being so similar to theirs.

    If I were in the life insurance business you'd better believe I wouldn't want my name associated with something so malicious as spyware.

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  15. I just mailed claria.co.uk the headphone company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And asked them nicely to investigate any legal avenues they might have in relation to challenging gator. They may or may not react, but I think we should support them if they decide to take action. Certainly this story should be covered, to give them something to distinguish themselves from a potential PR disaster.... so Slashdot articles could send traffic their way. But only if they have the balls to stand up to these spyware bastards... or at least speak out against them.

    I feel it is the least we can do to help some small company which will no doubt have to change it's name because of all this.

    It's sad really. Much is ill in the world.

  16. The real problem by t0ny · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As the parent post said, Gator/Claria is essentially forcing unwanted advertising down the throats of computer users.

    Another casualty is performance: these spyware programs arent just tracking your usage and pushing advertising, they are consuming finite computer resources in the form of processing power, networking bandwidth, and memory space.

    I have seen firsthand what all of these programs do to a corporate environment, and it is just as bad (if not worse) than a virus. The difference between a virus and spyware is that the former can kill or corrupt your computer, while the latter weakens and sufficates it.

    Since these computers have no protection against the spyware, this causes many effects- all of which bleed resources from the company.

    1) degraded computer performance: the worker now has to work slower

    2) increased network bandwidth consumtion: this degrades network performance for the entire company, as well as again consuming an ever-growning share of a finite resource (WAN bandwidth)

    3) increased computer support: the time and expense involved in having somebody diagnose and fix the problem effecting the client computer(s)

    Once you start trying impliment a solution, a company is forced to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of man-hours planning and implimenting a solution to stop all the spyware.

    I would encourage companies to start taking legal action against these spyware companies. What they are doing is every bit as bad and immoral as releasing computer viruses into the wild.

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  17. Overflow them! by rabalde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They install a program on your machine that sends data over your connection about your behavior, right?. So, why don't we give them what they're are asking for? Why don't develop a program to send fake data to the server that gator is connecting to? If the data is credible (=random but correct), they have a mountain of crap data about users ... and voila, their business plan is useless

  18. Just like Palladium by Quizo69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Hmmm, this Palladium of ours seems to be garnering a lot of bad press lately. I know, we'll call it NGSCB so no one will know what it really does!!" - Microsoft stooge.

    "Man, this Total Information Awareness idea of ours seems to be upsetting those pesky privacy advocates. I know, we'll call it Terrorism Information Awareness, then if the privacy advocates cry foul we can call them unpatriotic and lock them up at Guantanamo." - John Poindexter.

    Face it people, when a company/organisation changes the name of something to obfuscate it's true intentions, you know it's a bad thing.

    I say play them at their own game. Just call spyware "Clariaware" from now on.

    Quizo69

  19. Two can play that game. Three even. by babbage · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Gator^H^H^H^H^HClaria,

    Gator^H^H^H^H^HClaria is Spyware, you fuckers. Spyware. Spyware. Spyware.

    Please send me a nastygram. My career is stalled, and I could really use the publicity.

    Love,

    Wil Wheaton ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Chris Devers

    Linux/OSX weenie who doesn't even use your crappy SPYware.

    PS- It's spyware.

  20. Better name by glwtta · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they wanted better market perception, should've just changed their name to Philip Morris.

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  21. We need a goddamn fix and there's money in it by 0x0d0a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Currently, there are a couple vendors that provide "remote, automated guru service". Symantec and a few antivirus vendors look for malware using a series of tests devised and constantly updated by experts, and then applied to many, many computers.

    Ad-Aware searches for spyware and adware.

    Windows Update searches for updates to Microsoft software.

    There are websites that will scan your computer for basic remote security holes.

    The problem is that there is a growing number of components that do automated guru tasks, because there isn't enough gurus, enough time, or enough money to take a guru out to each house or even work each machine remotely. People don't need to know about each field, as a result, but *do* need to be aware that such software is necessary in each field and run it/buy it/whatnot. What's needed is some (probably commercial and relatively inexpensive) comprehensive "Complete Computer Maintenance Service". It'd do automated virus checking (might do a partnership with Symantec to use their engine), look for spyware/adware, provide updates from *all* software vendors, warn about security issues with your current setup, look for common misconfigurations, warn about discontinued software that you're still using, provide simple flowchart based troubleshooting and possibly fix-it wizards (Outlook doesn't work), etc. The big benefit is that currently almost all home machines are unadministered, and this could be done quite cheaply, because it scales. Hell, OEMs could bundle service like this.

    The important thing is that each machine must *never* require actual individual attention from a human being, or else costs shoot up (though perhaps optional commercial phone support could provided as a separate service). The base service should be on the order of $10/month at most. It'd keep IT costs down and keep small businesses and home systems much more maintained than they are now.

    My suggestions here were somewhat Windows-centric, mostly because most current Linux folks *need* someone else administering their box, but that will probably change as well.

    This is also something that "Joe Sixpack" publications like PC World could easily review ("service foo caught more problems on our ten test machines that service bar did").

    Finally, a corporate version of this service could also be sold to even places that can afford in-house IT staff (one that pops up its reports on a centralized control machine in an IT center). That makes a *good* first pass for IT personnel (so they don't blow time on ordinary tasks), helps keep up on problems with specific software that no single IT guy can possibly keep up on, and makes the service money.

  22. Exactly why we need a stronger term than SPYware by MikShapi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And this is why this sort of software should be called RAPEware.

    Last I checked, violating someone without his/her consent, against his will, and giving him no ability to stop it when he asks to is called RAPE in the English language.
    I see no reason why the term cannot apply to one's computer.

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  23. Why do Windows users get all of the ads?!?! by naelurec · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why is it that Claria only supports Windows?!! Am I, a FreeBSD user not worthy of being advertised to? No Gator, no popups in Mozilla .. Well .. atleast I still have my spam email..

  24. Claria instantly reminded me of this name.. by Infonaut · · Score: 4, Funny
    Chlamydia.

    Come to think of it, so did the name Gator.

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  25. Dave Barry said it best: by Brett+Glass · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Changing names is a sound idea, an idea based on the scientific principle that underlies the field of marketing, which is: People are stupid. Marketing experts know that if you call something by a different name, people will believe it's a different thing.

    That's how "undertakers" became "funeral directors." That's how "trailers" became "manufactured housing." That's how "We're putting you on hold for the next decade" became "Your call is important to us."

    --Dave Barry