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Gaming Communities Cause Of TV Ratings Decline?

Bendebecker writes "We all know about the falling popularity of television this season, but Mike Malone of ABC News has a very interesting viewpoint on why this is happening. He seems to think that the growing popularity of online gaming communities (the example he gives is Counter-Strike) are causing the decline, which is particularly noticeable among the young male demographic."

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  1. Occam's Razor by mad_dog3283 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about blaming the fact that TV shows are just sucking lately?

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  2. It's the programming by dauvis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While programs like EQ, DAoC, Counter Strike, etc... are probably a part of the reason, another reason is because the current programming sucks. Most of the shows that they seem to be targeting that age range seem, to me, be a bunch of teen-aged soap operas (OC comes to mind).

    I guess they figured that if it worked for Beverly Hill 90210, it should work now. With the Internet as it is today, people are expecting a more interactive form of entertainment. When I get home, I want instant gratification. I don't want to wait until the predetermined date and time to watch a show when I can load up DAoC and have fun.

    1. Re:It's the programming by JofCoRe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      don't want to wait until the predetermined date and time to watch a show when I can load up DAoC and have fun.

      one word: TiVo

      changes television viewing forever :)

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  3. Of course by DarkBlackFox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course most people will choose gaming/computers/internet over TV. Computing/gaming has become the fabled "interactive TV," whereby the viewer is in complete control of the content he/she sees. With television, you sit there and watch monsters destroy the city, or cops catch bad guys. With games, you are in control of everything that happens, which provides a much more immersive experience than merely absorbing what others want you to see. Therefore it comes as no surprise TV ratings are declining in favor of gamedom.

    Things like Video On Demand are getting closer to consumer control, but until there are TV ws where you can choose the paths the characters take, people will play games.

  4. New way of marketing? by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe in the future games would be free and new games would come out with the frequency of new TV shows. Ads would be places between rounds or something. Bad games don't get renew and good games get improved to keep the audience interested. We all know games like Everquest are way more addictive than TV. Market waiting to be tapped?

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  5. Re:Crap? by Mikeytsi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm at a point now myself where the only channels I watch are Discovery, Comedy Central, Spike, and Cartoon Network. Between the four of those there's more then enough interesting programming to keep me entertained. If there's nothing on them, it's time to fire up the PC or console games, or watch a DVD.

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  6. Conclusion? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How the hell did they draw that conclusion? Seriously, even more interesting is how do they calculate viewers? Or better still, the popularity of a show?

    I was reading a few months back that this season is the best in 10+ years, etc... Who the hell came to that conclusion, and based on what data? There is only one single new show I like (Las Vegas, on NBC), and even that is just better than average, not amazing, all the other stuff on primetime is crap! And all networks (FTA or Cable/Sat only) are simply taking an existing show and putting it back out with a new name, and new cast. Fox's OC is 90210 rehashed, Countless Reality shows, etc... even Discovery and TLC are dropping to new lows... How many Monster 'fill in the blank' shows can they produce... it's novel if it's a single show, not when it's 10.

    I'm willing to bet that if I went to a major city, and asked 100 random people in a shopping mall to rate this season's TV, it wouldn't come close to the reported 'amazing new season, best in 10 years' crap that came from all the previews in August. Of course viewing is at a record low, that's obvious, the fact that execs are surprised and need to find something to blame is surprising... There is only so long that you can keep telling yourself it's not shit, but eventually you do taste it... These execs are dumber than I though possible.

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  7. "Interactive" by Fastball · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Maybe, but after playing a few MMOGs, I'm looking to fall back to the less stressful world of single-player games. You remember? With AI and some plot instead of some 16-year old kid calling you a "fucking noob" because you didn't execute a manuever like you had been playing 23 hours each day for the last two years?

    It took me a long time, but I'm coming to grips that games are becoming too much like reality. Honestly, when I get home, I don't want to interact with anybody. I want to disconnect, and these MMOGs aren't helping me.

  8. Re:Crap? by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I RTFA. It says that gaming and the online experience, even that not attached to gaming, is a more compelling experience than watching TV.

    In other words, comparitively, TV is crap.

    I'd point out that because of the biased point of view of the article (this does not mean bad, simply that their interest if very specific) they don't really understand what's going on anyway, as most of the media doesn't.

    For instance, there is strong implication that the article doesn't really have anything to so with me, a physicist, businessman, family oriented guy of 46 who happens to work with computers. The sort of guy like the author says "wouldn't be interested in Counter Strike." And I suppose he'd right. I'm into AoE, Red Baron 3D, Grand Prix Legends and NASCAR, and I'm looking into what sort of upgrades I'd have to make to run IL-2 Sturmovik properly.

    I not only game online several hours a week but take my Grand Prix Legends racing just as seriously as do people who participate in Karting or Formula Ford. As far as I'm concerned marginalizing such serious computer gaming is just as daft as marginalinzing Wimbeldon, The PGA or the World Cup would be. They're all just "games," and all of them only draw their import from the fact that people give them import.

    I also watch a fair amount of TV, often while I'm gaming, so if the content is compelling the one does not necessarily prclude the other. But I'm one of those guys that Nielson says "doesn't count," because I can't even remember the last time I watched a network show. C-Span, The Science Channel, Discovery (when they're not pretending that UFOs and Jesus are science), TLC (when they're not pretending that dating reality shows are educational), National Geographic, The Comedy Channel, Sci-Fi, BBC America. . . more good stuff on there in a few hours than all the networks put together broadcast in a month.

    Nielson needs to recognize people like me, so do the networks.

    Put on good shit and I'll watch it, even though I spend hours a day online.

    KFG

  9. Why TV Sucks Ass by dolo666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Commercials
    How many ads are in games? ZERO.

    Sneaky Networks ... that crank up the volume on breaks.

    Fox Network Admins
    Last year Boston Public was milked for all it was worth. They skimped on it, put off the premier till like November. This year they learned and had the premier early on. Fox ruined Dark Angel, too, by cutting the budget and playing the surprise game.

    The Surprise Game
    Guess what? Your show isn't on tonite because we have this *insert stupid special or network excuse*. Stick to the fucking schedule or fuck off I'm playing Quake.

    Stupidity
    How many shows started off in the first year with a bang but lost all credability in the second year? Dark Angel. Boston Public. Ally McBeal. Shit, most of the shows being launched are totally stupid, except for a couple. Enterprise was stupid in the first year, but at least now it's getting really good, imho.

    Repitition
    Keep playing all the same shows on cable or sat and you get a lot of bored viewers who just tune out. Re-runs and double-ups are a sleeping networks answer to bad planning and dwindling budgets. Problem is, it's the cause and the some idiots at the networks think it's the answer -- at the same time!

    The Video Game Market is Flooded
    There are so many titles out right now for video games. It's the best it has ever been, and even while every game is like a varriant of about five archetypes, at least there is a variety that hasn't been there before, among copy-cats. The games that will stick out are going to break ground, no questions asked.

    DooM 3
    When DooM 3 comes out, who will want to watch TV at all? The DooM 3 experience is like watching TV or a film, but controlling the characters and propelling the storyline. Id Software is setting the bar for the new video games, and that can only mean one thing. We are aiming toward an eventual fusion between film and video game, that brings them closer than they have ever been. People are going to say FUCK commercials, give me more action and less bullshit. Stop wasting my time.

    It's my money... I'll always spend it on the number one value. To me, that is GAMES.

    The shows that really have mastered how to create an experience worthy of my time are CSI and CSI Miami. They know quality, and they will build loyalty of an audience as along as they keep giving us what we come to see... quality.

  10. Taking responsibility by Theatetus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So now music, movies, and television are blaming file-trading, text-messaging, and gaming, respectively, for their drop in ratings.

    Funny how none of the industry wonks are suggesting the obvious answer, that all three industries' ratings are going down because they are dishing out awful, unmitigated shit season after season.

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  11. Same thing with CDs? by ScarletEmerald · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of the claims of dropping CD sales (here and here). Maybe this has the same cause as the drop in TV viewing? A lot of the same potential reasons seem to apply, at least.

  12. Cable/dish is more user friendly by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I haven't watched "network" tv in almost a year...if anything is good it show up next season on one of the syndicated "second run" channels.

    I find the "second run" stations [TNT, WGN, WB, and UPN] to do a much better job at making the good shows available. I'm never around for first-run stuff any more...I work second shift, so it's get a TiVo or you'd better show it again when I'm home! The other good thing about the "seconds" is that they usually commit to at least a whole season of something...and repeat it often enough to catch you up. Things like WB's Super Sunday nite "reruns" or the SciFi mini-series work out great. They also get off cheaper because they get to reuse content 3-4 times a month..and there's enough else on other stations if I'm actually around for a "rerun"

    I also like Dish because I can get west coast channels [when the locals don't block] and get a second chance [cheapskate time shifting] to watch stuff when I have the time...Another thing to note for the networks: This is a crappy economy! People have chores, errands, and work to do...not watch TV. The little time they had for TV is now used for catching up email, IM, gamming, /. ..in addition to kids & house. You have to show the..shows when people have time to watch them, and stick with them long enough to build a following! [and KEEP the following when you get it..ala Dark Angel]

  13. Re:Crap? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There have been crap shows for as long as TV has been around. I would even go so far as to say that, despite the hordes of reality shows, TV is the best it's ever been. There are a lot of really strong shows playing right now.

    The problem is the medium itself. It's designed as a one-way communication medium. I have to laugh at all the attempts to make television bi-directional, with people being constantly encouraged to hop online to vote for something or other, or to get further information from their website. I laugh because I'm guessing that for every five people who leave the TV and sit down in front of the computer, at least three aren't coming back.

    The Internet has several fundamental advantages over TV. The stuff you find on the Internet is there whenever you happen to drop by. You don't have to schedule your life around it. You can talk back to it. You can find exactly what interests you most.

    So no, I don't believe that the problem with TV is that the writing is any weaker, or that the shows are crappier than they've ever been. Nor do I believe that even a huge increase in quality--however welcome--is going to get TV viewing back up to the levels of ten years ago. TV will never again be the center of the world's cultural life. Thank God.

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  14. Neilsen... by Zapman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Quoth the article:

    Meanwhile, some network executives are blaming Nielsen Media Research, the folks who measure viewer ratings, claiming that the firm's methodology is faulty in this new era of digital cable boxes and satellite dishes. Nielsen, of course, disagrees

    I was astounded to find out that to be a 'Neilsen reviewer' you had to watch more than 5 hours of TV per day.

    ALL OF THEIR STATS ARE BASED OFF OF THESE PEOPLE!

    With that in mind, just how realistic do you thing their stats are going to be to begin with, let alone if a large portion of their viewing population is disappearing from them. Would they even notice until the revolution has them up against the wall?

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