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Gaming Communities Cause Of TV Ratings Decline?

Bendebecker writes "We all know about the falling popularity of television this season, but Mike Malone of ABC News has a very interesting viewpoint on why this is happening. He seems to think that the growing popularity of online gaming communities (the example he gives is Counter-Strike) are causing the decline, which is particularly noticeable among the young male demographic."

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  1. Crap? by jeffkjo1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So young males are playing video games, and that is the source of your falling ratings? Could there perhaps be a correlation between crap, and lower ratings, which in turn leads to higher video game consumption?

    1. Re:Crap? by penguinland · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I cannot agree more. Given the choice between watching another "reality" series and playing Neverwinter Nights or another suitably awesome game, there is no contest. Game sales are up because the newer games have better graphics, AI, and gameplay, but also retain the same quality of the old games. Television, on the other hand, has not had any major advances since... um... whenever they started making them in color. It's getting old, and the TV stations have all but run out of new ideas for shows. If they start playing good, entertaining shows, people will watch them. Until then, people will find other sources of entertainment, such as games.

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    2. Re:Crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Have we forgotten about the most enriching form of entertainment of all - the book?

    3. Re:Crap? by WTFmonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. FOX for the Simpsons and the odd NFL & MLB games (even though I can't stand the announcers-- wwhen the fuck did Deon Sanders and Howie Long become acceptable announcers? They sound even more idiotic than John Madden. What a bunch of retards.), Spike for ST:TNG, and Discovery for Monster Garage and Monster House (Monster Garage is cooler). The only thing the major networks get my time for is the remaining NFL & MLB games. Oh yeah, Nova on KPBS is occasionally interesting.

    4. Re:Crap? by HillBilly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is also to much of the same stuff.

      One channel does a hospital show, all the others do a copy cat show.
      One channel does a crime show, next thing you know every channel has 3 of them.

      There is a true lack of orginality these days. It seems producers and writers are afraid to push the boundries.

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  2. Are they going to be looking for new advertising? by tekiegreg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Granted advertisers need to advertise their product, what happens when they infiltrate the computer gaming market more. I can see it now, blowing someone away with a headshot and a message in my headphones "now how about a refreshing cola?". Oh dear...

    Though I shouldn't fear someone will have a crack shortly when that happens :-)

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  3. Don't blame games for the decline by SiliconBateman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If TV is worth watching it will attract the viewers. Viewers are being selective because so much TV is poor quality; stimulation can be found elsewhere - particuraly for proactive young people who will make the effort rather than being mushrooms.

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  4. Makes sense to me by nystul555 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When a new form of entertainment emerges, it can take away from the time spent with current forms.

    People only have so much free time in a day. If they begin spending 2-3 hours a day playing video games, that's 2-3 less hours they have for tv, music, reading, etc.

    There was a time when you read books for entertainment, and that's about all you COULD do. Then radio came along, and families sat around in the evening listening to radio shows. Then TV, now video games. It makes perfect sense.

    I do want to say that I think this is a good thing. For the most part TV is the most mindless, unstimulating, unsocial form of entertainment we have today. If more people play games (still maybe not the best entertainment, but challenging and oftentimes social none the less) than watch TV, well, I'm all for it!

  5. Or maybe... by TeslaDAC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's just that the new shows are increasingly like the music comming out today. It's all the same: Reality this, real life that, American Wannabe, they're all modeled after a small group of once successful shows. I presently only watch maybe 3 to 4 hours of TV per week, and it's usually educational stuff (TLC, Discovery, Travel, etc). If the people in Hollywood were to do some real research and come up with something original again, maybe people would start watching again. But it will have to happen soon, or their only audience will be folks who dont have a net connection.

  6. Cannot possible be the programmers fault. by YankeeInExile · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Naturally, poor writing, direction, acting and acting have nothing to do with its decline.

    More frequent and longer commercial breaks, split-screens during credits, product placement and other techniques are thought to IMPROVE the viewing experience.

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  7. The real reason of TV Ratings Decline... by suss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TV shows that are not worth watching.

    Nothing to see here, move along now.

    1. Re:The real reason of TV Ratings Decline... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • The real reason of TV ratings decline... TV shows that are not worth watching.
      You've nailed it on the head. That, and the fact that there are way too many ads on TV.
  8. The falling popularity of TV by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and the increase in reality TV shows. Coincidence? I leave it to you, the gentle reader, to determine.

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  9. Re:Huh? by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's quite possible that we have transitioned between a generation that finds it inconceivable to NOT watch TV, to another one that does not find TV important at all.

    When I first stopped watching TV, right after the OJ Simpson car chase, whatever year that was, people treated me to everything from incredulity to ridicule about it. Almost no-one was able to simply accept the idea that I literally didn't watch TV, didn't own one, didn't feel like it was missing.

    See, a whole lot of popular culture comes from last night's tube. People see it as a personal problem of theirs that you aren't hip to everything that's been popular recently. So it took a while for concepts like "survivor" to sink in as "a tv thing" sometimes. There are a TON of celebrities that seem to be household names, and I don't know who they are (nor do I care.)

    These days, I do own a TV, but that's largely because the DVD, VHS, and sometimes CATV are necessary for university work. Otherwise, CATV is largely a side effect of my internet connection.

    Let's see, in the past year, I think I've watched a few news programs (it's been a busier year than most, what with a war and all), Maybe one or two Simpsons episodes, and something called "Queer Eye." That's it. My cats watch more TV than I do.

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  10. You gotta be kidding me. by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It never ocurred to them that HBO is kicking all the 'Free' TV stations in the behind because HBO has the cohones to produce shows that people want to see.

    Then again the ABC's of this world are P-Whipped by the Advertizers and Local affiliates in the sense that the ABC's cave to their wishes. They will never be bold enough to ignore them and go in new directions.

    Look at what happened to Futurama. Perfect example.

    The only new shows worth watching this season are the Sopranos and Kid Notorious (Comedy Central). Both Cable shows who's formulas for sucess are ones that the 'Free' TV stations will NEVER touch.

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  11. Soon:HD Crap by Kris_J · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'd hate to be a TV station required to upgrade all their equipment to digital only to find themselves bereft of talent enough to put on shows other than "Australia's funniest hit in the balls".

    It's not just that the programs are crap, it's that they're crap filled with ads.

    I buy my Andromeda on DVD. I don't pay for it by watching ads. If there are any SciFi producers out there: Screw the stations, produce for Region 0 DVD. Put up a BitTorrent link for your pilot and a "buy it now" link on your website.

  12. not trying to be extreme.. by viniosity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I sold my TV 3 years ago and haven't looked back since. I get my entertainment from books, the Internet, and games. Living without a TV was tough for about the first 6 months and then I stopped missing it. I don't smoke, but I wonder if it's something akin to giving up a cigarette habit..

    When I am exposed to TV these days (at bars or at a friends house) I can't get over just how much garbage is on it. Not only are the shows bad, the news seems to be aimed at 9 year olds. The final insult is the advertising which seem more and more to appeal to the emotional side (buy this SUV and you'll feel like you're roaring through the mountains!) as opposed to practical advantage (sucks less, costs less, works better).

    While TV, video games, and the Internet are all time sinks (and I believe there's data that backs this next claim up) - people tend to use their brains more while playing video games or using the net. And, to me, that can only be a good thing!

  13. Going deeper - into the Abyss by leoaugust · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Mike Malone has made some sweeping remarks and some of the questions that come to my mind immediately are:
    1. If someone could guesstimate the number of the online-community game subscriptions sold in last quarter (or last year) and compare it with the drop that the TV viewership has experienced, I think we would get a better sense of the correlation between the two. What percentage of one is the other ?
    2. There is a difference between recorded-TV and broadcast-TV and it is possible for there to be a decline in broadcast-TV viewership but not in the overall-TV viewership. People may be watching more recorded-TV (i.e dvd's, videos, avi's) rather than the broadcast-TV (which has experienced ratings decline). So knowing how Netflix et al are doing would be nice ...
    3. Another point is whether it is possible that the increase in the online-game-community members is pretty much because of the decline in the offline-game-community - i.e fewer people are playing baseball or hanging out at the malls. If one increase can be explained by the decrease in the other, then the contribution of the online-game-community might not be that significant to the decline in TV-viewership.
    4. In addition to the extremeties of passive TV and dynamic online-games, there is a spectrum of other activities that are somewhat passive-somewhat active. For example, watching a dvd filled with goodies is more active than TV but passive compared to online-games. Or even answering email which is less active than online-games and less passive than TV - after all the time for checking and answering email has to come from somewhere in the time-space of 25 hours ....
    5. In addition, on a macroscopic level, it would be interesting to see if there is enough about the TV shows online (plotlines, episodes, forums, flames, etc.) so that the desire to watch the most of the actual show is minimized rather than heightened. Afterall, it is probably much more satisfying to keep the fantasy of imagination about most-of-shows-on-TV-today, rather than actually watch it to confirm the hash the director and studios have made of it ....
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  14. One redeeming aspect of MMORPGs by mabu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No annoying commercials! At least in game you can put people on /ignore !! If I could stop the constant bombardment of advertisements, I'd probably go back to watching TV, but you can't seem to sit for more than six minutes before you're interrupted by the network news propagating FUD teasers, being told you're too fat or too poor, or that the new H2 will give your life meaning. The invasion of television commercials has made the signal-to-noise ratio of television unbearable (not that most programming isn't mindless in the first place, but you can't even watch the Discovery channel anymore without having your train of thought mowed down by that dumbass from Video Professor hawking "FREE CDs!!")

    It's ridiculous. It's like someone set up a drum set in my living room and goes into a solo every six minutes, for six minutes.

    Does anyone have any data on the proliferation of commercial air time compared to actual content on television? It seems to me that commercial breaks are even more numerous and longer. This is the one defining element of gaming that has not been so brutally co-opted, though I know we're seeing that change as well.

  15. where have those ratings gone? by sl0ppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    seriously ... between:

    o more channels than ever before
    o more video consoles than ever before
    o more online/interactive games
    o that intraweb thing
    o more movies on dvd
    o whole series being released on dvd
    o recycled television line-ups

    where are those viewers going? so many things to choose from, it will take something with a very strong appeal to draw viewers back in.

    given the large amount of crap on tv these days, i don't think they'll ever enjoy the same numbers they've had in the past.

    perhaps the heyday is over, and they should stop trying to find something to blame it on.

  16. Build (the content) and they will come by BenjyD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An average line up for a night's programming (UK tv):

    show about a couple going house hunting
    show about two people buying a house and doing it up
    show about a pair of people building a house from scratch
    Show about two people who bought a house last year on a tv show and have redecorated it since.

    Hmmm, interesting. As a 24 year old bloke, just what I want to watch. I think I'll go play BF1942.

  17. Yes And No by bettiwettiwoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So young males are playing video games, and that is the source of your falling ratings?
    Of course this is a largely a crap argument.

    I think, however, that it might point to a new trend ... with an almost unavoidable impact on ratings: I think that for whatever reason people don't stop playing games as they leave their teenage years/early twenties behind -- which it appears they used to do. It is quite possible that the added dimensions/attractions of on-line, or at least multi-player, gaming has contributed to this change, together with a better variety of games and better game play.

    I think one may draw an analogy with animated films or comic books. It used to be that people watched animated films as children and then they grew up and didn't watch them anymore. That is no longer true: look at the popularity of anime films for instance. Or even Disney films which seem half-aimed at an adult audience today. Same with comic books: where once was Donald Duck and Superman, today you may find American Splendor.

    Naturally, if people play games for a longer period of their lives, then the larger the group of people playing and the more hours spent playing. This increased time spent on gaming means less time spent watching television (given the same amount of hours leisure time). If they also spend more hours per day playing games (as opposed to merely hours per life-time) then they have even less time to watch television (given 24h per day). The only way television could compete with that natural phenomenon would be to broadcast better and more attractive programmes, i.e., not just as good as before but actually better. Given the plethora of 'reality' shows (does anyone actually watch Survivor?) at the moment, I don't think that has happened just yet.

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  18. Games sure, but also VCRs & DVDs by Colazar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm sure games (online and otherwise) are part of the decline, but there are plenty of other reasons, too.

    Other than sports, I haven't watched a TV show live in years. I either record it for viewing later (skipping the commercials) or do without. Plus now, you figure if a show is any good, it will be released on DVD in a year or two.

    When I was a boy, there was a sense of urgency about watching TV, because if you missed an episode, it was gone forever. That's just not true anymore.

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  19. Don't Blame Reality TV by gmhowell · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't blame reality TV for falling ratings. First, the offerings are back down to a reasonable number. Fear Factor, Survivor, and Joe Millionaire are the only ones I can think of running on the networks. After the glut two years ago, we are seeing a return of comedies and dramas, big time. I can't remember when I've seen as many new dramas as have come out this year.

    As others have pointed out, blame the quality of the programming. Many of those new shows have already been tossed in the dumpster. Older shows are coasting (South Park's RIAA episode was okay, crab people was lame) or haven't started yet (I'm looking at you, Fox). There are also few shows with a hook to get you watching week to week. Paramount won't force Star Trek to be anything other than episodic in nature. CSI and the bunch have followed the Law and Order thing. There's absolutely no reason for me to make sure I watch it next week.

    Maybe something can be learned from 24 and Sopranos. Each tells a compelling story with week to week continuity. I think Sopranos succeeds better at bringing in new viewers, but can't be 100% sure without seeing the ratings trends.

    Unfortunately, much of this is nothing new. The networks have spent the past 50+ years churning out variations on the same 'hot theme'. (Even back in the radio days, there were several variations on Gunsmoke, Paladin, Matt Dillon, etc, etc.) But when radio went to TV, the same people stayed in charge, so they didn't bitch (as much) about losing radioshare. What is different is that people have an alternative that isn't owned by NBC or CBS (old Westinghouse, FWIW). You better believe that if NBC owned Rockstar Studios or if CBS owned Sony Online Ent. they wouldn't be complaining. As much.

    There is also the issue where the networks attempt to appeal to all people. This insures that they appeal to almost none. The cable stations can afford to be niche marketed. ABC et al. find themselves trying to sell Ford Tauruses while Discovery, Comedy Central, etc. can sell PT Cruisers and New Beetles. Sure, you may hate 'em, but somebody loves 'em enough to keep them in business and doing well.

    So, all you upmodded reality TV haters, try and expand your vision a little bit. The situation is hardly as simple as that.

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  20. Stop cancelling the good shows! by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Read my sig. BTW.

    Good shows get canned and utter crap (reality TV) takes over all the airwaves, and they are wondering why we're not watching anymore?

    IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO ALL TV EXECS FOLLOWS:

    If you move a show around week after week until even its most dedicated fans have no idea when is on, its ratings will drop.
    Not because nobody wants to watch the show, because no one can.

    Firefly , Futurama, Family Guy, etc. They are good shows, fun shows, shows people want to watch over and over again, but CAN'T because they get put in the Random Shifting Mystery Time Slot of Death and then cancelled for "low ratings" and replaced with boring, run of the mill cookie-cutter snore fests.

    Yeah, I'll play videogames instead, at least I can rely on my game to be the same game next time I load it and not be pre-empted by a tv preacher telling me I'm going to hell unless I give him money to finance the next preempting of my TV show.

    THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART:

    Respect your viewers, and for god's sake never ever again justify your decisions with the phrase "nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the america public"!

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  21. Toffler's prophecy has come true! by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the major networks should have taken the warning writer Alvin Toffler mentioned some 34 years ago in his most famous book, The Third Wave.

    In that book, Toffler mentioned that as communications technology improves, this drastically increases the choices for people wanting their entertainment and information, and as a result the high ratings of TV networks in the past will never happen again; he called this concept the demassification of the media.

    Since 1979 (the year The Third Wave as published), we've had the following:

    1. Videocasette recorders (and now increasingly personal video recorders) effectively destroying the concept of prime time. Why stay up to watch The Late Show with David Letterman when you can watch it the next morning from a recording?

    2. Cable TV with its 60-plus channels and direct-broadcast satellite TV with its 200-plus channels has allow for much more niche programming aimed at specific smaller audiences.

    3. The rise of pre-recorded home videos, first on videocassettes in the 1980's and now on DVD since 1997 has allowed home viewers to see recent movie hits and even complete TV seasons!

    4. The rise of the public Internet since the early 1990's has taken away a LOT of TV viewers, especially since the Internet can be considered a true interactive medium.

    Small wonder why the TV networks are suffering nowadays.

  22. Re:Numbers by Artifakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's been five years now since Harry Potter first brought a bunch of new mostly 10-14 year olds into reading. Those kids now mostly fall in the 15 to 19 demographic, and hey, just maybe some of them are still reading regularly. Books have a lot of the features of games. They're interactive, have few if any commercials, and they allow time shifting for us busy moderns on the go. If reading has caught on enough to affect TV, I hate to say it, but just maybe J K Rowling has saved western civilization.

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  23. Re:Why TV Sucks Ass by cap'n+foolsy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the past few interations of EA Sport's Fifa Soccer games have all had ads - but then again ads are almost as much a part of sports as the players are :P at least they're not quite as obtrusive as TV ads, which are forced upon you. ads in computer games rarely divert your attention from enjoying the game itself. which TV ads so expertly do.

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