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Evaporation Prevention Using Molecular Blankets

Makarand writes "According to this article in the New Scientist, a Canadian company is testing a technology to reduce water evaporation from reservoirs by spreading an ultra-thin blanket of organic molecules on the surface to block the escape of water molecules into the air. Trials conducted in India and Morocco showed between 30 and 45 per cent reduction in evaporation using this method. However, the long term ecological effects of reducing evaporation in lakes or reservoirs is not yet clear as evaporation prevention can increase water temperatures and affect the exchange rates of gases such as oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide."

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  1. Algae population ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting


    won't this increase the algae population ?

    the problem with water is distribution not evaporation

  2. Great, the next "The Core" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Scientists working to stop evaporation accidentally unleash it on the world's ocean. This causes weather around the world to go crazy, and only a group of scientists doing something bizarre can fix it.

  3. Hey... by hazman · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's not a environment destroying oil spill, its a high tech water evaporation prevention film.

  4. Just pour oil/petroleum in the lake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful


    same result, you get a nice film on the surface and damages the local ecology plus you can get it from your local gas station

    how about spending money on better infrastructure or de-salination plants first ? then you wouldnt need to stop evaporation, remember 80% of the globe is covered with H2O so evaporation is not the problem

  5. Weather too by BWJones · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, the long term ecological effects of reducing evaporation in lakes or reservoirs is not yet clear as evaporation prevention can increase water temperatures and affect the exchange rates of gases such as oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide."

    Don't forget possible changes to the weather. For instance, there are a number of areas whose climate and micro-climate are influenced by nearby bodies of water.

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    1. Re:Weather too by pipingguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Don't forget possible changes to the weather. For instance, there are a number of areas whose climate and micro-climate are influenced by nearby bodies of water.

      Were you envisioning covering the Great Lakes with this stuff?

      I'd be willing to test the product in my toilet based on the assumption that it'd reduce the atomized crap on my toothbrush due to flushing.

    2. Re:Weather too by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While the film reduces evaporation, I doubt it reduces aerosolization significantly.

      Still, as long as its your crap or someone close to you (family) it shouldn't matter that much in most cases.

      Coz either the germs are yours or you're going to get them from other routes anyway. e.g. if you and your family are healthy, then small amount of aerosolized germs are unlikely to kill you - your immune systems already know how to deal with em. However your germs may kill/sicken strangers, and theirs might do the same to you.

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  6. This should be fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just wait until they make a version that replicates.. so you can pour 1 cup in a lake and in a few days it covers the lake....

    Then wait until someone pours a cup of this into the oceans.

    Then wait when it stops raining and we all die.

    YAY

  7. Is this Really New?? by RMacolyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's the difference between this "new" system for evaporation prevention and the Liquid Solar Blankets sold in Pool Supply stores? This tech has been used for years!! Course this company has probably jacked up the pricing since this is supposedly "new" once again...

  8. doesn't this happen naturally? by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No natural body of water has wter on the surface. its all coated by oily or other hydrophobic molecules lighter than water. I guess I dont understand what they are proposing to do differently. do their molecules cross link to each other forming an actual blanket that is kinetically impermeable at natural temperatures.

    I would think that if water cant get out kinetically then air and nitrogen cant get in. so you can kiss all fish and algea goodbye.

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  9. other uses by distro+stu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm sure they could use this in the Ural Sea (or whats left of it). Could animals drink through it? If they could I can imagine this being very useful for the thirsty animals during dry seasons in Africa's national parks.

  10. Need more research by whereiswaldo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, the long term ecological effects of reducing evaporation in lakes or reservoirs is not yet clear as evaporation prevention can increase water temperatures and affect the exchange rates of gases such as oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide.

    This seems like a pretty critical area of the research. If the water becomes stagnant and full of algae or dead fish, what good is it?

    This could have unforeseen effects on the local ecosystem.

    Unforseen? Maybe if you have your eyes and ears taped shut? Forgive me for being cynical, but it seems so many scientists are out for a little fame and don't see the big pictures.

    1. Re:Need more research by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful
      in my experience, most scientists are much, much more interested in being right, it's an ego thing.
      And your experience is?

      I'm sorry, I have to ask this. Working in biotech as I do, I deal with scientists on a daily basis. (I'd like to call myself one, but honesty won't allow me to do so until I get my PhD.) In my experience, they're human like anyone else -- and like anyone else, of course they'd prefer to be right than wrong; but the nature of the profession is that it ultimately rewards those who check their data carefully and accurately forecast the consequences of their actions, and punishes those who don't.

      The idea that scientists are egotists who refuse to acknowledge their failings is a vile stereotype, with no more basis in fact than the idea that they're cold and unfeeling, or sexless geeks, or unable to appreciate art and culture, or ... well, you get the idea. So you'll understand if I have my doubts that such a slur comes from someone with much real experience of science and scientists at all. If I'm wrong, please let me know.
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  11. Can anyone say "Breaking the Cycle"? by atgrim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Call me silly... but, isn't water evaporation part of the cycle of weather? Take out one part and the machine doesn't work. I hope that this "technology" is not used on a large scale. The implications concerning local weather patterns could be devastating.

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  12. this is a BAD idea by c4ffeine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last time I checked, something called "rain" is made possible by evaporation from lakes, resiorvoirs, etc. Wouldn't preventing evaporation prevent rain? Rain happens to be a great way to irrigate fields, and is very good for our environment...

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    1. Re:this is a BAD idea by gerardrj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If anything, this would help restore ecological balance in the areas around resivoirs. The resivoirs I've seen are human created, not natural. This actually causes an increase in humidity and perhaps rainfall in the areas around them.
      Decreasing the evaporation would bring things more in line with the "natural" state of the area.

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  13. Nice idea by helix400 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This would be great for those of us in the intermountain west.

    Our reservoirs lose tons of water over the long hot dry days of summer. Add that to the 5 year drought we're in....and it'd help enormously. Of course, that would probably mean boats and jetskis would be off limits during that time, but having water is more important that having fun.

  14. Positive spin? by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...by spreading an ultra-thin blanket of organic molecules on the surface to block the escape of water molecules...

    Are they trying to place a positive ecological spin on oil spils/slicks? Oil is organic, and it does prevent the evaporation of the underlying water.
    I recall seeing/reading elsewhere that a few millileters is enough to create a minute slick over several square kilometers.

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  15. Old hat by njh · · Score: 5, Informative

    We studied this in school. They use large alcohols as the skin (as covered in this article). The point is that it's usually distribution rather than storage that is the problem. (In Melbourne.au the annual evaporation rate is 3m - on a shallow 30m deep dam this means that it would take 10 years to evaporate the water away, assuming none is added. I have some old papers here from the 60s by the then Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works about this idea.

    If you are having problems keeping water due to evaporation then you need to choose a better dam site.

    More interesting is a proposal to store stormwater underground. Firstly, the land area and evaporation issues disappear (to be replaced by similar issues :) but more importantly, the water is actually cleaned by the action of anerobic bacteria on the water.

  16. Website URL and Possible Additional Application by pipingguy · · Score: 4, Informative


    Flexible Solutions

    This might also be useful for refineries/chemical plants, etc. that maintain large atmospheric pressure reservoirs of dihydrogen monoxide for fire-fighting purposes.

  17. Maybe not so many dead fish by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Insightful


    My first thought was the same as yours -- oil on water and asphyxiating fish. But that might not be the case.

    They claim that their technique produces a monolayer on the surface. That's a layer one molecule thick. This would easily be disturbed by the slightest motion or breeze. The tiniest ripple would create local openings. In fact, this is probably why their reduction in water loss is so small -- only tens of percent. Lots of water gets out. This implies that lots of gases could also get in. (i.e., gas exchange with the atmosphere would perhaps be inhibited by tens of percent amount.)

  18. Everything gets run through the green filter? by TheNarrator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's kind of annoying that these days, when any new technology arrives, it is subject to a ridiculously paranoid environmentalism filter. Resevoir water is about .0001% of all water on the planet and people are worried about gas exchange and the temperature of it! Enough to deprive populations in the developing world of clean drinking water? I was suprised that the cost of the system wasn't mentioned in the header, only the environmental impact.

    1. Re:Everything gets run through the green filter? by greenstork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're right, we should probably just implement new technologies without even considering the environmental consequences. Who needs the environment anyway, it's just the air we breathe and the water we drink, not really important. Blind acceptance of technology is a much wiser option.

    2. Re:Everything gets run through the green filter? by pherthyl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The percentage of FRESH water that goes through a reservoir at some point is much higher. (I don't know the percentage but I highly doubt your 0.0001% figure is from anywhere but your ass).
      Turns out, the drinking water for almost all larger cities is from reservoirs somewhere. Then there's the reservoirs for power generation. This is a significant percentage of major rivers. Rivers that many species depend on for survival.

      So yes, it does have to be run through the "green" filter. Otherwise you can claim that every activity is the same. "Oh hey, well because of our oil tanker crash we polluted 1000 km^2 of ocean but.. uh.. thats like 0.000001% of the earth so who cares right?"
      Sheeesh, get a clue.

  19. J G Ballard's "The Drought" by Dynamoo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This is *exactly* the basis for the plot in J G Ballard's bleak vision of the future, "The Drought" where the oceans become covered in a thin molecular film which prevents evaporation of the seas, and hence no rain.

    In the book the film is caused by pollution, but it is almost impossible to disperse and remains resistant to the waves and man-made attempts to break up the film. In the end, humanity ends up clinging to life by the edges of the ocean, each person with their own solar-powered desalination plant.

    A sobering thought if you've read the book. Imaging what whould happen if this stuff got loose?

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