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Red Hat's CEO Suggests Windows For Home Users

Selecter was one of many readers to point out a ZDNet story in which "the CEO of Red Hat now says that Linux is not ready for the desktop, but may be ready in a few more years. Curious - I'm wondering if this is the start of a corporate only retrenchment of Linux, or just a bump in the road to Linux having a wider desktop share?" Apropos that, Gwobl writes "Jim Lynch, over at ExtremeTech, weighs in on the fate of the Linux desktop, now that Red Hat has apparently turned its attention to the enterprise and Novell is buying SUSE (to go with Outlook clone Ximian, which it also owns). Lynch's take: Cheer them on! The Linux world needs these strong champions. And don't overlook Novell's networking roots. Time was, Big Red defined networking."

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  1. I Agree Totally, My Experience with the Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think
    I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community
    at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source
    based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing
    as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying
    technology.

    I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to
    back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult
    for, we wanted to integrate the shareware version of Linux into our
    server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing
    fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of
    several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high
    that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which
    were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of
    serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.

    I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in
    VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't
    believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go
    just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code
    that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the
    system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to
    increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3
    machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say
    the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't
    even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was
    supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The
    3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that
    they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise"
    environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had
    experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted,
    Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in
    their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full
    fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that
    the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled
    filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that
    since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with
    some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour,
    we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't
    a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines
    instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server
    pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the
    Linux boxes.

    Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my
    clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the
    free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the
    old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have
    also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that
    we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks
    of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the
    same freedoms as the GPL.

    As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to
    compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming,
    but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows
    98/NT/2K are your only choices.

    thank you.

  2. Re:I Agree Totally, My Experience with the Linux by FatHogByTheAss · · Score: -1, Troll

    Well done!

    Subtle tones of expertiese color the overall message with a venier of authenticity. You went over the top with the "Consultant for F500 Companies" though. Nobody buys that.

    I'll give it a 9.5 for effort, but only a 7 for originality.

    Great troll!!!

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  3. ...you dumb kid by Starve · · Score: 1, Troll

    hmmn brilliant, The problem is not that windows "owns" the desktop its a matter of userbase. a lot of people who use computers aren't as knowledgable as most /. readers. Your ignorance to the fact that Linux is a superior operating system in all spectrums of performance, security and above all else stability. Leaves me puzzling why you even commented. I would much rather use a Linux desktop then XP anyday. Now I think XP and 2k are the better of the Windows line of operating systems but like anything from Microsoft its usually half done when you get it SP1 and soon to be SP2 did not and I suspect won't fix half the problems and security issues still to be found. So in one sense by marketshare yes Windows has a higher stake then *nix (including os X in that statement) but in the category of what its worth any *nix distro that has a name for itself is worth 3x the price you paid for your current operating system.

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  4. Smack! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    This is good news to me. Now all you linux advocates(mostly made up of 15-19 year olds) can face the facts that linux isn't as wonderful as you think/wish it was for average desktop use.

  5. WHAT THE FUCK!? by greymond · · Score: 0, Troll

    Redhat was one of the biggest Linux companies actually allowing the average consumer to switch from Windows to Redhat with their easy windowish install of linux and an install that actually would find and setup all my hardware for thos eof us not inclined to use a command line. Red Hat had an even better desktop chance now that the big Macromedia apps were running on linux. The time is now, and yet they are shrinking back into a corner where they should be coming out strong....

  6. Re:Some MBA dork... by chrisbw · · Score: 1, Troll
    Most people can't install an operating system period. I use Linux exclusively at home, and my girlfriend has had no trouble adapting (she uses it mostly to check her e-mail, and plays a bunch of the KDE games). If "ready for the desktop" for most users means word processing, internet access, and so forth, Linux is almost there - it just needs to be able to read Word documents properly (and OpenOffice comes close).

    I agree, however I would go out on a limb and say that Linux installations require a little more knowledge than other operating systems. Look at Mac OS X, it's about as foolproof of an installation as you can get.

    And yes, as a web surfing station, Linux performs just fine. However, when you start getting into things like digital photography, how easy is Linux compared to Windows? What's my mom going to touch up her photos in, gimp? Is there an "installer wizard" for it? I'd *love* to see her try and install a printer under Linux ;)

    "vi? What?!"

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  7. Re:LEt's face it. by JW+Troll · · Score: 0, Troll

    Linux just isn't as fast, either. Things like UI speed matter more to me than filesystem fragmentation issues; you can schedule a defrag, but you can't schedule UI responsiveness.
    Considering how sucky Linux drivers are (doesn't matter whose fault that is, BTW, end users only care for results) it's amazing that ANYbody gets Linux to run satisfactorily. Lord knows I've tried too many times to count, and Libranet's the closest thing to a decent Windows replacement -- for Windows 95, that is, if only its performance were as good.
    Szulik is right; Linux won't meet 90% of people's needs.

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  9. Re:Linux isn't ready for the desktop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Ummm, you've used Mac, haven't you :)

    Install an app? Hmm, many of them you simply drag it into the "Applications" directory. Delete? Drag it into the trash. Move it? Rename it? Guess what? Same sort of thing.

    Not all apps, but certainly many of them. Directories with readable names? Yep.

    Useable base system? Yep.

    Anti-Aliased, easy to organize fonts? Yep. In a directory called Fonts.

    Sounds a lot like what you're advocating. And no, Linux isn't there, and will never get there. It isn't supposed to get there.

  10. Re:No love for OS X? by TrancePhreak · · Score: 0, Troll

    I just bought OSX and I'm having a lil trouble getting it to run on my new P4 system. Perhaps you can help me out?











    Didn't think so..... Oh well, back to Windows I guess.

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  11. Wrong!!!!.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll
    Microsoft is acturally gaining market share in the enterprise end. Can't say the same thing about RH.

    Yep, this MSCE is looking mighty smart sticking with Windows.

  12. Red Hat is dying ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

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