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Fedora Core 1 Released

EvilAlien writes "The Fedora Project has released Fedora Core 1, aka Yarrow. The release was expected on November 3rd, but was briefly delayed. The release notes has quite a bit of good detail, and is worth checking out for any preliminary questions you may have. Download options include BitTorrent in addition to the traditional collection of FTP mirrors."

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  1. A couple of links by Mr_Icon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bittorrent Link

    Alternatively:
    btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 350 --url http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/yarrow-binary-i386-i so.torrent

    A few installation screenshots

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    1. Re:A couple of links by brett_sinclair · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're actually downloading a directory called yarrow-binary-i386-iso, containing three isos (descriptively called disk1, etc...). These are the ones to burn.

    2. Re:A couple of links by oobar · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you mean Bram's FAQ, then yes. But nobody ever accused him of being great with documentation. A much better FAQ is here.

    3. Re:A couple of links by j-turkey · · Score: 4, Informative
      Looking at the screenies, I must ask: how is this different from RH9?

      Yeah -- those screenshots really tell the whole story, don't they? ;)

      All kidding aside, they've made some significant changes to the RH9 core. Check out the release notes.

      The stuff that really interests me is:

      • Prelinking: (search for it in the link above) From an end user perspective, it will make applications load faster, as dynamicly linked libraries will be loaded ahead of time into unused memory.
      • Exec-Shield: (again, search for it in the release notes) Exec-shield purports to randomize VM addresses and make parts of applications (as well as their stack) non-executable. Think of it as "damage control" for security holes. The integrated stack protection (that the Exec-shield kernel addition replaces/includes) is very important for foiling buffer overflow attacks.
      • /proc/cpufreq (again, see the notes) Maybe this has been done elsewhere, but I've neither used or seen it. Apparently, you can do CPU clock throttling. This is particularly useful for laptops where CPU speed is scaled down to conserve battery. This technology is still in its infancy (for Linux, anyway) and has a way to go, but is an excellent start nonetheless.
      • Laptop mode compliments /proc/cpufreq and changes disk access to a sort of block-mode that will space apart disk accesses allow for the disk to spin down and conserve battery.
      • Extended RPM/Up2Date support: Up2Date now supports APT and YUM, as well as local databases. (I read somewhere that the default package management is now APT but cannot confirm this.)
      Anyway, this is just the stuff that piqued my interest. There are plenty of other changes that look pretty promising. I hadn't read much about Fedora until recently, and nothing technical until today -- but after scanning over the release notes, I'm ready to dump my RH9 desktop box and install Fedora.
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  2. Torrent links here by SuDZ · · Score: 1, Informative

    The .torrent links are avaliable here:

    http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/

    SuDZ

  3. Re:Now the question is... by MoxCamel · · Score: 2, Informative
    where can I buy a boxed set of it? I prefer the convenience of pressed CDs..

    You won't be able to buy the boxed set, but you should be able to buy it (eventually) from the usual places.

  4. Re:Now the question is... by Rik+van+Riel · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the reasons for the name change from "Red Hat Linux" to Fedora is that everybody can sell CDs with the distribution now.

    No need to rename it to "pink tie linux" or "green sock linux" any more, every cheap CD shop selling CDs with Fedora can call it by its real name.

  5. Re:Still concerns about security errata by Rik+van+Riel · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of the nice things about Fedora being an open source project is that participation by others (eg. the Fedora Legacy people) is encouraged.

    If a lot of people want backported security fixes, there's nobody stopping them from doing the work and putting up an apt or yum repository with those packages.

    (one nice feature of Fedora is that up2date now talks apt and yum, so you can get your packages from anywhere you want, not just Red Hat)

  6. Re:Features by jspaleta · · Score: 2, Informative

    there is a boot.iso image that is very very small.
    Its actually sort of a waste actually to burn such a small iso to cd...unless you have a business card cd.

    Anyways burn the tiny iso to a cd...then do a net install. No fuss, no muss.

    And there is certaintly room for community effort...ie YOU...to help rework some of the installer software groupings so you could have a very minimal working install using just one cd and no network. In fact i think people are sort of working on that very issue, though they wandered off the mailinglist with what they were doing.

    -jef"put the 'get off your arse and help out' back in community"spaleta

  7. Totally ridiculous by Outland+Traveller · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look at the facts:

    Support for Redhat 9 is good through April 2004.

    You can download Fedora for free. Fedora has been specifically packaged to make 3rd party distribution easy, and looks like it's going to include all of the functionality of old redhat+up2date for free.

    The new enterprise products have guaranteed 5-year support cycles. THIS IS HUGE. The low end, desktop-oriented enterprise workstation offering is 179$, including 1yr up2date support.

    All of Redhat's software is still GPL.

    I don't see what the anti-redhat has against one of their best neighbors and diplomats to the outside world.

  8. Re:Now the question is... by Otter · · Score: 2, Informative

    People may still be doing it but it violates Red Hat's trademark and they have acted against people in the past for doing exactly that.

  9. Re:Bit torrent! by Stalin · · Score: 2, Informative

    Don't click on this. It is one of those gross site links.

  10. Worst release process ever... by A+Masquerade · · Score: 4, Informative

    Red Hat have always had a bit of a reputation for lousing up the release process of a distribution when it comes to getting mirrors ready before the release.

    Fedora has taken this to new and astounding heights. I got the notification that Fedora was ready to mirror 31 minutes before the supposed official release time. The download.fedora.redhat.com name wasn't in the DNS. The permissions on the repository prvented us rsyncing, and there were no pre-release torrents in place.

    So at release time there were no mirrors and no torrents available. Worse, the mirror list their download page points to are the old Red Hat mirrors which use a different directory heirarchy to the new Fedora tree, so those links are both wrong and to machines that don't have the damn software.

    Its now 4.5 hours after release time. I have had a torrent client set running for most of that time (as soon as I got a torrent URL), and the torrents have not completed. The immediate throwing open of the release to the general public means I can't get rsync access to the main site. So my mirror, and I guess many other are not anywhere near synced.

    Frankly I'm pissed off and will probably not bother to mirror in future.

    1. Re:Worst release process ever... by tekspot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try distrowatch.com. I think the only reason I have not done same thing is that I've read another article on ./ that mentioned scheduled fedora release this week. Regards!

  11. No Boxed Sets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    re: Now the question is...

    where can I buy a boxed set of it? I prefer the convenience of pressed CDs.

    From the Fedora FAQ

    Q: Will Fedora Core be sold in retail?

    A: Fedora Core will not be sold through the retail channel as a shrinkwrapped box. The rapid development pace we expect for Fedora Core doesn't suit retail distribution -- it is a lot of work to get a box product in and out of the channel, and retail isn't set up to efficiently handle software that is updated as often as every six months. Also, the creation of packaging and other materials that are necessary for retail significantly slows down the time to market, which means that users can't get the freshest bits when they are still truly fresh. Further information on the retail product line will be forthcoming this fall.
  12. Re:Features by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've been using Gentoo for awhile now. I really like the fact that it only installs a base system, and you add what you need.

    When ever I need something....if I know the name of the program, just do emerge and it grabs the code, takes care of all the dependencies, grabs any other progs it needs...voila, in minutes, I have the program compiled for my system, and with the flags I want for it. No clutter with 5 different verisons of a functionality unless I want it.

    Updates are a breeze too. emerge -u bang.....its done, or just emerge -u world, go to sleep, and you have the lastest and greatest of everything you run on your system. Give it a try.

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  13. Re:Features by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Informative
    Your wrong, it doesn't even come close to windows.

    If you want a have a windows 2003 Server, thats 1 CD, an exchange server 1CD, office 2003 3 CD's, visual studio.NET 5 CD's, SQL Server at least 1CD etc, etc, etc.. I love how anyone that compares windows to linux (bug reports, install size, etc) seems to forget that there is a hell of alot of software on distribution CD's. It includes everything, not just the base OS that windows includes. I wonder how many bugs windows has in bugtraq if you add windows, exchange, office (including outlook) iis, sql server, etc.

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  14. Re:Does it have SATA support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yep, it does. Installed flawless onto my SATA machine, where RH 9 would not.

  15. Re:um.. by Alan+Cox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Believe me "do we just join Debian" was a seriously asked question in planning Fedora. But Fedora is about somewhat slightly different things like regular and rapid releases and so the idea of merging into Debian didnt look like it would work out.

  16. Re:I'm a switcher... by maelstrom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apt-get works with Redhat too.

    http://freshrpms.net

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  17. choice isn't always that good...go redhat by hdcool · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you all want so bad that Linux ever beats windows, then quit whining or complaining...what RH does is good. It's about time some major distro takes the big step.

    i.e.: If you ever want software companies to write stable software for your pc, you need standardisation. Not libs that change every five seconds. (Ok, maybe not when doing good reverse compatibility of the libs or static linking).

    Linux will always stay the geeky OS until someone sets a standard. Don't want a standard? Fine..go use debian or gentoo. They're all good at reinventing the wheel.

    Want to compete with a real Desktop OS? Then beat it at where it is best, it's stability (seriously, everybody keeps whining how unstable windows is...linux is stable textbased yeah..but the X-apps have their issues.), secondly: ease of use and very important its popularity by the software and hardware companies.

    Go Redhat.

    PS: buying a car costs money, food costs money, a descent OS may cost money. There are programmers that like to live of doing what they're good at and love to do.

  18. Re:Is this the one . . . by Alan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, they mirror files, but if it fails to find it on their server, it'll fail over to any other servers noted in the .ebuild (ie: the original distribution). But hey, if that doesn't work you can find the file and put it into /usr/portage/distfiles yourself, or modify the ebuild to point to the right place.

    This is harder if you need files to install your network, but then you use the pre-compiled files, or install the files from floppy or CD.

    If you want to download and use local copies of the install files, I'm sure that's possible as well, though not the "normal" way to do it. Maybe you should post to the gentoo user forum or user list and see if anyone has any suggestions.

    Course, that assumes you haven't completely given up on it :)

  19. Gentoo gripes by EvilAlien · · Score: 2, Informative
    Sounds like you want the Gentoo Reference Platform discussed in their install documentation:
    Note: A complete Gentoo Linux 2-CD set contains the Gentoo Reference Platform, which is a complete pre-built Gentoo Linux system including GNOME, KDE, Mozilla and OpenOffice. The Gentoo Reference Platform ("GRP") was created to allow rapid Gentoo Linux package installations for those who need this capability. The "compile from source" functionality, which is the cornerstone of Gentoo Linux, will always be a fully-supported installation option as well. The purpose of the GRP is to make Gentoo Linux more convenient for some users, without impacting Gentoo's powerful "compile from source" installation process in any way.
    Of course, updating without a network connection becomes a problem, but you shouldn't have too many issues with file inavailability. I've run Gentoo for some time and it is extremely rare that I cannot get ahold of source necessary for compilations, and I've always built my Gentoo systems from stage1 or stage2.
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  20. Re:For you, then... by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Informative
    One of the actual changes in 'Fedora' over 'Red Hat Linux' is the terms of the copyright. 'Red Hat Linux' is copyrighted with a very specific requirements for use.

    Significantly, you couldnt sell CDs with 'Red Hat Linux' on them and call it 'Red Hat Linux'.... The product included support, and RH was getting lots of calls from people who had bought 'Red Hat Linux' out of the back of a van (or whatever :P)

    With 'Fedora', OTOH, anyone can burn off CDs and call it 'Fedora'.. Well, more people can, there are still some restrictions Im sure.

  21. Re:Brief synopsis then? Please? by bhtooefr · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a full blown stable 1.0 release, it appears... not even a 9.1 release.

  22. Re:What the... by lactose99 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is really for the install, as the install process is contained in a ramdisk. You could run the OS with 8-16 MB of RAM after its installed, although I don't know why you would want to (particularly if you had 64 MB at your disposal for the install).

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  23. Re:A couple of links [THERE IS MP3 SUPPORT] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    on rpm.livna.org, it's maintainted by the good old fedora.us team.