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Apple Acknowledges 15" PowerBook Spots

zachlipton writes "Computerworld is running an interesting interview with Dave Russell, director of product marketing for portables and wireless at Apple. Russell comments on the white spot issues that have plagued the new 15" PowerBooks (Apple has been very responsive about fixing mine at least) and he has this to say about a G5 PowerBook: 'We certainly want to do that, but it's going to be a while.' Russell also comments on a lot of other ideas related to the PowerBook and iBook lines."

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  1. It's about time by Militant+Libertarian · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems I read about this problem a month ago on macnn.com. It seems the 15 inchers are the only ones effected.

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    1. Re:It's about time by mallie_mcg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It seems the 15 inchers are the only ones effected.

      No, my 12" AlBook (purchased in March this year) has a bright spot on it too. I was wondering what it might be, and now that I have seen this I am going to do something about it. It sounds very similar to what my screen has :(.

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  2. I have these by Nutcase · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have these spots on my powerbook's display. Started out as three small points and are now rather large spots. They are only extremely noticable when displaying white backgrounds and such, but are there always.

    Thankfully, I also have extended apple care. I am gonna wait until I hear that they are 100% fixed before I send it in. I don't want to be waiting 2-3 weeks for a replacement, etc. That would be a real big problem. Hopefully they will get the delays down and the success ratio up, and then I can get a new screen that is pristine. :)

    1. Re:I have these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thankfully, I also have extended apple care.

      Thankfully?

      You, and other PB15AL owners with spots don't need to worry about extended Apple Care at this point: Your Mac is covered by Apple's One Year Warranty. The AL PB's are new and not even close to expiring this out-of-box warranty.

  3. Capturing the elusive Spotted PowerBook by danielsfca2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    > the company is aware of the white blemishes on some new 15-in. screens, but hasn't yet "captured" enough of the computers to figure out why the spots are appearing.

    Funny choice of words. I can't help but picture a herd of beautiful wild PowerBooks, running free across the plain.

    (it's a Daria reference.)

    1. Re:Capturing the elusive Spotted PowerBook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      Yeah, that's about right. If you have a problem that the hardware engineering team is interested in (for whatever reason), and if your machine meets the requirements (I don't know what those requirements are), then they may randomly decide that they'd like to grab your machine and dissect it.

      In that case, they'll ask for your permission, and if you agree, they send you a new machine and the old one ends up sitting on somebody's desk in Cupertino (or maybe Elk Grove in some cases). It's all rather civilized, really. :-)

      The alternative interpretation is that they go around looking for spotted machines, shout "The Great WHITE Spot", and start firing spears and/or harpoons at it until it either dies or gives Steve Jobs a rather noticeable limp.

      Your call.

  4. At least by blackmonday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At least he didn't say the new powerbook had the lovely dalmatian finish of the early iMac.

    And, don't expect anyone to say the G5 powerbook is coming soon. Nobody would buy the current models if that was remotely the case.

  5. Easy way to check by awtbfb · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Close/hide all open windows.
    2. Control-click (or right click) on the desktop and select Change Desktop Background.
    3. Change desktop to "Solid White" in the Solid Colors collection. It's the nearly invisible one to the far right.
    4. Minimize System Preferences window and look for spots. Mine are along the vertical and horizontal centerlines of the screen.
    And yes, my screen will be swapped out shortly under warranty.
    1. Re:Easy way to check by nullard · · Score: 5, Informative
      More simply:
      1. Open TextEdit.
      2. Expand the window to fill the screen.
      3. There is no step 3.
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    2. Re:Easy way to check by Demolition · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check here and here for actual pictures of the spots, and here for a 1280x854 overlay diagram which maps out the exact locations of the spots.

      D.

  6. Excellent Test for 'the Spots' by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Informative
    PiXel Check. Fills your whole screen with Red, Blue, Green, White, and Black. Play with the brightness some and it's the best way I've found to see if my white spots are getting bigger (I'm lucky I guess, mine aren't that noticable...yet. I have two on the lower left.)

    I'll be waiting to see if they get bigger, as I have a screen with no dead/stuck pixels and I don't want to tempt fate and/or be without my powerbook for some unknown amount of time.

  7. Re: "G5 PowerBooks coming soon..." by 0x69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Two independent lines of logic strongly suggest that the G5 PowerBook ain't coming any time soon:

    - Apple just updated the PowerBooks. History says that they are very unlikely to update 'em again quick. (See MacRumor.com's Buyer's Guide page for dates of past revisions.)

    - There is no G5 Xserve yet. If Apple can't get a G5 working within the Xserve's size/power/noise limits (with sales doubtless in the pits as folks wait for G5), then they're likely a *long* way from doing G5 within the PowerBook's (far tighter) limits.

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  8. Steve Jobs notes it too by BMonger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was looking at Steve Jobs' blog and he notes it too here.

  9. Re:I don't have the 3 year AppleCare by zachlipton · · Score: 3, Informative
    They don't happen to everyone, you could be lucky :) In general, they are showing up within a week or so, but they get worse over time. After about a week and a half with mine, they are pretty bad.


    The good news is that even without AppleCare, Apple will still replace or repair your machine for free. Call 800-SOS-APPL and they will do the rest.

  10. Blonde Mac Users by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought it was just white out!

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  11. Correcting at production? by RedX · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps Apple is changing the production line to correct this problem, which would explain why the BTO 15" PB that I ordered on October 23 had its ship date change from Nov 4 to Nov 28 yesterday.

  12. Just about had enough by djupedal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm tired of this...

    My iBook screen has no white, red or blue spots and the battery lasts for 4.5 hours... My external FW800 drive on my G4 didn't get corrupted when I updated to Panther... The ethernet port in my G4 holds a connection... My G4 doesn't shutdown when I use my cellphone... None of my OS X apps mysteriously quit and I don't have any issues with deep sleep. My iPod battery lasts for days on end and all of the music I purchased from ITMS is still in my iTunes library...

    When am I going to be like everyone else and have an issue with an Apple product?

    It's just not right, I tell you.

    1. Re:Just about had enough by Yarn · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you're really bothered fall off your pushbike onto your laptop, that's what I did and now my TiBook has that classic "warped corner with peeling paint" that everyone was talking about last year.

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    2. Re:Just about had enough by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2, Funny
      Pushbike... pushbike?! What are you, 80? ;)
      No, he's 75 -- didn't you see his User ID? :^)
  13. Just upgrade... by Eslyjah · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...to Panther. Jaguars have spots.

  14. Re:Xserve (-1, Off-topic) by Alan+Partridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Money? If you take a look at the G5, you'll see that its form factor is actually rather peculiar for a desktop - presumably Apple could engineer a 3U Xserve using the existing G5 tower in a month or two, but to do a 1U version is gonna mean a much bigger (and therefore more Xpensive) engineering effort.

    The power dissipation of the PPC 970 is really nothing special, a laptop version is definitely feasible, though I'd imagine they'll wait for the 90nm version until they go for it, especially with the MPC 7457 proving itself such a good mobile chip.

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  15. Re:The Rest of the Article... by adlerspj · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've found that the screen imprints from the keyboard on my 12" iBook goes away when I clean the screen. It's just skin oils and such. I thought it was an abrasion at first and was pretty bummed, but it cleans right up.

  16. Re:I don't have the 3 year AppleCare by pianophile · · Score: 2, Informative

    Applecare will also give you *on-site* support. This was very nice whan my logic board needed replacing last year.

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  17. Re: G5 Xserve by 0x69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apple could sell a *lot* of G5 Xserves, and (looking at G4 Xserve prices) any undercutting of G5 PowerMac sales would only *increase* Apple's profits. A recent "Page 2" rumor on MacRumors.com put the G5 Xserve 4 to 5 months out - suggesting that 970's built on the new 90nm process are required.

    Why aren't they shipping already? A few ideas:

    - Legal constraint from IBM? Seems unlikely - IBM's bottom line is supposedly hurting for lack of business to keep their pricy new 970 fab busy. Frustrated wanna-be G5 Xserver customers are unlikely to buy all-IBM stuff instead - racks powered by Intel (IBM's arch-enemy) are probably more likely.

    - Too damn hot? Current G5's are much hotter then Xserve's current G4's. Having taken a financial bath on their noisy G4 PowerMac, Apple may have concluded that "1U size", "current G5 chips", and "noise level acceptable to customers" is an impossible combo. If Steve vetoed a >1U size, they'd just have to wait for cooler-running G5's from IBM. But Dell is busy selling dual 3.2GHz Xeon 1U servers, and Xeons supposedly run much hotter than G5's. Is Apple's hot-air-blowing technology actually too sucky to keep up with Dell?

    - R&D brain bottleneck? Apple's hard-core chipset/motherboard design gurus may be stretched thin by too many current projects. Pointy-Haired Bonehead decisions may have set them way back. Intel may have lured key brains away. Quality "the hard parts" engineers aren't a "find, hire, & get productive overnight" item that Apple could fix the problem quickly - *especially* if Steve PHB'ed things to begin with.

    Short of a Darwin-class bonehead decision or two, i don't buy "product cycle" reasons. They've refreshed the Xserve about this fast in the past, and every day of delay is costing $$$ in lost profits.

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  18. Re:The Rest of the Article... by grocer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would agree 90% of the marks are grime and oils, however, there are still slight abrasions...I've had mine (12" iBook) about 2 months and they seem to clean right off (I've done it twice now) but if the reflection is just right, you can still see them. They don't show up when the screen is on, only off and looking almost straight down the screen.

    I use those alcohol glasses wipes to clean screens. They work great and take everything right off without having to press or scrub.

  19. AppleCard by scot2342 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry to hear about the probs with Apple Care people have been experiencing. I called last Friday (10/31) to complain about the spots. Tuesay (11/4) at noon I had the shipping box AppleCare sent to ship the PowerBook. By Thursday at noon (48 hours later) I had the laptop back. Spots are gone! Everything seems to be in order. I was shocked at the turn around time considering I was quoted 5-7 days when I originally spoke with AppleCare on Halloween.