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Nintendo Resumes Production Of GameCube

Thanks to Gamesindustry.biz for their article revealing that GameCube consoles are rolling off the production lines in Japan once again, as revitalized demand for the system "finally outstrips the backlog of units which had built up at Nintendo's warehouses", following the suspension of GameCube manufacturing earlier this year. The article points out that "Recent price-drops combined with the roll-out of key software titles [including the Zelda bundle] for the machine in all three major markets have given the Cube new life in the run up to Christmas", as Nintendo VP George Harrison "...told the Wall Street Journal that he expects to sell two million Cubes in the US market this Christmas."

69 comments

  1. Not surprised. by nemui-chan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not surprised. For $100 I'd consider buying one just for the hell of it. There's nothing that I really want on it (until Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles comes out), but for that price, if I spend a few hours playing it EVER, then I've gotten my moneys worth.

    1. Re:Not surprised. by scot4875 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's nothing that I really want on it

      Then you're either not looking or too picky. There are plenty of top-notch titles in just about every genre available for the system. Far more than 'just' Mario and Zelda.

      Two suggestions I'll throw out are Eternal Darkness and Viewtiful Joe. Fantastic, unique games that you won't find on any other system. There are many more if you look.

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    2. Re:Not surprised. by Niobium-41 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Especially with the Zelda Pack being released on November 17th.

      You'll get 4 Zelda games (the 2 from the NES, and the 2 from the N-64) with the gamecube, all for $100 bucks.. That's the best deal, as far as gaming consoles goes, in a long time.

    3. Re:Not surprised. by Smedrick · · Score: 1

      I agree. Viewtiful Joe is the most unique and entertaining game I've played in long time.

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    4. Re:Not surprised. by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 3, Funny
      NES - $30
      Zelda 1 - $6
      Zelda 2 - $10
      N64 - $13
      Majora's Mask - $13
      Ocarina of Time - $5

      Total cost: $77

      And you don't even get a Gamecube!
      Yes, this bundle is truly a steal.

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    5. Re:Not surprised. by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 2, Informative

      I saw someone asking before how others can get the disc if they already have a GCN, or just bought one not long ago. Nintendo has details on their web site under Zelda Classic.

      Basically you can buy a subscription to Nintendo Power, or if you haven't registered your system yet, you can do that along with two other holiday release games.

    6. Re:Not surprised. by Goyuix · · Score: 1

      I read the page referenced in the above post - Zelda Classic - and I had a great idea...

      Add $15 or so to the subscription and send out a demo disc (or bonus disc?) each month - like what they have in the stores already. It shouldn't cost them more than about $1 each month as they are already making the discs....

      Basically for me, that would rock. Then I don't have to look like a doofus at Target kicking the little kids off so I can check out the latest demos and movies...

    7. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. It's a huge, huge pity that there are not more like it. It's got the most amazing graphics I've ever seen, on any system. Beautiful detailes cell-shaded graphics with animation that shows an amazing attention to detail. The gameplay is both innovative (with slow motion, speedup and zoom and other cool gameplay elements) and extremely playable and gratifying. It's hard, but not too hard.

      Oh, oh, and I've also bought F-Zero GX last week. I have no idea which game to play. I think my head is going to explode.

    8. Re:Not surprised. by FiberOpticMayhem · · Score: 1

      My only beef with the bundle is that Zelda: Link to the Past is not included in it. It's still my favorite Zelda game ever.

    9. Re:Not surprised. by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Are you surprised? They're still selling it (and in huge quantities I might add). Why would they give it away for free?

    10. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      With a nick like nemui-chan and a stated desire to play Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, you're probably a J-RPG fan (which is fine, unless you're one of those "Final Fantasy ONLY" weirdos). And so it's true, for the past few years, there have been very few RPGs to get excited about, except on Sony platforms and of course the GameBoy Advance.

      But at least in the near future, the GameCube is getting some pretty good releases. Tales of Symphonia is the latest GameCube-exclusive volume in Namco's "Tales" series. Baten Kaitos is a very anticipated card RPG. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles should appeal to the Seiken Densetsu crowd and the Final Fantasy crowd alike. And there are also Dreamcast RPGs like Evolution Worlds (ho-hum fare) and Skies of Arcadia Legends (fantastic, particularly to the lucky ones among us who have played Panzer Dragoon Saga). I won't present the Lost Kingdoms series or Summoner 2 (American game) as equivalents, but they definitely exist for people who are interested in them. As do Phantasy Star Online Episodes 1 & 2, with PSO 3 coming soon, for the MMORPG fans.

      If you ask me, the Cube is catching up with the GBA in terms of RPGs. And in the case of Tales of Symphonia (which is looking very hot, particularly compared to the Japanese PS2 "Tales of Destiny 2" release), things are looking very good. As an RPG and adventure game (Zelda!) fan, I'm extremely happy to have both my PS2 and my GameCube.

    11. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want Link's Awakening!

    12. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Then you're either not looking or too picky. There are plenty of top-notch titles in just about every genre available for the system. Far more than 'just' Mario and Zelda.

      Hmm.. lets see, that will be:
      FF(Legend of mana actually): CC, Viewtiful Joe, FZero, the 2 SW:RS games and Metroid Prime

      Coming soon:

      Pokemon:Something maybe Metroid prime 2.

      Eternal Darkness?? come on , Silent hill (any of the 3) is WAY better than that.

      Sorry but I just dont see what "Plenty of exclusive titles" you are talking about especially excluding Mario and Zelda (which are 3-4 titles tops: Wind Waker, Sunshine, Dash and... is there anyone who could count Golf and Party as top titles?)

      Anyone who has a N system knows that they care on quality not quantity (or at least thats what they say) and just about everyone complaint on the system is that they left you starving for good games for months before anything worth while is released.

    13. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You don't own a Cube, do you? How about you leave the comments about the system to those who know what we're talking about, instead of playing the ignorant hater position?

      As someone who owns a Cube and a PS2, let me say this: I've bought 5-6 times as many games for my Cube than for my PS2 in the past few weeks (and I typically buy a lot of games - I don't rent). Yeah, I took advantage of "The Sale" a few weeks ago (ask around). Less than half of those Cube games were cross-platform games that I bought for the Cube because they looked better and loaded faster than on my PS2. The rest were GameCube exclusives, either from Nintendo or from third-party publishers. In the past month, I bought Disgaea and Castlevania for PS2. That's it. Nothing else interested me. Normally it's maybe 5 games, depending on what's out, but this past month, almost nothing good was released on the PS2. And I was actually playing catch-up in buying Disgaea, since it was released months ago. Sony first-party stuff hasn't interested me since Ico, so SOCOM, Jak II and Going Commando aren't floating my boat. We'll see about FFX-2, and hopefully next month won't be another shitty PS2 month.

      And no, FFCC is not a followup to Legend of Mana. Consider it a Final Fantasy game in a greatly expanded Secret of Mana style, but there are no world-building elements to it.

    14. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I want my wife to let me do her in the kitchen while she makes me a sandwich, but we don't always get what we want now, do we.

    15. Re:Not surprised. by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      You forgot s/h.

    16. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      More like almost $90 NOT including shipping, and those are some very low prices. Plus, you'd have to find the RAM expansion pack in order to play Majora's Mask, so that can bring your cheap retro games shopping spree to much more than the cost of a GameCube with tax.

      This bundle is the best thing since sliced bread. And I fucking LOVE sliced bread.

    17. Re:Not surprised. by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You could always do what I did... I bought an N64 and a 'Cube for the same reason... Super Smash Bros (Melee in the case of the Cube).

      It's an awesome party game to play with friends, much like Mario Party 4 (which I have played but haven't purchased yet). And with the impending release of Mario Kart Double Dash (or whatever it's called) I'm glad I bought one when the price hit $99.

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    18. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! I want your wife to let me do her in the kitchen while she makes you a sandwich too, what a coincidence!

    19. Re:Not surprised. by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Should've waited till the auctions ended and added S/H

      NES - $39 + $12 S/H
      Zelda 1 - $8 + $3.50 S/H
      Zelda 2 - $10 + $2.50 S/H
      N64 - $13 + $5.50 S/H
      Majora's Mask - $14 + $4 S/H
      Ocarina of Time - $5 + $4 S/H

      Total Cost: $120

      Sucker.

    20. Re:Not surprised. by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      Who is a sucker? I was pointing out that the bundle was a lot better deal but apparently you didn't read my actual comment. Also, the fact that I didn't include shipping and handling has already been noted.

      Maybe you should get an education and then come back to Slashdot. You make yourself look rather stupid.

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    21. Re:Not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap, I want to eat that sandwich.

    22. Re:Not surprised. by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 0, Troll

      You don't own a Cube, do you? How about you leave the comments about the system to those who know what we're talking about, instead of playing the ignorant hater position?

      Yawn. Please, can we stop this "You are a hater!" business please as it is very boring.


      As someone who owns a Cube and a PS2, let me say this: I've bought 5-6 times as many games for my Cube than for my PS2 in the past few weeks (and I typically buy a lot of games - I don't rent).

      Sorry, what is this supposed to prove other than your own personal gaming tastes?

      As a GC, Xbox and PS2 owner there are only two GC games that I consider worth owning - Eternal Darkness and Monkey Ball. I got F-Zero GX but that is going back to be swapped for Viewtiful Joe. I prefer Wipeout 3SE to be honest.

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    23. Re:Not surprised. by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

      Then you're either not looking or too picky. There are plenty of top-notch titles in just about every genre available for the system. Far more than 'just' Mario and Zelda.

      Or, you know, the games just aren't to his taste. I actually agree with his statement as there is very little on the GC that has interested me at all.


      Two suggestions I'll throw out are Eternal Darkness and Viewtiful Joe. Fantastic, unique games that you won't find on any other system.

      Eternal Darkness is one of my 'current-gen' favourites so far, but it certainly isn't unique.

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    24. Re:Not surprised. by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Eternal Darkness is one of my 'current-gen' favourites so far, but it certainly isn't unique.

      Yeah, I guess the whole 2-millennium-spanning, 12-character-playing, insanity-effect-generating genre has been done to death.

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    25. Re:Not surprised. by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah, I guess the whole 2-millennium-spanning, 12-character-playing, insanity-effect-generating genre has been done to death.

      They are just gimics in the survival-horror genre. Timesplitters did it before ED (minus the insanity effects), but that hardly makes it a unique game.

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  2. Zelda Game Bundle? by HaloZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For a while there was talk of a Zelda GameCube bundle, with all of the Zelda games, plus the new-er iteration. Really looking forward to it - first reason to actually buy a GameCube. Perhaps this is the first step in seeing that roll out? Probably a Christmas hold off.

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    1. Re:Zelda Game Bundle? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Informative

      Zelda Bundle is Confirmed for November 17th- woo hoo! I will be getting mine then.

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    2. Re:Zelda Game Bundle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's going to be released on the day Super Mario Kart Gamecube is released.

    3. Re:Zelda Game Bundle? by SamSim · · Score: 1

      It distresses me immensely that the most hotly anticipated upcoming release on the GameCube is actually a re-release of games that are already out. The only GCN games that people are interested in are updates of old franchises like Metroid, F-Zero. Is there seriously nothing else coming out that is original and worth getting excited about?

    4. Re:Zelda Game Bundle? by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      There are quite a few updated NGC games that I surely love. Pikmin for example. That game is freaking weird. I love it. Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader, and Rogue Squadron III. Love II, can't wait to see III. Metroid Primus - yeah, redo of an older franchise, but still a great game. I'm sure there are others that I just can't think of right now that are absolutely great, atleast in my book.

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  3. Re:Where's Mike? by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm here, but I never said they were doomed to fail. Just that they were losing big in the US and still are. They are basing that 2 million number on the fact that sales skyrockted for the one week after the price dropped. Well duh. But will they sustain it through the holiday season to hit 2 million consoles in the US from now until 1/1/04? Even given 4 weeks to pull it off they would have to sell 250k consoles per week. Clearly not. At best its wishful thinking, at worst they are deceiving investors. But then they aren't really an American company so they can lie all they want over here.

    Hey, you can keep Mario Kart, I bought it once before, I'm still not going to buy a console just to play the same games again.

  4. Another Possible Explaination by Thedalek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What with the recent ruling by the Library of Congress regarding copying obsolete video games, the Gamecube was, technically an obsolete system. The actual wording of the law was that a system shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured OR is no longer reasonably available on the commercial market. Since only one of those conditions needs to be true, Nintendo may have resumed production just to keep copying of GameCube games illegal. Makes me wonder if they'll start making NES, SNES, and Virtual Boy systems again, but they'd also have to make them "reasonably available on the commercial market" (pre-owned doesn't count as "commercial").

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    1. Re:Another Possible Explaination by phauxfinnish · · Score: 1

      wouldn't be too hard to have them available online (does that count as reasonably available?) and its not like too many people would be interested, maybe a few thousand units each of (S)NES and one or two Virtual Boys.

    2. Re:Another Possible Explaination by simoniker · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Copyright Office/Library Of Congress ruling only applies to access protection circumvention under the DMCA - all copyrights are still valid, so if you copy 'abandonware', or even circumvent copy protection, it's still illegal.

      There's been a lot of confusion about this, unfortunately, but the access circumvention was mainly to allow official institutions (who may or may not be allowed to keep a limited amount of copies for archival purposes) to archive old software properly. There's some possibility that if you personally own old software that only has access controls, and you want to make a copy, that may be allowed, but IANAL, heh.

    3. Re:Another Possible Explaination by Thedalek · · Score: 1

      Emm...

      I didn't say otherwise. However, with the system classified as "obsolete", it would be perfectly legal for you to make backups of Gamecube games you own, and by extension, it would be legal to purchase devices which allowed such circumvention.

      Nintendo was the one who basically purchased laws prohibiting game-cartridge copying hardware, and really don't want people backing up Gamecube games in the first place.

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  5. Re:Where's Mike? by AtaruMoroboshi · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Still are?

    Did you miss the news that they doubled their market share already?

    the xbox is now in third place.

    .

  6. Re:Where's Mike? by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    It's nice to know that the "Haven't you heard? Nintendo doesn't make the GameCube anymore!" trolls will have to find a new line.

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  7. I'm going to buy a GameCube... by herrvinny · · Score: 1

    When Pokemon Colosseum comes out. I'm also going to grab the GBA game adapter for the GameCube, along with Rebel Strike and Zelda. But I won't even consider getting a GameCube without Colosseum. Anyone at Nintendo listening?

  8. mmmh by imperator_mundi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't really think that "stop the production of the gamecube" "dropping the price" "restart the production" are three unrelated decision... maybe I'm just xfiling (but well the thruth is out ther, no?), but to me it sounds like a multi step marketing strategy:

    1) Big N claims that GC struggle in misery, developper ain't to do any further game, etc.

    2) This generation of consoles is over (or so says Nintendo), everybody start to speak about GC2, Xbox2, PS3, Big N stops the production of the GC.

    3) Price are dropped so much that everybody who possibly would rather play Zelda or Mario buy the GC (hey man it's just 99 bucks)

    4) Nintendo starts the stats festival: "we're up of 3% while the others are down of 15%", GC+GBA dominate the console market with a combined share of more than 50%, etc

    5) Eventually Nintendo restarts the production of the GC, so the next Xmas season will start with a diffuse feeling that Nintendo is doing very well and GC is about to win the console's war.

    1. Re:mmmh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. Nintendo never claimed that they were ceasing production indefinitely, or that they were stopping games production or development. If you were confused about this, I can hardly imagine how many others were as well. That kind of confusion is hardly the kind of thing that Nintendo would want to risk.

      2. The last thing Nintendo (or Sony, or M$) wants is for people to ignore the current generation in anticipation of the next. That simply leads to lost revenue for both the console manufacturers and the game publishers they are supporting.

      3. The price drop was designed to clear inventory, but it was an easy step to make. The fast and loose rumor on the net is that the Cube costs $20 to manufacture. I don't support that low number, but I have no reason to doubt that Nintendo is still profiting from Cube sales at the $99 price point, either. The raw materials at face value are less expensive than for either the PS2 or the Xbox, and prices at the component level must be comparable. But the lack of DVD Consortium licensing fees must help here, same way it helps Microsoft (DVD software is in DVD pack, can't play DVDs without it).

      4. Nintendo's statistics gamesmanship is no different than anyone else's. Trumpet your wins and ignore your losses. Sega did the same thing in the Dreamcast days, and we lost them for good. Not enough people fought the good fight and supported them (DC games are awesome). But Nintendo was smart in its timing. Starting the holiday season with good news is brilliant, because shoppers who do any kind of research at all see this and take it into consideration. Microsoft is currently trying to play this game by bragging about how 83,652 gamers played on Xbox Live this past weekend. Well, that's chump change when the installed base of console owners are in the XX millions, but I digress. The point is, everybody dresses up for the media.

      5. Bingo. I was responding to your points on a point-by-point basis, so I didn't know you had come to this conclusion when I typed what I typed above. Eh, I'll leave the paragraph alone.

    2. Re:mmmh by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      You're thinking too much. They weren't selling, so they halted production. They cut prices, so people bought more. Having sold out their excess inventory, they are restarting production. All sound buisness decisions, nothing shady at all.

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  9. Re:Where's Mike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mike, you are ever the trustworthy analyst. You seem to have a strong anti-Nintendo bias, what with every one of your gaming posts being a backhanded slap at them. But hey, we all know how right you were about the NGage being so freaking awesome in comparison with the GameBoy Advance, so I guess you've helped us all realize how pathetic Nintendo is.

    Keep it up, buddy. Your cred around here is skyrocketing.

  10. Finally good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, this are good news for the Big N!, I couldnt believe some people were happy with some pointless discount, and a new line up of games that includes pacman for 4 players, meanwhile their console was basically discontinued. Good for you! now let good titles for next year roll. ...

    1. Re:Finally good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re pointless discount: $50 is a lot of money to many people. If given the opportunity to save $50 on something I was planning to buy anyways, I'd take it. If I wasn't already planning on buying something, I might now consider it. I think that was the point.

      Re discontinuation: It was never discontinued. The production halt was always planned to be temporary, as a stock-clearing mechanism. Don't think that Dell keeps the lines rolling 24/7 on Optiplex systems, either.

      Re Cube lineup: The Pacman game has almost nobody excited, except some overly-retro folks like me, and maybe some gaming parents. But lots of the current and upcoming games do, incuding Mario Kart, Killer 7, the upcoming J-RPGs, etc. Recent releases can't be ignored, with Soul Calibur 2 (Link edition), Simpsons Hit & Run, F-Zero GX, Viewtiful Joe, Auto Modellista, Ninja Turtles, P.N. 03, Mega Man Network Transmission, SSX3, and Billy Hatcher throwing some weight around in Cube-Land.

      I like my PS2 a lot too, but Nintendo 1st-party exclusives and 3rd-party exclusives and multiplatform games have honestly been a lot more exciting on the Cube for the past 2-3 months. If it wasn't for RPGs and the odd retro-homage game like MGS2, Rygar, Contra:SS, or Castlevania:LoI, I could live without the PS2 at this point.

  11. Gamecube now #2 - IGN.com by BTWR · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to this story from IGN, Nintento sales have quadrupled and market share has doubled. From the article:

    GameCube now runs a 'strong second' to PlayStation 2 in monthly sales, at least based on October sell-through data." It doubled its previous 19 percent [marketshare] piece of the pie to 37 percent. Combined with sales of Game Boy Advance SP -- it accounts for 'half of all system sales in 2003.

    1. Re:Gamecube now #2 - IGN.com by Shadarr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure "market share" in this context refers to percentage of total consoles sold that month, rather than percentage of total consoles sold ever. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure PS2 still holds a huge lead in total sales this generation (not counting the GBA).

  12. Re:Where's Mike? by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

    Still are?

    Did you miss the news that they doubled their market share already?

    the xbox is now in third place.


    You are confusing 'market share' with 'user base'.

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  13. You forgot one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    6) Profit!

  14. Re:Where's Mike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True. When Xbox hit its alltime high of 24% market share earlier this year during the DOAXBV release, the Cube fans had nothing to fear. The worldwide installed base of the Cube was still much higher than that of the Xbox.

    Now that the Cube is doing 37% market share, the Xbox fans also have nothing to fear. Although the Cube lead is again growing, the lead itself had since shrunken to within 200,000 units of the 3rd-place Xbox by the next financial quarter from then.

  15. And american companies don't lie? by Hecatonchires · · Score: 1

    What world are you living in?

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  16. Re:Where's Mike? by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 1

    Clearly you are confusing "market share" as in sales for the week, versus "installed user base" which is consoles in homes. The second is the important number in every venue but Nintendo of America press releases. C'mon man, know what you are talking about before you try to correct someone. Mod this man down -1 Just Plain Wrong.

  17. Re:Where's Mike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My bad, that should be 8 weeks. Ya preview and ya preview....

  18. Re:Where's Mike? by scot4875 · · Score: 1

    I'm still not going to buy a console just to play the same games again.

    Ok, enjoy Tomb Raider and Sonic on your n-Gage.

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  19. Re:Where's Mike? by AtaruMoroboshi · · Score: 1


    Um... they doubled their installed base.

    Every gamestore owner I've talked to has told me the Gamecube is flying off the shelves, selling better than it ever has.

    .

  20. Re:Where's Mike? by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    No, they didn't. You don't understand what you are talking about.

  21. Re:Where's Mike? by AtaruMoroboshi · · Score: 1

    care to explain it then, slowly and in detail, so that I might understand?

    .

  22. Re:Where's Mike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't bother asking. Mike Hawk rarely provides details to back up his posts---instead preferring to leave his posts vague and ambigious.

  23. Re:Where's Mike? by Mike+Mentalist · · Score: 1

    care to explain it then, slowly and in detail, so that I might understand?

    When Nintendo said that they had doubled their market share after the price drop, that meant that they were suddenly selling twice as many consoles and no extra PS2's or Xbox's were being sold.

    Example:

    Pre-price drop, the percentage of consoles being sold was 50% PS2, 30% Xbox and 20% GC.

    Post price drop, the percentage of consoles being sold was 40% PS2, 20% Xbox and 40% GC.


    Note that this doesn't mean that sales for the PS2 and Xbox dropped, it just means that sales for the GC rose.

    Nintendo most certainly have not doubled their installed userbase in such a short time - that would mean selling a few million consoles in less than a month and totally outselling the PS2 as well.

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  24. Re:Where's Mike? by Daetrin · · Score: 2, Informative
    "The second is the important number in every venue but Nintendo of America press releases."

    I'll agree with you that the installed base is by far the more important factor, although i wouldn't say that market share is completly irrelevant.

    However it's a bit biased of you to be singling out Nintendo for this behavior. Every time something similar happens to Sony or Microsoft they crow about it just as loudly. How long has Microsoft been claiming that they're beating Nintendo in the console wars, and how often do they remember to mention that thwy're talking about America, and they're third place world wide in installed user base? When Sony was talking about how much better than the Dreamcast the PS2 was going to be, did they ever mention that it was going to have almost no games at launch and comparable graphics? They're _all_ guilty of that kind of crap, the only thing that changes is which positive looking number they're touting this week.

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  25. Sweet! by ChewBakaSan · · Score: 1

    This is a good thing, Because Nintendo has always had the games like Zelda and Mario, and it would be sad if those games disappeared.

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  26. Re:Where's Mike? by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 1

    Did you see Mr. Mentalist's explanation?

    Do you understand now?

    Do not correct people when you do not understand what you are talking about.

  27. Re:Where's Mike? by AtaruMoroboshi · · Score: 1


    perhaps if you were less interested in being a dick and more interested in being informative, you would have made it clear what you were talking about right from the get go.