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Penn State Students to Get Free Music From Napster

Mr. Show writes "Napster and Penn State have unveiled a deal to give faculty and students free access to music beginning next spring. The deal would give students only limited access to downloads, so presumably most of the free music will come through the streaming service that would otherwise cost a monthly fee. Will this help curb piracy on college campuses?" It might, except for students that don't run Windows.

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  1. There is no free lunch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least in this case. The students (and taxpayers to a degree) will be paying for it as part of their tuition.

    1. Re:There is no free lunch by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, the taxpayers also help pay for Nittany Lions football (which not everyone watches), concerts at the stadium (which not everyone attends), etc. etc.

      Tax money goes to pay for stuff. That's how it works. Not everyone benefits from every single tax expenditure. GET OVER IT.

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    2. Re:There is no free lunch by nerotik · · Score: 5, Interesting

      OK, on one hand you've got a point... especially seeing as how this comes on the heels of the largest tuition increase at PSU in over 20 years.

      Then again, lets look at the numbers. Napster charges $9.95 a month for unlimited streaming. The deal is only for the 13,000 or so students in the dorms. So that's around $130,000 a month, not including any discounts the University is getting. So for the 8 months of regular sessions we're looking at around $1 million dollars (again not including discounts) to keep the kids streaming. Penn State's operating budget for 2000-2001 was over $2 billion dollars, so that million bucks or so is really only a drop in the bucket. At my school we got "free" buss passes and "free" software all paid for through liscensing agreements negotiated by the unversity, so why not "free" music as well, especially if it helps the university avoid hassles from the RIAA?

    3. Re:There is no free lunch by wankledot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      especially if it helps the university avoid hassles from the RIAA?

      Exactly. Even if this doesn't stop piracy at all, it gives the perception that PSU is giving in to legal music services, and encouraging people to move away from the illegal ones.

      And if there's one truth in all the media world it's this: groups like the RIAA work on perception, not reality.

      If this is PSU's way of tossing a can of shark-repellant at the RIAA's lawyers, I don't blame them one bit.

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    4. Re:There is no free lunch by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It could also help fund the research that makes things like the Internet and cures for diseases possible.

      Universities are where these things happen.

      Things that benefit society are infinitely more important than giving students a refund.

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    5. Re:There is no free lunch by UniverseIsADoughnut · · Score: 2, Informative

      " Yeah, the taxpayers also help pay for Nittany Lions football (which not everyone watches), concerts at the stadium (which not everyone attends), etc. etc.
      "
      No tax payer money goes to fund the football team. In fact in the 6-7 home games each year the profits from ticket sales and so forth pay for all PSU athletics and then some. The university makes money off the football program. No state money is used. In fact you pay less in state taxes because of the football team.

      Also there are no concerts at Beaver Stadium, concerts are at the Bryce Jordan Center, which once again makes money for the school.

    6. Re:There is no free lunch by JohnsonWax · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, the taxpayers also help pay for Nittany Lions football (which not everyone watches)

      Wow, things really have changed since I moved out of PA. A decade ago not having a Joe Paterno shrine in your dining room was just cause for deportation to New Jersey.

  2. Great, more crap to raise tuition.... by Sikmaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about those people who have no interest in downloading music legally or otherwise? Why do they have to have this cost come out of their tuition?

    I say leave it up to each individual student.

    1. Re:Great, more crap to raise tuition.... by smack_attack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From those, according to their ability.
      To those, according to their need.

      Ah, the mantra of Socialism. :X

  3. What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by physicsnerd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Umm, let me get this stright. If you're a student at Penn State part of your fees go to pay for this music service. However, to take advantage of this music service you must own a Windows 2K/XP machine. So if you don't have a 2K or XP box you're paying for other people to listen to music? What about all the students who are still running NT/95/98/Me or Mac/Linux/Solaris/ect? While I'd bet a good 80 to 90% are running 2K or XP what is the school doing about the rest? If I was a student at Penn State I'd be asking for a partial refund of my fees. How do you Penn students feel about your fees going to this?

    1. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of the students' money goes to paying the salary of a professor that will never teach them, too. Some science students pay lab fees, but might not be taking lab classes that semester.

      Lots of your tuition money goes to pay for lots of things that you never use or that will never benefit you. This is no different, and it's nothing to whine about.

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    2. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by Skapare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The salaries are paid from tuition, state funding, and research grants, not from the extra fees charged for student facilities. And even if you are looking at the money that does go to paying professors as a pool, you get far more out of those few professors you do take classes from than what your percentage of the pool paid them. In the end it works out approximately even; maybe a few cents off here and there. But for a student service specifically designated only for specific set of students, which offers nothing as an alternative for those it does not serve (remember, paying professors does not mean 10% of the students don't get to take classes).

      As for paying lab fees even if you take no lab classes; that might be broken. When I was in school, lab fees applied only when you actually took the lab classes. But I never went to Penn State, so I have no idea how it's done there. Still, if they charge what results in a level fee each semester and you have to take a fixed number of lab classes to meet requirements, it works out in the end, and your costs are flattened out, too. So maybe it's not broken.

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    3. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by Basehart · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly, and this isn't about offering free music, it's about pushing a proprietary file format.

      Why is it that whenever there's a shady deal going down, something that just doesn't sit right, like this ridiculous Napster scam for example, you can bet Microsoft is involved every time.

    4. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by acaben · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just a quick note... My dad is the one who's working on the live.psu.edu site. It's running on apache and php on MacOS X Server. The server's getting hammered today, he says, but the machine's holding up quite well. It's a shame that open source and Mac technologies can be used to promote this new Napster program at PSU, and yet students with machines running similar OS's will be wasting their fees paying for a service they can't use. It's a shame PSU couldn't figure out way to work with the cross-platform iTunes Music store.

    5. Re:What if you don't have a 2K/XP box? by Suppafly · · Score: 3, Funny

      If I was a student at Penn State I'd be asking for a partial refund of my fees. How do you Penn students feel about your fees going to this?

      Yeh, and I'm sure they'd refund them just like the refund fees for blind people that don't watch tv and fat people that don't use the rec. center and crippled people that can't use the pool.

  4. Fun Times with stream rippers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ahhh I can smell the stream rippers now. Smells like Napster Marshmellows all over again :)

  5. Sounds good, but ... by MacEnvy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What about the students that DON'T use Windows? Believe me, there are plenty of us. Year after year, decision after decision, school administrations on every level create environments more inhospitable to non-MS users. This may be going too far - by using a service that mandates MS, and a service that EVERY college student is going to want to use - the use of Macs and Linux (there are a few of us using Linux, yes) is discouraged. This is unhealthy for both the integrity of networks and free thought itself.

    Hopefully someone will come up with a multi-platform interface for the new Napster service. If not, you can bet that I'd be knocking on the door of the CTO, demanding matching funds for iTunes!

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    1. Re:Sounds good, but ... by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A better question is: Why should Penn State not do something that benefits 95+% of their student body just because they can't offer it to another 5%?

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  6. Not Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those who read a little more closely, the service is not being offered for free. The cost of the monthly subscription is covered by the $160 service fee that on-campus students are required to pay if they want to hook up to the network.

    Presumably, Napster offered a steep discount on the $9.95 monthly fee, but I'm sure it's not free.

    1. Re:Not Free by GamezCore.com · · Score: 2, Informative

      ummm... in case you didn't notice we pay the $160 no matter what. They didn't raise it to compensate, they are actually giving us more for our money... which is pretty rare in college, so I wouldn't complain too loudly.

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  7. I have a problem with the story here by Tim_F · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The poster of the story assumes that a majority of the students at this University run Linux as their desktop operating system. One simply need to look to Slashdot to find out that even among nerds this is not the case. The vast majority of hits that Slashdot gets comes from Microsoft Internet Explorer.

    This is a good deal for the students of this University. They will be able to legally get access to quality music in an open format while probably just paying a minute increase in their tuition. Who wouldn't want to do this.

    Any of the minority of the students that use Linux should just stick to pirating. The RIAA hardly cares enough about their OS fo choice to waste their money going after them.

    1. Re:I have a problem with the story here by dema · · Score: 2

      They will be able to legally get access to quality music in an open format while probably just paying a minute increase in their tuition.

      Maybe because the PSU students have been kicked around enough by tuition?

  8. Mac users streaming on campus by pazu13 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As a college student, I'd like to note that on my campus mac users (and some windows users too, probably) are making use of the miracle of iTunes.

    Since the newest version of iTunes lets you share music across the network, a large number of students have simply opened up their lists for perusing and playing. (Downloading, as far as I know, is impossible.)

    Because no one is downloading the files, so clearly is just benefitting from sampling the music (that is, some people will almost definitely purchase CDs when they find themselves deprived of permanent access to songs that they like. -Ideally. I realize I am a bit optimistic), I feel that this should be legal, even though I realize that it's probably not. However, I find it amusing that even though iTunes warns you that you should only share music with yourself -presumably when on some other computer on the network with iTunes- it allows multiple users to be logged in at the same time, and doesn't require that you set a password. So the system has essentially set itself up to be abused.

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  9. Use Wine. by DraconPern · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It might, except for students that don't run Windows
    How's that a problem? Just use Wine.
  10. What is College for? by tintruder · · Score: 5, Insightful
    While this is convenient for the students, and certinly contributes to the battle against the extra-legal oppression of RIAA / DMCA etc., I still wonder what is going on at the colleges.

    Perhaps I'd see access to music as a critical component of college attendance if the college attended were Juilliard.

    But in general, public colleges obtain 75%+ of their funding from the taxpayer, not from tuition.

    So I'd like to see the students dedicating as much time, effort and money to LEARNING as they do to downloading music.

    It is simply a matter of priorities, and the priority at college ought to be education.

    And for those who would ridicule the above because you happen to also like music, consider the waste of money because the vast majority of college freshman show up requiring courses so rudimentary they ought to be considered "remedial". Basically, what they spend the first year or two doing, they should have learned in Junior High.

    This lack of focus on EDUCATION, which is really what college is for, costs everybody money whether you are a student or not.

    1. Re:What is College for? by altek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But in general, public colleges obtain 75%+ of their funding from the taxpayer, not from tuition.

      A number I pulled right out of my ass!

      Seriously, how can you just arbitrarily post random statistics without backing it up whatsoever? If you can prove that data, please do, because I have serious doubts that 75% of a university's operating budget comes from joe taxpayer.

      While I do agree with you that a large number of incoming college freshman are not very well prepared, the blame for that lies not with the college, but the high schools, parents, society, whatever you like. But not the college, because they haven't even been there yet.

      Besides, do you want a bunch of burnt out drones coming out of college? College is about education, but it's also about a well-rounded, liberal education. A college campus is supposed to be a hotbed of ideas and innovation. Music promotes creativity, and creativity promotes "good things for you."

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  11. Re:wine by Pompatus · · Score: 5, Funny

    WINE MOTHERFUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides By the inequities of Microsoft Windows and the tyranny of Bill Gates. Blessed is he who, in the name of open source and good will, Shepherds the newbie through the screens of blue, For he is trulely a computer scientist, and the finder of lost productivity. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger Those who spread virii and worms throughout my networks. And you will know my name is the Guru when I lay my code upon thee."

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  12. Re:Content versus key. by BizidyDizidy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both are information. But I guess only some information is free. What is the point of a key by the way? To lock up content? Doesn't it want to be free? I don't know why you wouldn't tell me then. What's your home address?

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  13. As a Penn State Student by IAmATuringMachine! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a Penn State Student and a Mac geek, I did my part to write in complaints to the administration and the school paper about how this isolates people using other platforms. Well, other platform anyway - iTunes is certainly the lesser of the evils - but I fear Linux simply won't be supported by any major online music store [that uses DRM].

    It's funny that just yesterday our paper ran a feature on how much students here like iTunes and then today say "Napster!" Similarly, last week they had a feature on how a lot of the labs are going to Mac OS X.

    Hopefully my writein as a "computer science graduate student" will perk up some ears...

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  14. iTMS nor napster can please everyone by spyrZ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about people like me who listen to international bands? We're left out in the dark, and therefore we still must illegally download music to get our fix one way or another. And to make it worse, I'm a Mac user, so WINE won't even run on PowerPC architecture. Honestly, I don't think Napster nor Penn State even took into consideration the people who don't run Windows, since most kids honestly get sucked up at the local Best Buy "$600 Steal--perfect for college student" "deals" that include XP.

  15. RIAA Board Member On PSU Board by acaben · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's why a useless, crappy, DRM'd version of these songs is being offered to Penn State instead of an AAC and the usage rights that Apple's iTunes offers.

    There's a member of the RIAA's board on Penn State's Board of Trustees.

    That's the reason this is going on. They're charing all kinds of fees to a bunch of students who can't even USE the service on their Macs, and providing shitty DRM'd technology to those who have PCs just so a member of their board can buy another yacht. I think it's rather dispicable.

    1. Re:RIAA Board Member On PSU Board by acaben · · Score: 2, Informative
      Barry Robinson.

      And, I guess he's not a member of the board, but Senior Counsel. I guess that means he's responsible for suing grandparents and little girls.

  16. In related news.. by sommerfeld · · Score: 2, Funny


    Penn State Strikes Deals with Napster, Budweiser

  17. Free is no longer what I am after by jbs0902 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It might stop some downloaders, but at this point it has become political for me.

    I want to bankrupt the bastards. They had every opportunity to replace their outdated failing business model with a new successful model. Now after 5+ years, Draconian laws, and plenty of lawsuits, life is a bit worse and Apple brought them kicking and screaming into a successful form of on-line business.

    Let them fail.
    Let a more successful business rise in their place.

    It is not called piracy
    It is called capitalism.

  18. There is a transfer of lunches by lpret · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You have no idea about college networks do you? Recent statistics (at the bottom) have shown that nearly 80% of a typical campus network traffic is filesharing. If that can be curbed, then the network will become more stable and be able to handle traffic better. This also means less resources needed which translates directly into money.

    So the money saved by reducing network traffic is probably more than the 130,000 that this deal requires of the school. Furthermore, I'm sure Napster charged them less than that because it opens the door to other schools. So, the school is banking on less money spent on IT, better protection against the RIAA, and gets great publicity as a "technologically advanced" school. It's more like Penn State is saving money by giving it's students a free lunch.

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    1. Re:There is a transfer of lunches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They'll still be downloading stuff. Music is *tiny* compared to the stuff people are after these days. TV shows, movies and games are the things most students are now after, and they're the biggest.

    2. Re:There is a transfer of lunches by penguinland · · Score: 2, Informative

      the network will become more stable and be able to handle traffic better. This also means less resources needed which translates directly into money.

      This is one of the silliest things I have heard all day. As a college student, I assure you that most campus networks (the one here and the ones my CS friends at other schools talk about) are set up to handle much more traffic than they currently get. My school, for example is running 2 T3 lines, so a little filesharing is not particularly taxing on the system. Also, since it's on all the time, no one saves any money if we simply don't use it. Finally, you have got to be kidding yourself if you think that using less bandwidth (even if it did save you money) would save more than $130,000 per month. That is a lot of money - as was mentioned in a previous post, that is about $1million per year. There is no way that any school could save that much from decreased bandwidth (actually, I expect that this deal will increase bandwidth, because now the students against illegal file sharing will start downloading music too).

      This is obviously just a way to get the RIAA to back off and stop bullying them. I for one cannot think of another reason why this could be reasonable or economical.

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  19. More Information by bamberg29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I submitted this earlier today, but was rejected. So here's what I had to say. It contains a bit more information.

    After the University of Rochester announced last week in its school newspaper that students there would be offered legal music downloads starting the spring semester, Penn State President Graham B. Spanier announced today that his University has signed an agreement with Napster to launch a program in which Penn State will make Napster's Premium Service available at no cost to its students. This comes from the annual EDUCAUSE meeting of thousands of information technology administrators from universities around the country. Most notably are the panelists who are part of a P2P file sharing disscussion. They include, Cary Sherman of the RIAA, Jack Valenti of the MPAA, the Provost of the University of Rochester, and the President of Penn State. Too bad it's Napster and not iTunes.

  20. Re:Thanks, Mr Insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know what they need next?

    They need to charge students $500 per semester so they can be provided with a free X-Box and games. Oh, and another $300 so they can watch free movies.

    What fucking robbery. Why the hell is a university buying entertainment services for its students rather than letting them spend their own damn money?