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The Case for the Moon
apsmith writes "Continuing the flurry of recent hearings on the future of humans in space, a Senate committee on Thursday heard testimony in favor of a return to the Moon. Former senator and moon-walker Harrison Schmitt and physicist David Criswell see the lunar surface as an immense energy resource, just waiting to be tapped. Astronomer Roger Angel sees the lunar south pole as the ideal astronomical observatory, with locations for telescopes 100 times better than anything we've done so far. And geologist Paul Spudis sees a lot of unfinished business on the Moon, to develop it as the "feedstock of an industrial space infrastructure." TransOrbital also sent written testimony."
I feel that most of the advantages mentioned for another moon project would also apply to a large expanse of oceanfront property I've had my eye on near Cancun, given a sufficient level of government support. I even have a white paper detailing the implementation, at a far reduced cost. Oh, and the command center would be *so* sweet...
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Probably one of my favorite Astronomy Professors at the University of Arizona. He's never satisfied with the status quo. I know of other projects he's spearheaded, and he is always pushing the envelope of Astronomical Engineering.
Ideas like "faster" mirrors for sky surveys (and asteroid watching) - where the limitation is that the mirror would gather so much information at once, its too fast for modern computers to process, and modern busses to transport.
This is just one more example of ideas he's been dotting over.
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For anyone interested, this story's author, apsmith, also wrote a longer, more detailed version of this story entitled "Politicians Catch The Space Bug", available here. It's an excellent read.
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There is also supposed to be a lot of Helium-3 which many scientists consider an excellent fuel for a fusion reactor.
Why not? Competition is a good thing - competing with the USSR helped the US get to the moon in less than a decade. Competition from Craig Venter/Celera pushed the NIH to finish sequencing the human genome in half the projected time.
Without competition, the government will just lumber along, chewing up money and then maybe or maybe not get to a useful endpoint. External competition helps government agencies become much more goal-oriented.
"The Case for Mars", which makes the arguement that we should ignore the moon and instead head on out to the fourth planet.
His arguements:
1) In terms of energy, it's easier to go to Mars from LEO than the moon. (Takes longer, though.)
2) Mars is a more interesting destination: because it has an atmosphere, a lot of engineering obstacles are solved because you can do all sorts of nifty engineering tricks to steal resources from the air.
3) The moon is dead, and has always been dead. Mars, on the other hand, perhaps even once supported life. With effort on our part, perhaps it could again.
Anyways, go to the Mars Direct site.
-Brett
After the final lunar landings in 1972, NASA and the nation were at a crossroads. We landed on the moon but this was partially to make sure the Russians did not do so first. With the "Great Society" in the works and Vietnam still raging, the space program was put on the back burner in favor or funding for social programs and military expenditures. Russia never went to the moon and it looks to be at least until 2010 before China might try, thus there was no political incentive to sacrifice pork projects or "social" programs in favor of expanded space projects.
Though the Space Shuttle was supposed to reduce space travel costs dramatically and allow for low-cost LEO (Low Earth Orbit) launches, the costs proved so much greater than expected that NASA spends most of its budget maintaining the aging fleet and is hard-pressed to spare the cash for developing new launch vehicles. It was thought that space stations launched via space shuttle would be used as waystations to revisit the moon, but as the shuttles cost so much to move around, that plan became bunk fairly quickly.
We must return to the moon. Its natural vacuum and near-constant illuminated surface allow for massive energy and chemical manufacturing. Deadly plagues and other research requiring isolation could be done easily on our moon with minimal fear of contaminating the earth should their projects go awry. Telescopes on the far side of the moon would give us a new view of the universe uninterrupted by light (and for SETI et. al not so many electronic signals interfereing). If nothing else, the He-3 and solar resources could eventually help reduce our dependence on limited fossil fuels to run our economy. Some of the readers remember the OPEC crisis and no one wants those conditions to return. Finally, the moon serves as a waypoint to exploration of Mars and the Asteroid Belt, both of which contain abundant resources that could satiate our world's demands for resources far beyond the lifetimes of anyone reading this.
I'd like to hear from people who do not want to go back to the moon. Most of the soical programs they advocate funding in place of space exploration have their own difficulties, but maybe there are other reasons they have which get little/no attention.
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i've been told, don't see a "man in the moon" at all.
apparently they see a rabbit.
i checked it out the other night, and it does look like a rabbit.
The Moon is just not worth it in terms of energy and materials - if you want solar collectors, a better place for them is in HEEO (highly elliptic Earth orbit), which experiences 99% sunshine, versus 50% for a location on the lunar surface. Add to that the difficulty in breaking down the highly oxidized lunar regolith, and the transporting the equipment to do so to the Moon, and you have one very expensive mining operation.
The Moon may be useful as a platform for observatories (both optical and radio), but it's important to recognize that those are not commercially viable enterprises.
Now, if you want to build things in space (solar collectors, colonies, etc), the best place to go looking for materials is the NEOs (Near Earth objects) that pass close to the Earth on a regular basis. About half of the NEOs out there are main belt asteriods that have had their orbits perturbed by Jupiter. The other half are extinct comets that have been pulled into short-term orbits and had all the ice in the first few meters of their surface removed. Between these two, you have everything you need: metals, organics, water, clays, salts, etc. All things that the Moon is severely lacking in. It has been remarked upon that the slag left over from processing the average NEO would be worht more than regolith.
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Vpered na Mars!
Yes, I personally know a certain $87 billion that was much better spent here.
Seriously though, this arguement is an endless loop. There will ALWAYS be problems here on earth. People will ALWAYS say things were better in the past/things need to be improved now, because many believe that eventually everything will be 'perfect'.
The effort must not be one of colonization, but of terra-forming. Mars has no atmosphere because it is too light.
In case you weren't aware, Mars does have an atmosphere albeit light. There is 30 times more CO2 in Mars atmosphere than our own.
There are always going to be problems with planets other than mother earth, perhaps that is why there is no life anywhere else in the solar system. That stated, there is some sufficent evidence that there is water frozen underneath the poles which is at least a start, and probably our best chance for outer-earth colonization.
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Not really. It does have everything to do with NASA trying to explain to Congress why we need a manned space program in the first place.
That way you really could have something on the "dark side of the moon".
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No need to store 15 days of power. This is such an easy one :)
Just build whatever collectors you want near enough to the north or south pole of the moon that you can place one set of collectors on one side and another set on the other, or a "ring" of collectors. That way you'll always have some sun hitting some of the collectors all the time. And distance won't be much of an issue, transmission lines should be a piece of cake on the moon since there's 1/10'th the gravity and no atmospheric stress. However, you do have a near-vacuum, so any lines carrying high voltage will leak to a convenient ground.... i doubt you'll be running massive HV though, collectors are inherently low voltage devices.
The issue here is not whether Criswell's moonbeam project is the right project to pursue with public funds.
The issue is whether congress should be trying to buy off the technologists of the US, who are being outsourced into oblivion, with another sham space program -- especially when private efforts are starting to pick up steam on their own.
Just let NASA die a natural death.
Seastead this.
Mars should be the ultimate destination for the next 15 years, but the moon should be a launchpad. Set up a small outpost on the moon and expand it from that point to a tiny village until it becomes the biggest extraterrestrial city in the solar system (that we know of). The resources of the moon are invaluable in our world's future, for its demanding energy requirements can easily be met by He-3 fusion and beamed solar electricity.
He-3 is worth $4 billion/ton and there are over a million tons of it. That's $4 quadrillion dollars (yes, quadrillion). Not to mention the lower cost of solar array deployment and relatively easy delivery.
Let's not forget that the number of graduates in the science and math areas DOUBLED during the 1960's because people were inspired to study hard and do something amazing with their lives. For the past thirty years we've been inspired by "ancient" technologies of Apollo, including computers with CPUs slower than that in my PDA.
I would argue that the space program is what made America the technological epicenter that it is today, and a return to the moon and Mars would only rejuvenate interest in the sciences. I know it worked for me, and hell I have to watch Apollo 13 every few months to remind myself!
Let's just see what the nation's reaction is when a new NASA direction is declared. Also, the American MER landers are arriving this January, and from what I learned in my interview with lead scientist Steve Squyres, it's going to be quite a show. Get ready for the next space race, and America ought to take the lead. Why? I think it's in our nation's collective blood. America is a nation of pioneers and was founded as one, and there's a whole lot of universe left to explore.
Furthermore, I want my damn Millenium Falcon!
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Am I the only one who thinks it would be really awesome if they set up a webcam on the moon?
The only thing I can think to say after reading that again is What the fuck are we waiting for?
Its the 21st century and we're tooling with 20-40 year old equipment and dreams. SPACE IS STILL THERE! I'm literally getting pysically angry at this squandered future.
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Choice quote from the story link http://www.house.gov/science/press/108/108-144.htm from the House Commitee on Science:
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"DEBATE ON REGULATING SPACE TOURISM HEATS UP
WASHINGTON, D.C., Novenber 5, 2003 - Commercial human space flight (space tourism) is a burgeoning industry in need of some degree of government regulation and oversight a panel of witnesses told the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee today. Witnesses varied widely, however, on the extent of regulations and the need for government indemnification of space tourism launches."
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"Space tourism?" In reference to "commercial human space flight?" Their mindset is all wrong here... "Goverment indemnification?" The government is indemnified for pretty much anything they want to be indemnified for. That's why they have these things called "insurance companies." "Regulation and oversight?" Please don't turn the commercial space race into NASA-II.
I thought the topic was most elequently covered (at least to my satisfaction) in James P. Hoagan's "Rockets, Redheads, & Revolution", in the chapter about the race to the moon in the 60's and what it did to the US's economy, focus, and other factors like abandoned projects. (Sorry, I can't recall the chapter name now, and the book is at home... and I call myself a geek! Sheesh!)
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