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Bombardier's Hot Wheel

Anonymous Chris writes "Following the release of the Segway, Bombardier (the makers of such things as Ski-Doo and Lynx snowmobiles) announce their prototype Embrio - a motorcycle-like unicycle that uses gyroscopes to balance itself and runs off hydrogen fuel cells. It also features a landing gear that automatically retracts once you reach 12 m.p.h. The story is at Forbes. You can also get more information directly from their website."

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  1. Segway by Beg4Mercy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These things are interesting yes, but are they really very likely, at all to become popular?

    1. Re:Segway by RLiegh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cars "took off" because they solved a specific set of problems [distance, speed, etc]. What unique set of problems do the segways solve? ........

      Didn't think so. ;-)

    2. Re:Segway by bhsurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      our company owns manufacturing facilities. large manufacturing facilites. we have facility supervisors & other employees who walk many miles on concrete to get around these facilities every day. some discussion has come up about getting segways for these folks to let our people get to workstations in a more timely manner when problems arise and to take some of the mileage off of these guys.

      are there other possible solutions to their problem? of course, but why discount this one? it's easy to say that there's not a real "need" for these things, and if you write software or pull fiber for a living you probably DON'T need one, but i'd imagine the people saying that NOBODY needs one aren't the ones spending their careers on their feet... the guys we have that could actually use one of these didn't even know they existed.

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  2. When and how much? by HeX314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much is such a thing going to cost. It's hard to buy a $300,000 vehicle on a college student's budget. But one day...

    1. Re:When and how much? by Ratface · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well then - get yer hair cut and get a job ;-)

      Nah - seriously, something like this would probably cost a hell of a lot - but that's why such things are playthings for the rich and famous rather than we average mortals.

      And that's the sort of lesson that the education system is building you up for - you're probably gonna always be drooling over unaffordable gadgets. It's life! Get over it :-D

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    2. Re:When and how much? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1st Rule of marketing:

      Make sure you get the bikini clad woman riding it!

      Its an instant winner.

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  3. Fun design. What's the point? by JanneM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The design is really, really cool. But other than that, I don't really see the advantage of this. It seems to give no advantage compared to a normal bike, and has quite a few disadvantages (less space, more complexity). Throwing in a fuel cell-based drivetrain could just as easily (if not easier) be done for a two-wheeled bike as well - and would incidentally be a pretty good idea (with the electric motors in the wheels, you would get rid of the chain, and could have practical two-wheel drive).

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    1. Re:Fun design. What's the point? by tarquin_fim_bim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the cited 'website' they used the word concept about a dozen times, it is exactly that, a concept. A design tool to invite discussion, and induce comment. What would you imagine the advantage of having two driven wheels on a motorcycle might be, apart from to get you to the next accident more quickly?

  4. One essential bit... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the article: The vehicle is designed as a guess at what transportation in the year 2025 might look like.

    This might be pretty darn accurate. The thing that sets this apart from the Segway is one crucial element: Speed. If a Segway malfunctions you're not going wery fast... but with a vehicle like this you're pretty much doomed if there is a serious malfunction. At the very least the car behind you will run you over.

    Current vehicles like cars and motorcycles can be stopped safely if you run out of power/propulsion, but something like this has to have safeguards which keeps that from happening.

    Back to the whole 2025 thing: In order to make this stuff safe it requires testing, testing and some more testing. An that requires time.

    Don't get me wrong... I love the idea, but it has to be done correctly and without compromises.

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  5. dangerous = don't make it by kaltkalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's so sad we've come to calling an idea "stupid" simply because it is easily conceivable as to how someone could hurt themselves with it. Whatever happened to assumption of risk? Those hoverboards in back to the future 2 (and 3) could really hurt someone if they're not careful, that doesn't mean it is something mankind should never get to voluntarily experience. Products liability is a good thing, but there has to be limitations. Wear a fucking helmet and don't cry when you get hurt. Products liability is holding us back... it's like intellectual property in that respect. It hinders innovation. Will we get sued for infringement? Will we get sued because people will hurt themselves? The bottom line is unavoidably unsafe products are too risky to develop nowadays, and that's a shame because they're quite often the coolest, most innovative, interesting things man ever makes.

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    1. Re:dangerous = don't make it by BigRedFish · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whatever happened to assumption of risk?

      Yeah, I see where you're coming from, I'm old enough to remember high-dives at public swimming pools, trampoline parks, skate parks, and all that.

      OTOH, there's one big difference between this device (or a Segway for that matter) and a similarly dangerous vehicle such as a motorcycle: unlike the motorcycle, they're defective by design.

      Motorcycles have a secondary method of stabilization when moving, as a side effect of the forks pivoting against the frame, allowing the vehicle's mass to move perpendicular to the direction of motion. This allows one to keep the bike upright even if one loses power.

      These unicycle things, and Segways (all the costs of two wheels, none of the benefits!) do not have any secondary method of stabilization should the power or on-board gyro system fail, and this too is by design. Given that a certain number of failures will inevitably occur (ya really gotta hope these gadgets age gracefully), and the result of failure is inevitably catastrophic, I would call the design defective. Anyone who's ever had to replace a malfunctioning fuel-injection sensor in their car should be rightly terrified.

      This kind of tech might be acceptable in military aircraft, where the probability of in-flight computer failure killing the pilot is small compared to the maneuvering advantage it gives the pilot in combat, which is a life-threatening situation to begin with. In consumer vehicles, however, it's an unacceptable risk if better designs exist.

      And for what? 'Cause it looks cool? There's no advantage in a unicycle design. It's a liability. Why convert to alternative fuel, just to waste it fighting gravity when you could use a known stable design and not have to? At least they had the good sense to label it a concept vehicle, but I certainly hope that intentionally unstable vehicle designs with no fault-tolerance are NOT the norm in 2050. This is one of those instances, I think, where just because you can doesn't mean you should.

    2. Re:dangerous = don't make it by olman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Helicopters can and will land gracefully without power. Assuming you have a good pilot, of course.

  6. Entertainment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Vehicles like this are more for entertaining their inventors rather than becoming the next big thing. We all know driving around small vehicles at high speed is dangerous. My guess is this would be marketed towards thrill seeking individuals who need a little something extra in their drive across town (note: not city). Besides, it's impractical and cool as hell...what else could you ask for?

  7. This does have one primary flaw... by Bob+Vila's+Hammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Recreational vehicles are supposed to be tough and reliable. Reliability is very much a part of the stability and dependability of your vehicle in adverse conditions.

    In this case, instead of having 2 or 3 or 4 wheels to support a passenger in an accident or a lose of control, you only have one. I wouldn't like to be caught on an ice patch, a slick roadway, or an unsure trail off the road. The potential to lose control and have an accident must be greater with only one wheel. Of course, you could always jump off, but that is defeat in the eyes or a responsible operator, plus I wouldn't want to get in an accident in a cool(expensive) little monobike like that.

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    1. Re:This does have one primary flaw... by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wouldn't like to be caught on an ice patch, a slick roadway, or an unsure trail off the road.

      If there is a gyroscope and a rapidly spinning wheel for stability, I can't imagine hitting a slick spot on the ice would throw you off... You're not relying on your contact patch for orientation. Likewise this is definitely not an offroad vehicle. Just look at it. Want to guess how much active suspension it has?

      What I would be more afraid of is, as another poster pointed out, a system failure. What happens when the bike gets old and a wire breaks? What happens to the stability of the gyroscope when you drop the bike? What happens when you get a flat?

      It's a cool concept, and I look forward to riding one... in 2025, when they have all of the safety issues ironed out.

      -Chris

  8. Re:Perfect... by black+mariah · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What advantage did the car have over the carriage? Gasoline wasn't common when they were introduced, they were arguably less comfortable and more unreliable than a horsedrawn cart, and they cost a great deal more.

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  9. Re:Yikes! by black+mariah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Blah blah, ha ha, motocycles kill. Dude, look, shit happens no matter what you drive. I know people that have driven a motorcycle daily for 20 years or better that have never had a wreck, and I know people that can't keep their cars out of the shop. It's all in the driver.

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  10. Re:Controls (vs. Segway) by PerspexAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Think motorcyle control mechanism - they're expecting crossover from bikers, and making it intuitive to a crotch-rocket pilot makes sense.
    Bikers are already used to leaning into the corners, and using a twist-grip throttle.

  11. Beauty, eh by Phantasmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, this is great, eh. Bombadier invents the anti-snowmobile.

    Well, that's not entirely true... it's got a lot in common with the snowmobile:
    It's useful for a whole two months out of the year, it kills half the people who ride it, and only costs a bit more than thirty years' infinite travel on the TTC.

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  12. Re:Perfect... by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What does your example have to do with the matter at hand?

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  13. Re:Looks like something Judge Dredd might ride by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would imagine that it tilts the riders backwards early in stopping so that they are pressed against the vehicle as they slow, then tilting upright when the speed is low enough. It would take a fair amount of testing and design to allow you to come to a screeching halt, but it could probably be done.

    I imagine, though, that it would be a terribly frightening feeling to be thrown backwards as you stop suddenly.

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  14. Re:Yikes! by pmz · · Score: 2, Insightful


    Those sports bikes are also good natural selection. It isn't uncommon to see three or four young men weaving through traffic without helmets riding bikes that can easily go 140MPH. I don't feel sorry for them at all.

  15. Battle Angel Alita by Mu*puppy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Anyone else notice how much this thing looks like a first gen. model of Alita's 'Tuned' cycle?

    Just a random musing from an anime/manga fan... :)

    (oh yeah, and to pre-empt the usual replies, you 'anime iz just pr0n and/or anime fans are freaks/faggots/pedophiles/whatever' trolls can all just fsck yourselves. Have a nice day.)

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  16. Re:Yikes! by Mattcelt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem occurs when you start mixing the people who are good motorcycle drivers with the people who are bad car drivers.

    Unfortunately, the bad car drivers are more likely to survive.

    A friend of my father, a skilled and conscientious motorcycle driver, was just killed by an asshole passenger vehicle driver who would not allow him to merge and maliciously (literally) forced him into oncoming traffic.

  17. Re:Yikes! by freeweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And I know people who've driven 35 years without a seatbelt and are still walking just fine. I'll still wear one, thank you very much.

    "Shit happens" no matter what you drive. But I'd rather be surrounded by armor if I hit something. It's all a matter of degree. You can't pull the 2 extremes out of an argument and say "see?".

    I think it's pretty well documented that driving a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous than driving a car. Should it stop people using them if they're willing to take the risk? Not on your life.

    Just don't get too mad at your insurance company :)

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