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Brazil Moves Away From Microsoft

An anonymous reader writes "Citing economic as well as social reasons, Brazil's government is opting to move away from Windows, opting instead for Open Source (read: Linux) solutions. Interestingly, Microsoft's representative in Brazil decries this as a movement away from freedom and choice..."

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  1. Attitude... by Mullen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "If this was a rich country, it wouldn't matter and we could buy Microsoft products, but we're a developing country and Linux is just a lot more accessible, so we're heading toward a Linux generation."

    It is this attitude that probably got them in to the problems they are in now and it is the attitude that got California in the problems it has now. When the State is flush with cash, you still have to find ways to save money. Just because the State has money, it does not mean it should spend it. It should return it to the people who gave it really belongs to, the Tax Payers.
    Run Linux, save money, lower taxes. Sounds like a good combination to me.

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  2. context people by jdkane · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Slashdot story posting says
    Interestingly, Microsoft's representative in Brazil decries this as a movement away from freedom and choice..."

    The context in the actual story is:
    Although Amadeu insists the government has no plans to mandate open-source software use, Microsoft is worried and is lobbying to prevent the policy from becoming law.
    "We still think free choice is best for companies, the individuals and the government," said Luiz Moncau, Microsoft's marketing director in Brazil. "There is the risk of creating a technology island in Brazil supported by law."

    Understanding the full context, I believe it's a bad thing to exclude one party and not the other, whether it's Microsoft of Linux being excluded. Yes, it sounds like good reasoning that the government would go with Linux and Open-Source because of the cheper prices. However at the same time they should not exclude other types of non-open-source software. Other than for reasons of anti-competitiveness I don't see a good reason to not allow other types of software to be used.

    1. Re:context people by oGMo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      However at the same time they should not exclude other types of non-open-source software.

      There is very good reason to exclude non-open-source software, all of which have been discussed and experienced repeatedly. As it's been said, this exclusion does not exclude any company, Microsoft or otherwise. Microsoft is free to compete in the open source arena just like everyone else.

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    2. Re:context people by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you're saying that if AutoCAD became OSS, it would immediately and magically drop back to 1985 levels of functionality?

      Of course you're not. You're saying that right now there is no OSS CAD software that compares to the good high-end closed-source stuff. Well, if there's one immutable law of economics, it's this: where there is a demand, there will be a supply. If the need arises for good OSS CAD software, rest assured, it will exist. Assuming that the current state of the art represents The Way Things Are Forever And Always Amen is really incredibly dumb.

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  3. Re:Good and bad... by cranos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So MS bad if screwing over local companies/organisations but MS good if screwing over foriegn companies/organisations? Sorry buddy but you can't have it both ways.

    Its called a global economy, something the US has been pushing hard over the last couple of decades. Mind you the US version of the global economy seems to think that everyone else should play by the rules except the US.

  4. Re:is this a threat to linux security? by inerte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, it will mean that brazilians will be more able to find holes on Open Source and Linux solutions.

    Also, it means that they will be able not only to find them, but also to fix them.

    Do brazilians 'hack' a lot? Sure, they do. Bu not because the tech is there, the same reason why people don't commit murder because there's a kitchen knife there.

    There are good and bad sides of these observations. Why did you pick up the bad? Brazilians would know how to crack, and also how to fix it.

  5. Re:When should a stock holder start to worry by Malcontent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most fund managers don't look that far ahead. They look at their numbers on a quarterly basis and make their decisions based on those. They care about things like cashflow, profits, earnings, assets not whether some customer or another has switched to a competing product.

    Right now the impact of these countries switching or thinking about switching has not effected the undelying financial position of MS. OTOH MS is expected to grow a certain amount every quarter which is becoming pretty much impossible because they have saturated their markets and are so big that further growth becomes very hard. The expection by shareholders will switch to MS being something like GE or IBM that being a pretty much steady company with minor fluctuations in price from time to time.

    If it turns out that these switches effect the MS bottom line one of two things will happen.

    1) MS will increase their investments in non software fields like media (in which they have substantial holdings) and make a bigger push into their hardware business.

    2) The stock will nosedive like a rocket.

    I don't see #2 happening though. They have 40 billion in the bank and if push comes to shove they can manipulate their own stock price if they want to.

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  6. Re:Well written? Well understood? by Virtex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds to me like the argument you're trying to make is not that the Linux kernel is poorly written, but that it's poorly documented. The two are not the same, and in the case of the latter, I would agree. There are people trying to fill that hole, but there's no telling how long that will take, or if they can even keep pace with the development of the kernel.

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  7. Re:is this a threat to linux security? by Malcontent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If Brazil remains a locus of "grayhat" activity, could this mean more resources will be put toward finding Linux exploits?"

    Let's hope so. How else would they get fixed.

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  8. Re:Well written? Well understood? by synx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You imply that commercial software _is_ well documented and well understood. That is not always the case. Maybe if you're talking about Oracle, yes, well documented, but even windows is not always well documented and well understood. Especially with the more obscure features of windows.

  9. Windows 1984 by sstory · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love the Orwellian Work Product known as MSFT. Every time somebody say they won't exclusively use Windows, MSFT says, "You Have To! If you don't you're Anti-Choice!"

  10. Re:When should a stock holder start to worry by MKalus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    he other reason was SuSE and Mandrake, both European and not from the United States. Which plays well in the EU. There is a mentality amoung many leaders in France and Germany that want to see the "United States of Europe" superpower and waining themselves from Microsoft could give Europe a leg up in technology as Linux catches on in SE Asia and the 3rd world.


    I think you got that a bit wrong, yes they don't want the EU to have depend on the US for their wellbeing anymore (and heck, why would they want that), but it is by far not the idea to become a Superpower, at least not in the sense people see the US.

    Seems like you haven't really learned a lot while you were living in Germany.

    I think Linux will be catching on internationally in the next couple years on desktops big time. It probably will be longer in the United States.


    Most likely. I guess the main reason for this is that a lot of people in Europe see the advantage already, the press is in favour of it and more and more people (because of this) are converting. Joe Smoe doesn't care about the "It's not Microsoft", but rather the fact that he can do what he wants with it. For most European companies (Ironically enough) It'll be because of the money they can save. The US will lag behind because of things like the SCO crap (where were all the LUGs in the US when SCO started spewing their FUD? You heard some small reistance, but it seems the real big bang happened in Europe).

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  11. Costs or benefits? by nullard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't it terrible that all that money will go to paying local programmers rather than the Redmond Marketing Machine? How sad it is that Brazilians will now be encouraged to join their own growing national software development and consulting industry.

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  12. Re:Thanks Lula! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yep good idea go for the OS that is free but costs twice as much to employ people to work on
    So what? Programmers in Brazil cost a hundredth of what they cost in Redmond. Plus, unlike their Redmond brethen, they speak portuguese fluently.
  13. Re:If you read the article... by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except in this case, the government is only mandating software for the government. They aren't telling the private citizens what software they can or cannot use. The government of Brazil is in the role of customer.

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  14. Re:Microsoft = freedom?? by be-fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, like when you want to change the scheduling algorithm to tune for your servers load. How do you do that in Windows again?

    Seriously, though, distros these days ship with all the drivers precompiled. Just use those instead of trying to fight your disto.

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