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NASA Debates How And When To Kill Hubble Telescope

Amy's Robot writes "The Washington Post reports that after 13 years of wear and tear, the Hubble telescope may be on the way out. NASA and some outside scientists have become involved in a heated debate about how and when to end the Hubble telescope program. Keeping Hubble in service until 2020 would require an extra maintenance visit by astronauts at a cost of at least $600 million. Some even worry the batteries could fail by 2010, since the next maintenance visit has been delayed by the Columbia accident and space station priorities. Is it worth maintaining our old friend Hubble, or should NASA let him go out in a blaze of glory?"

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  1. I already know.. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    "How And When To Kill Hubble"

    Professor Plum will use the candlestick in the library next Tuesday.

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    1. Re:I already know.. by McAddress · · Score: 5, Funny

      i would propose using kill -9.

    2. Re:I already know.. by kill+-9+$$ · · Score: 5, Funny

      well fine, somebody give me directions to the library and where I can get said candlestick and I'll take care of it...

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  2. $600 Million by Professeur+Shadoko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    seems fairly cheap to me, compared to what it would cost to build and launch a new one

    1. Re:$600 Million by Abcd1234 · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the JWST Website, the next generation space telescope will cost "$824.8 million". What were you saying about comparative cost, again?

  3. Re:Could they bring it back down? by essaunders · · Score: 5, Informative

    It looks like they were planning on bringing it back..

    "Before the Columbia accident, NASA intended eventually to have a crew of astronauts maneuver the 43-foot-long telescope into a cargo bay and bring it home for installation in the National Air and Space Museum as an inspiration for future generations. A general unwillingness to subject astronauts to such risks for a museum exhibit, among other things, eliminated that option, Weiler said. "

    but I know... that's from the second page : )

  4. Re:Could they bring it back down? by Dawn+Keyhotie · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Actually, that was the initial plan. Including hanging it from the ceiling in the Smithsonian. But now with the Columbia accident, no one wants to put astronauts' lives on the line just to retreive a museum piece.

    I think it would be stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hoverly optimistic to de-orbit Hubble until the new Webb space telescope is launched and fully tested. After all, how dumb would NASA look if it destroyed a perfectly good piece of equipment, and then its replacement fubared because of a mismatched washer or something.

    And right now, the plan is to do just that, to bring down Hubble before Webb is even launched, to save a few (million) bucks in Hubble operational costs. And the big debate is that everyone with any sense, and any sense of history, is telling them (NASA penny pinchers) that they're crazy.

    "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." Something NASA should consider before taking penny-wise, pound-foolish steps.

    Cheers!

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  5. Hubble's successor will be much improved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Hubble Telescope has a 2.4 meter primary mirror (it's a Ritchey-Critien type Cassegrain design). Hubble's successor is currently in development and will have a 6-meter multi-cell primary mirror. This will give the James Webb telescope roughly 25 times the light-gathering ability of Hubble. Improved electronics will let the new telescope resolve objects about 400 times fainter than Hubble.

    What's more, the new telescope will not be in low Earth orbit like Hubble. Instead, it'll reside at the L2 Lagrange point which is about 1.5 million KM from Earth. This means it's a one-shot deal. It has to work right the first time: there won't be any manned repair missions. One of the benefits of sitting at the L2 point is that it can be oriented so that one side always faces the sun...put a good solar shield on that side of the telescope and the rest of the telescope will remain frigid...essentially, you get a cryogenic cooling system for free.

  6. relative DOD costs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One B-2 Stealth Bomber --> $2.2 Billion USD
    15+ more years of Hubble --> $600 Million USD

    which would contribute more?

  7. Re:Could they bring it back down? by Shadwhawk · · Score: 5, Informative

    It isn't, actually. The Hubble weighs about 24,000lbs, and the shuttle can bring down about 43,500.

  8. Heard this nonsense before: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember Skylab?

    Yes, Skylab! It was the first manned space station, and it was american! well, anyway, instead of worrying about TODAY and keeping it operational with TODAY's technology, the pie-in-the-sky nasa engineers decided to wait until tomorrow's technology could save them from poor planning.

    Do I see history repeating itself?

    MARK MY WORDS: If they allow Hubble to de-orbit, in order to free up cash to build a new replacement, THERE WILL BE NO REPLACEMENT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. Remember, this is Congress, isn't it? And this is a country filled with half-ignoramus who get all their news from Rupert Murdoch.

    Cue "Dueling Banjos" - "How come we spend all this money on space monkeys when we don't have no jobs down here?"

    Of course, you try to inform these people that NASA has a very small budget - pratically non-existant next to the defense department's big money handout, and that many of the NASA programs are actually at the behest of the Department of Defense, so that their "real budget" for science is very very small.

    Cue "Dueling Banjos", again: "But we don't need no science, we need jobs"

    Of course, this man is retarded - but he actually represents the majority sentiment.

    Now, of course, to you and me, we see the hallmark of a productive society as scientific research. And we are smart enough to know that science for science's sake often has a fantastic impact on everyday lives, etc...

    But, this hayseed has a congressman, who also wants to know why you crazy science people want $600 million just to look at the sky.

    So, keep in mind - if Hubble fails, their will be no timely replacement.

  9. Hubble's a Bargain by So+Called+Expert · · Score: 5, Informative
    If the USA has the dollars (say, $87 billion) to clean up Iraq, the Hubble is certainly worth repairing for $600 million. This is less than ONE PERCENT of the military's budget JUST FOR IRAQ cleanup. Even in light of newer space telescopes being deployed by 2010, the value to humanity of Hubble is enormous, and unlike our Iraq fiasco, the Hubble benefits Humanity.

    This article sums up the scientific value of Hubble so far: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3115159. stm

    • Hubble:
    • Captured the "best ever" image of Mars
    • Gave us the age of the Universe
    • Provided proof of black holes
    • Gave first views of star birth
    • Showed how stars die
    • Caught spectacular views of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9's collision with Jupiter
    • Confirmed that quasars are galactic nuclei powered by black holes
    • Gathered evidence that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating