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NASA Installs Linux Supercomputer

unassimilatible writes: "Federal Computer Week reports that NASA plans to study the ocean's future with the help of the world's first supercomputer of its kind to run on the Linux operating system. The new supercomputer -- an SGI AltixT 3000 single-system image supercomputer -- has been installed at the space agency's Ames Research Center in California."

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  1. Uh-oh... by Hanzie · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article explicitly says they're using NUMA archeticture.

    Obviously, it's running SCO's intellectual property. SGI doesn't really own NUMA, they only wrote it. Deep down, it's really a derivative of vi.

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  2. Altix by Preach+the+Good+Word · · Score: 5, Informative

    SGI's Altix handles up to 64 processors on a Linux kernel using the patches they release as opensource. As SGI hacks away at their bigmem and numa patches, they'll be able to handle more and more processors. The plan is to eventually graft enough IRIX technology to support just as many processors on Altix as they do with MIPS processors in Origin with IRIX.

    Even if you aren't a fan of Itanium2, Linux, or NUMA, these patches are bringing some nifty high-end tech to the free software arena.

    1. Re:Altix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The only IRIX technology they're grafting is the SCSI layer. With the 2.6 kernel, there really isn't that much they need to do. They're testing their 512 processor systems on linux 2.6 as we speak, btw.

    2. Re:Altix by GooberToo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Tons and tons of work has gone into 2.6 to make it fully NUMA aware and scalable. Last I heard, there were still some minor memory allocation node biases left in the scheduler, however, those are actively being worked on. Furthermore, they were considered corner cases and not general NUMA processing problem domains.

      IIRC, one or more the developers has a 128 (or larger, I forget) CPU NUMA system that 2.6 periodically gets tested against. Many smaller NUMA systems are commonly used by several others. It seems that many, but not all of the NUMA optimizations, also help SMP systems as well. As such, the developers have not been shy about embracing it. When the O(1) scheduler was writen, it was a very short period of time before they started adding HT and NUMA optimizations to it.

    3. Re:Altix by EyeSavant · · Score: 3, Informative
      The technology is fantastic. It will be even more fantastic when it works :-(. At the moment you have to be nuts to buy one of these, as they are complete bleeding edge technology. In Amsterdam they "upgraded" from a 1000 processor mips machine to a 416 processor Altix/Itanium2 machine. On paper an itanium processors should be 5 times faster than the old mpis processors. At the moment we are lucky to see 2 or 3 speedup. And that is AFTER you have tuned the damn things for itaniums.

      It seems to be quite normal for code to run slower on the new machine than the old... So you have a tough porting job to do...

      The problem with the itaniums is that all the hard optimisation stuff has been moved from the hardware to the compiler. Plus the compiler is buggy as hell at the moment... I am currently trying to track down why my code fails on the new machine when I turn the optimization on.. My money is on a compiler bug to go with the many other compiler bugs we have seen before.

      I am sure they will be a nice machine eventually, but if you buy one now you are nuts.

  3. Re:Ocean? NASA? by javiercero · · Score: 4, Informative

    Fluid dynamics and environmental studies are also part of NASA's research mission.

  4. NASA was going to roll this out earlier... by AvantLegion · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... but their copy of Mandrake 9.2 broke their supercomputer's LG CD-ROM drive.

  5. Re:Patches ? by BJH · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't know if this is what SGI is using, but the status of NUMA in the kernel and associated patches for it is shown here.

  6. Re:Ocean? NASA? by Stubtify · · Score: 3, Funny
    Didn't you see the movie "The Abyss"?

    or the tv show "Seaquest DSV"?

    the ocean seems to be a gateway to the stars...

  7. In other news..... by micaiah · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCO sues Nasa for using Linux.

    Darl McBride stated yesturday, "Since Nasa is using Linux we now own the entire universe and are claiming our rightful ownership."

    1. Re:In other news..... by klafhat · · Score: 3, Funny

      SCO sues Nasa for using Linux. Darl McBride ...

      In yet other news, Darl McBride is now so afraid how NASA is going to respond, that he have hired a couple of bodyguards.

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  8. they also have. by rf0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A 512 CPU and 1024 CPU IRIX system. The 512 one is referred to as the small one :)

    Rus

  9. Not quite "Supercomputing" by quigonn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The SGI Altix 3000 is not quite a supercomputer. Our local university got the very first model for production use of the Altix 3000's successor, the Altix 3700, in last April or so, and it made it in the TOP 500 supercomputer list in last June, but it fell out of the current list. And the 3700 is even faster than the 3700, so what's so special about it?

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    1. Re:Not quite "Supercomputing" by Error27 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The thing that is special about the NASA computer is that it is a single image system and not really some cluster type thing. Mostly people say that Linux 2.4 scales well up to 8 processors, but this system has 256 processors.

      SGI is working on scaling the kernel to even more processors. For example, Erik Jacobson from SGI recently noticed that 'cat /proc/interrupts' doesn't work if you have 512 CPUs in your system. Frankly when I saw that I thought it was a joke, but I guess it must be real if they already have paying customers.

  10. how does this compare? by kjba · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "NASA plans to study the ocean's future with the help of the world's first supercomputer of its kind to run on the Linux operating system."

    Nice to know that it is the fastest Linux supercomputer, but how does this compare to the other top-ranked supercomputers in the world?

  11. Bad Influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't using a supercomputer that has hundreds of very hot processors to simulate climatic change going to directly cause a change in the climet be ejecting large quantities of hot air?

  12. Re:Ocean? NASA? by IvyMike · · Score: 4, Informative
    To quote one of the articles:
    "Using the vantage point of space, NASA gains an understanding of our home planet that we could never achieve were we bound to the Earth's surface," notes Dr. Ghassem R. Asrar, associate administrator of NASA's Earth Science Enterprise. NASA's remarkable 45-year history and vast scientific and engineering resources have helped the agency launch numerous research missions to understand and protect planet Earth.
    Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
  13. Nice to see SGI still making sales by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... I have something of a soft-spot for SGI, and it's nice to see them still making high-profile sales - it'll do their government profile no end of good :-)

    512 processors running a single image is pretty cool :-))

    Simon

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  15. How is this "News" for nerds? by ODD97 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If I'm not mistaken, NASA *invented* the bewulf cluster. And it ran Linux then, too.
    Clicky

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    1. Re:How is this "News" for nerds? by Styx · · Score: 4, Informative

      It isn't a beowulf cluster.

      It uses a single system image for all processors, as opposed to a beowulf, which has separate system images for all cluster nodes.

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  16. This new supercomputer has paid off already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... as it has completed it's simulation of the ocean in order to predict it's future:

    cold and wet.

  17. Single System Image is Nice by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing that is special about the NASA computer is that it is a single image system

    I did parallel code development on Sun SMP boxes. Starting up jobs, seeing what was going on, killing zombies, debugging was all easier on one system than through different boxes you'd have to ssh over to see.

    Even though I was using MPI and getting ready for a distributed memory architecture for the really big runs, the development was easier on the SMP box that showed a single system image.

    I haven't used things like OpenMOSIX, and Don Becker, early pioneer of Linux ethernet drivers (not many other folks can claim a complete decade of experience with Linux networking), founded a company called Scyld that sells Linux clusters with single system image.

    Sometimes it's convenient to see the whole box as if it were one, even though efficient programming dictates that you become aware of the different costs of data access (network, main memory, cache, disk). Practically speaking, developing and running parallel jobs is a higher user productivity proposition on a single system image.

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