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Caldera/SCO Co-Founder Ransom Love Speaks
securitas writes "CNet has published an interview with Caldera (now SCO Group) co-founder Ransom Love, in which he talks about the Novell acquisition of SuSE, Novell's Linux history, the early history of Caldera, the SCO-IBM lawsuit, his new role at Progeny and open standards. It's a good read that covers a lot of ground in a relatively short space."
So much better than "Elmer Snodgrass" -- the
unfairness of it all!
what? no SCO is teh suxors comments yet? seriously, this sheds a lot of light on the current situation.
"but they need Linux, and Linux needs them" . . .like a hole in the head.
Owned linux ?, Last time I checked nobody owned , owns or never will own linux, not even linus. Isn't that open source is all about ?
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
"I hired Darl, then realized what a HUGE mistake that was, so I quit SCO and sold my shares and Debian is really cool, thanks guys!"
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"Ransom Love"? "Darl McBride"?
I'm beginning to see some sort of pattern here...
This DOES shed some good light. I would like to get a better picture of just who the hell SCO thinks they are in their recent "let's sue EVERYONE!" kick, but I appreciated the perspective. I've heard a lot from the other companies; it's good to hear from the troublemakers and get a good idea where they're coming from.
Damon,
http://actionPlant.com
It will probably be Novell, since they have the resources to push their offerings. They like IBM are fully embracing Linux and probably succeed.
...I want to know how this will all end... but am sick of hearing all the scwabbling that is going on...
:-P
I could turn off stories about Caldera to just get it off my front page....
But, then I can miss it when something major happens...
Or I can whine in bitch in the article....
I'll chose the latter, I suppose
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
This was interesting - it's the first I've heard of a long-standing disagreement with IBM. The SCO press I've seen so far has presented it as a "We've just discovered this" rather than a "We've been trying for years to rationalise this". I'm surprised they're not taking the latter path, it would look better from a PR perspective. Must be legal reasons, I suppose.
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
...in that it offers some mildly engaging history, but not much else. The phrase that bothers me is:
it's so ironic, the turn of events. (Caldera began discussing) what we can do through UnitedLinux to indemnify people who had used both Unix and Linux. Apparently, Darl took that in a little different direction than we intended.
I can't tell if thats Ransome indicting Darl or simply distancing himself from the brouhaha.
"They could have owned Linux" was said in regards to the fact that Novell could have been a huge player and market leader in the Linux market.
ikeya
---- Move SIG...For great justice!
In their perspective open source software is free, but as in "free for the taking".
I bet that his quote of "could have owning Linux" will be presented by McBribe as "UNDENIABLE PROOF" of Linux belonging to them.
Who took my tinfoil hat?
Is that he and his management team burned through many tens of millions of dollars worth of venture capital, along with a significant portion of the original Microsoft settlement, and, in the end, had nothing to show for it. The venture capital org behind Caldera (Canopy, remember them?) finally wised up, threw out Love's team, and put it a disaster recovery team.
Caldera/SCO may or may not have any legal basis for when they're doing now, but they've certainly got a better plan that Love's gang of Underpants Gnomes did...
Is Ransom his name or business strategy??? (Sounds like a cheap anime character...)
Fnord.
The article mentions that Love knew Darl from Novell and brought him on board at Caldera/SCO. Does anybody know what Darl did at Novell? I just wonder what was going through Ransom's head when he decided to hire Darl. Was Darl this superstar executive at Novell or was he the one that was always telling Novell "hey, our IP is being infringed somewhere, let's get on the suing bandwagon"?
I am just wondering what the legacy of Darl was at Novell that made him so suited to be CEO of some company that has morphed into one of the most hated entities in the IT world?
No trees were harmed in the composition of this; however, numerous electrons were inconvenienced.
Even Gordon Gekko would have a hard time pulling this off if SCO was offering him 20% of the treasure... weeks after weeks of lawsuits and radical SCO stock prices... Even if they don't win the cases, I bet you have plenty of insider trading that goes right along with the press releases. Caldera stock was around $.50, then shoots up in no time to $20, then back down to $14. Ultimately, its the open-source community takes the hit for this kind of greed. Its a real shame.
In retribution to your failure to use Preview!
YOU FAIL IT.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
If only IBM pushed OS/2 onto the desktop
If only Commodore could market their way out of a paper bag
If only Atari hadn't fumbled the desktop
and now:
if only Novell had pushed for Linux rather than UNIX in the 90's...
Karma Whoring for Fun and Profit.
I had to re-read it several times before I realized they were referencing someone's NAME. :)
My first thought, upon reading this article, is that it really bears little relevance to the SCO-IBM suit. Mr. Love is no longer with SCO, and appears to have chosen to pursue more traditional UNIX flavors over Linux.
However, on further thinking this over, I realize that Mr. Love has a unique perspective: he understands how SCO conducts its business, but he has the objectivity of an outsider. Consider this:
It would appear, then, that Mr. Love is suggesting that the lawsuit in question is a vengence tactic - a way to attack IBM for 'unresolved issues'.Mr. Love also strike a rather insidious blow at SCO's choice of filing such a major lawsuit:
Notice how Mr. Love implies that lawsuits (and, by context and implication this lawsuit), are bad for SCO; he further indicates that selling SCO stock might be a wise idea, by relating his own decision to sell. If SCO et al still take Mr. Love seriously, they are likely to review how to continue without either giving up the lawsuit (which would look bad to investors, as it is an implied admission of error) or continuing down a fatal path.Given the slim chance of SCO actually winning this lawsuit, it makes one wonder what their strategy is; it all must come down to how will it affect the stock?
We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex—but Congress can. – Cullen Hightower
--Jack Valenti
Home Recordings of Copyrighted Works: Hearings on H.R. 4783 et al. Before the Subcommittee on Courts of the House Comm. on the Judiciary, 97th Cong. 8 (1982).
But Love left in 2002, before the company renamed itself SCO Group and launched a legal attack on IBM and the open-source operating system.
-- Seq
What comes next in the sequence:
...
Ransom Love, Darl McBride,
a) Sue Cosucks
b) Adam Fairchild
c) Justin Debtdad
d) All of the above
e) None of the above
Answer:
D
Nope, I'm no mod. I just recently got out of the -1 whole, was posting at zero for a bit. I just keep that sig because eventually, thanks to bad mods, I will be back at -1.
But, hey, during this run, I got to do at least four metamoderations! Yet, hat rarely happens since too many angry Stallmanites like to jump my ass.
Until Slashdot fixes the funny modifier, use insightful or interesting. The poster knows your intentions.
Ransom Love Speaks
How is this... new?
This guy speaks about as frequently as RMS proclaims the virtues of open source.
"You can't scare me with this lawsuit crap. I know my contract. I want my lawyer."
"Tell me, Mister Anderson. What good is a lawyer if you're unable to pay?"
*muffled sound of mugging*
"You're going to court, Mister Anderson. Whether you want to... or not."
Whoops, typo. The word should be hole, not whole. Just figured that I'd beat the grammar whores to it. But, can you find where in the post that mistake was made? Try to beat the other whores to it!
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This guy is a loser, folks. He wasted millions and millions of dollars that investors gave to him on some half-cocked pipe-dream. He had no real business model. This guy really defaulted on all of his moral and legal obligations to his shareholders.
social sciences can never use experience to verify their statemen
The part you quoted made me chuckle.
:)
indemnify
To protect against damage, loss, or injury; insure.
To make compensation to for damage, loss, or injury suffered.
I'd say doing the complete opposite of indemnify Linux users qualifies as "a little different"
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
Love is Knowledge is Light.
That is, the more you learn, and the more you become a conduit of knowledge, the closer you come to understanding 'love' --which is meant in a sense above and beyond hormones and bad 'Friends' episodes. It's Light side versus Dark side.
Now you're probably wincing like mad right now, and frankly, so am I. The New-Age bullshit has scarred everybody. Indeed, if a New-Ager uses the term, 'Love & Light' it is usually best to run. Run for the hills, because they're most likely flakes who don't know what the hell they're talking about, don't know how to help themselves, much less anybody else, and who have done more damage to the concept than will likely ever be repaired.
In any case. .
The Universe as we experience it is entirely constructed of metaphor. --That is, all matter is energy, (we know that), but what is generally not understood is that all energy is consciousness. If you can accept this, then energy which, is expressed through the physical, remains an expression of consciousness. The world is one big Freudian Slip.
Anyway. .
The more intense the 'thought form', the more likely it is that the metaphor will become very clear to the point of being a dead give-away.
Ransom Love. .
How much more obvious can you get?
-FL
If you want a quote to startle your appetite, here it goes:
I should really have submitted this as a main page story, as my karma really needs some help since I've started being realistic on the LG business.
I'd be interested to know in what sense Mr. Love thinks that Novell could have "owned" Linux, had they played their cards right.
If he meant that literally, it's mind-boggling that someone could have been an executive for Linux-related companies for so many years, and still have absolutely no clue about it.
But hey, I've learned not to underestimate this guy in the cluelessness department.
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
Does anyone else think the name Ransom Love sounds like a porn star pseudonym?
Ransom Love? That sounds like some sort of soft-core star, or the title of an 80s movie that repeatedly shows on the TNT network...
I'm going to assume that you meant "than", rather than "then". ASSHOLE.
Ransom Love may have told a truth or two here. Freqently people have attributed the seeming irrationality of SCO to McBride and others being on Crack. However, what better explains their actions than that this lawsuit has begun as SCO's one last chance at "payback" for old grudges? Maybe it's a classic tragedy, with McBride ending up saying "For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee" just before the great blue whale rolls over on him.
Who is John Cabal?
Did Mr. Love just have really cool parents, or did he change his name upon being written about in a Slashdot article?
Furthermore, does he have a Ph.D? Because that would make him Dr. Love!
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RMS proclaims the virtues of Free Software.
And that certain things should have a GNU prefix. Just because.
You seem to have taken umbrage at the reference to the birthday problem and have assumed that he was talking down to you and insinuating that you are a child.
It's a shame you didn't actually read up about the birthday problem. What is the likelihood of two people sharing a birthday in a class of 30? If memory serves me correctly it's considerably more than half the time. That is what he was refering to in the comment about the likelihood of people modding people down twice in a row with such a large active set of moderators.
I also notice that Michael had the dignity to not dress you down for your ignorance.
Have a nice day.
Does anyone else see it as ironic that the name of the man which founded the company suing our heart's labor is named Ransom Love?
StoneCypher is Full of BS
NEST = Nuclear Emergency Search Team
"I think where this could work is in the area of standards. It comes back to the Linux Standard Base. Maybe Novell can expand that so it doesn't care what's underneath. As long as applications can install and function, then Linux can truly be a platform." If Novell could make their GNU/Linux software conform to the LSB and run on any LSB compliant distro then..... However the Ximian product of Novell is VERY particular on what distro it gets installed on. Mandrake 9.1 is Ok but 9.2 is not OK.
zenray
When I first heard about Ransom Love leaving Caldera/SCO I thought he did not like the way the where planning on treating Linux. Well this just goes to show that big business just does not care. I would like to see Novell take Linux to a place it has never been before. They have a great directory service that can take over M$ active directory and they could make it run on Linux. I guess we will just have to wait.
not even worth the read.
SCO's Love, Ransom....SCO's Loves, Ransom.....SCO Loves Ransom.
Man...its just like it's right out of one of those comic books about an evil mafia-like corporation, except it's better.....it's real.
A man who's name is "Ransom Love" is the co-founder of SCO? Perhaps they took his name on the business plan a little too literally.
-R
I figured he was an actor in, how should I say, "Adult Entertainment?"
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
From what I've seen of the NEST code, it was an incredible crock of shit that appeared to have been begrudging written in C by assembly language programmers. All variables were global, and almost everything was an array. But that might have been just an early version.
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
We'd just gone through the acquisition of a major company (the Santa Cruz Operation's Unix business) that was extremely poorly managed.
so basically, now the Santa Cruz Operation people got in charge from what it sounds like.
hence why they arent even managing sco anymore, they're just using lawyers to run the show, and they sit back, acting like they're in charge, you can tell how bad they are at management when they cant even run a software company, they just hire lawyers to run a litigation machine.
sad, really. I think we all know that darl probably came from the original SCO
I mean..the obvious questions are:
1. Tell us about how much work Caldera did on the Linux kernel. What did Caldera contribute?
2. How was LKP written with no GPL code at all? Must have been difficult to do so quickly.
3. Tell us about your thoughts when you released the "the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a "BSD-style" license." Did you think that code would make it into other operating systems?
Yeah, NT was a "joke". Well, I guess that finally proves my theories about the arrogance of Novell in the face of a direct threat. I'd be wary of any business venture in which Mr. Love is involved. I'm also dubious with regard to a SuSE/Novell merger producing anything capable of competing with Windows.
I began using GNU/Linux around 1995. It was more reliable than Windows NT at the time, but nowhere near as fast to configure. It also didn't match NT feature-for-feature in filesharing and printsharing, which was the hotly contested marketspace for low-end server installations at the time.
Novell were content to sit on their fat behinds and make fun of NT, even as NT 4 hit the shelves, and PC sales for business went through the roof (giving Microsoft inroads through their OEM channels). Sure the first NT 4 installations crashed or exhibited strange behavior on a regular basis, but the Microsoft marketing machine was in full swing.
My personal experience was that customers demanded Windows NT 4 because it was "new" and less costly, no matter how I tried to convince them otherwise (I would be servicing it crissakes, not them). So, rather than lose an account, I did the work. Novell didn't seem to react to the threat.
Microsoft was competitive on pricing. The upfront costs for licenses were cheaper, MS made it easier to migrate by giving upgrade discounts and including client software to talk with Netware servers. Novell didn't lower its prices to compete, or make any gestures whatsoever to remind its existing customers that their present and future business was valuable (until much, much later, after they lost most of their customers to MS).
Microsoft purposely had lax per-seat license checking restrictions, which people found easier to deal with. Novell still stuck with their inflexible, floppy-disk based per-seat license enforcement, which was unpopular with techs and customers alike (oops, disk went bad, guess you have an expensive doorstop instead of a new server).
Microsoft made it easy to get documentation and programming tools for Windows. Microsoft sold those tools, other developers sold Windows programming tools, and there was healthy competition. Netware programming remained a black art, and there wasn't a whole lot of API to work with. Novell hasn't moved to correct this situation until very recently, and they still hassle you to give out information about yourself and your employer to see the documentation. I guess I'm out of the mainstream, because I think operating system developers that don't provide a full-featured compiler (even without an IDE) and reasonably detailed documentation for free are incredibly short-sighted.
Microsoft embraced (but extended) TCP/IP as the core communication protocol in Windows, while Netware had an ugly IP duct-tape fix up until version 5. Sure Novell's implementation of IPX/SPX was more secure (and probably performed better), but IP was more flexible, and IP-enabled software was practically falling from the sky, and it was not easily ported to Netware, (as evidenced by the fact that it wasn't).
Netware had a winning technology with NDS. I still think it's the most impressive piece of work that Novell ever released. Even with Microsoft dominating the fileserver marketspace, Novell still priced the NDS add-on for Windows more than the cost of a Windows server (with ADS) license.
***
Where do Novell's profits come from these days? They must have an awful lot of funds in reserve, because they are one of the slowest-moving tech companies I've ever seen. They still can't make up their mind about what to do, and Windows has steadily become better over the past decade. I've pretty much written off Novell. Does Netware even stack up to Windows 2000/2003 now? Does it scale as well? Does it's TCP/IP stack perform as well? Is it less expensive?
Fred
"A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
-RMS
>"For Hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee"
Khan?
YOU FAIL IT!!
One more reply and you'll be permamoderated, you fooker
Que?
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Personally, I support SCO and their lawful actions. It's about time someone gave those Linux users what they deserved.
Melville
Who is John Cabal?
I probably should just leave it at that, but here's the original for those of you who might like it:
Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.
Sink all coffins and all hearses to one common pool! and since neither can be mine, let me then tow to pieces, while still chasing thee, though tied to thee, thou damned whale! Thus, I give up the spear!
-Cpt. Ahab
Who is John Cabal?
So now we just need Bill Gates to change his name to Money Love or Power Love.
DROS - Open-Source Robot Software
You make an excellent point about the comaptibility library. It makes Love's statements more understandable.
You mean his name is really Ransom Love? Like, in "love for ransom"?
This is perfect. Beautiful!
You're probably slashdot champion in self-replies. To make things worse, they are dumb replies to even dumber posts.
I am bored out of my skull so I will take the time to analyze your post a bit. With a bit of reflection and logical adaptation anyone can turn what you have said on its head. BAsically, I think "you are a flake who doesn't know what the hell you are talking about", but allow me to explain myself before you rush to a perjorative judgement and label me a flamer or troll bait.
First let us look at your first proposition. "Love is Knowledge is Light. Where knowledge leads to an understanding of love and in doing so 'illuminates', and therefore all three are derivitive of each other. Your first flaw is the idea that 'knowledge' will bring and understanding of love as a tangible entity. This is not necessarily true and is unlikely to be true if it precedes an act of love. Love is an experienced phenomenon. For someone who has never 'loved', telling them what it is will not give them knowledge of what love is. There is no accurate measurement or description of love. The only way to understand love is to be in love. Therefore, one can conclude that love, if it is equivalent to knowledge, is only equivalent to knowledge in the sense that a person has experience and understands because they have loved. It would be innacurate to say that knowledge is love, because a person can be very knowledgeable and informed about the trappings of love and be ignorant when it comes to love itself (men and women, need I say more?). And lastly, the idea, that love/knowlege is light, is innacurate. Knowledge of love is perhaps 'light' in a metaphorical sense, where the idea of love is 'illuminated', but it does not entail physical light as comes from the sun or a light bulb. When you then go on to the "Light side versus Dark side" bit I am simply lost, I see no link between the process of illumination brought on by love and a 'light' and 'dark' struggle which implies a moral or ideological conflict. The link simply isn't there.
The Universe as we experience it is entirely constructed of metaphor. --That is, all matter is energy,
The universe is a place where matter and energy can be converted into either state and then back again. You seem to say that matter 'is' energy, i.e. I can turn this log into energy, and therefore this log is energy. That would be incorrect, the log is not energy. Once it is coverted to an energy form, the 'log' would cease to be. Its physical pattern would be lost and it would be impossible to reconstitute it. Therefore, it is innacurate to say that the one or another phase, material or energy, is equal or analagous to the other. It is like saying a log is fire. To be accurate, you need to say that this bit of matter is 'potentially' energy, or this bit of energy is 'potentially' matter. Matter and energy are not identical or interchangeable. It would be more accurate to describe them as opposites.
Further on you bring up an equally illogical point. but what is generally not understood is that all energy is consciousness.
I don't understand how you make the leap there. If matter is derivitive of energy, and consciousness is constituted from matter and therefore constituted of energy that it must therefore follow that consciousness is energy. That would seem to be an unlikely conclusion. It would be more accurate to describe consciousness as a pattern embedded in a physical container, the human body. Once the pattern is destroyed, the consciousness is destroyed. If the person was turned into energy, the pattern embedded in that person would cease to Be. The person would cease to be conscious. Therefore, the 'light', embodied by a conversion of matter(the conscious person and their body) to energy(so called thought) and back to matter(the result of the so called thought), would actually entail the destruction of that person, the total anhihilation of that persons consciousness. It is unlikely that 'energy' thoughts of any kind could imply an energy matter phase shift of any kind without the destruction of that person. There
I'm just curious as to what they have to say.
Thanks for your dumb post, as it gives me a chance to make another, in your opinion, dumb reply. I feel gratified.
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I feel gratified.
I'm glad I was able to do something for you - might help in fighting that depression.
While you read the guy you ought to remember some facts about the Caldera vs Microsoft suit he alleges to.
.02eur
Mr. Love complains about all the wrong directions that Caldera took after he left, but the fact remains that one of main Caldera's businesses was litigation from the beginning.
Caldera didn't write DR DOS. Caldera bought it (either DR DOR, or DR itself, I don't remember) after it was obvious to everybody that there is no future for DOS. They bought it, they pretended that they've been building some business around it, and sued MS for something that MS did long before Calder came into the game.
It's exactly the same now.
They've bought SCO assets long after it was dead in the water only to sue companies that (in their opinions) might be responsible for that.
Just my
Robert
Bastard Operator From 193.219.28.162
First of all I must tell everyone that I had a good friend in my teenage years that could stop-up a slow-flow toilet every shit he took. So I am no stranger to extremely large (3-inch diameter) craps. My good friend's mother would keep plastic knives on the toilet that he was instructed to use after every movement. My friend loved to come over on the weekend and smile at me with a sly smirk as he headed to the bathroom to stop up the john. I would always tell him to chop his turds, but he never did, and we would plunger the john until it cleared. His unusual ability continued through his adulthood, and even though I don't keep in contact with him now, I am sure he still is stopping up toilets everywhere he shits. I work at a label factory, and one Friday I took a vacation day from work. I was at home and got on the Internet. While I was checking some mail, I noticed a message from a co-worker. The letter talked about a huge turd that someone discovered in one of the restroom stalls at work. They described it as "gigantic", "massive", "giving birth", and "something that had to hurt with a loud scream as it came out". I instantly remembered my good friend's abilities as I described above, and gave it no extra thought.
Later that weekend I received a phone call about the turd at work. Still, the affect on me was not that impressionable because I have witnessed that type of ability as described earlier. I did feel a little more intrigued, though, because I remember the person telling me about all the people going into the restroom numerous times to get a peek at the thing. I thought, "Hmmm, they must not know about large turds."
Finally Monday rolled around, and I headed back into work. I had forgotten about the tales of the toilet serpent, but when I got there I suddenly remembered, so I headed off to the location of the big sighting. When I walked into the restroom, the smell of stale shit was in the air. I noticed one of the four stalls had yellow tape on the door, as if that particular crapper was out of order. I walked over to the stall and, being a tall person, I peered over the door and saw The Turd.
It was massive. Whoever shit it put a bed of toilet paper in the water before they gave birth so that half of the girth was above the water line. The smell was overwhelming and after just a three-second peek I quickly exited.
About an hour later a fellow co-worker approached me and told me he put the yellow tape on the door so that I could see it. We proceeded to head back to see the gigantic turd again. He quickly removed the tape and opened the door. I held my nose as I walked up to the toilet. The turd was four to four-and-a-half inches in girth, and twelve inches in length, laying in a bed of toilet paper.
"My God," I said, "that had to hurt." My childhood buddy would have been jealous of such an amazing size.
Our toilets at work are the turbo type and shouldn't be able to get stopped up. I spoke to another person later that day who witnessed the building maintenance people go in to the restroom with paper jump suits and gloves and physically remove the turd from the john. That turd had lain in that water for three days and never lost any of its shape and size. It was truly the largest turd ever squeezed out and had to hurt badly. We all still talk about it and wonder whom the big turd layer was; but no one is stepping forward for any rewards of praise.
-- Mike Couch
Jeez, I imagine that we here could ask a lot of really pointed questions, that could shed some light on this mess from someone who built the much-maligned company and until it became so hated was at its helm.
Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.
...that his name is really "Ransom Love". That's just nuts. Who the hell would name their kid "Ransom" anyway?
Furry cows moo and decompress.
I must apologize. I was drunk, but that's no excuse. This is not the kind of person I am, but more importantly, I'm sure this is not the kind of person Ransom is, either. I really have no idea what inspired me to lash out like that. I'm truly embarrassed and ashamed of myself. Yuck.
--Lawrence Lessig for Congress!
I put in that first sentence deliberately so that I could correct it, but then a post limit kicked in.
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Correction! Remove first sentence!
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