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Apple's iTunes DRM Cracked?

joekra writes "The author of DeCSS is back in the spotlight with a new application called QTFairUse. The new application attempts to convert DRM'd AACs to non-DRM'd AACs on Windows machines. MacRumors has done some limited testing on it and has found it doesn't yet work as advertised... but they do offer a look into how it works."

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  1. The Reg is Wrong by joekra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Register is way off in their article. They clearly don't understand the way this App actually works... and are comparing it a simple stream ripper.

    1. Re:The Reg is Wrong by MoneyT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, exactly what do you call a product that takes a stream of decrypted audio and puts it on your HDD?

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  2. Maybe they'll figure this out someday by spikexyz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One day they'll figure out that computers have made the marginal revenue for producing a song ~= $0. The whole music industry needs to undergo a revolution to stay profitable and I don't think anyone has figured out what that revolution needs to be.

    1. Re:Maybe they'll figure this out someday by spectral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, cuz I want to listen to a mic recording of a live performance without the benefit of any post production studio work. Live shows are good beacuse they're LIVE. I can maybe see listening to one I went to, or if they significantly change the shows or something, but if all they do is play songs you can get on the cd, what's the point of getting a mic rip of them not doing their 'best' (read: most edited, in the case of most 'artists') at it?

    2. Re:Maybe they'll figure this out someday by X_Bones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think that computers remove the profit from producing music, just from distributing it. As long as there's a demand for music, artists can sell it for some price and make a living from it. But with iTMS, Amazon's recommended lists, fan bulletin boards, and so on, there's no need any more for a massive information and distribution network like the RIAA. People can find what they like and hear about other music from people with related tastes, and they can do this on their own. I think that's probably the biggest threat to the RIAA: informed consumers.

      But I guess as long as they have money and are able to buy politicians, they'll stick around.

    3. Re:Maybe they'll figure this out someday by TyrranzzX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that our money based economy is becoming dated and it's beginning to show. A money economy is great when it takes work to produce goods but as the work it takes to make stuff goes down (invariably due to the reliable automation of many of our industries) the price will drop as well. When the cost of food, shelter, and entertainment drop to all time lows the demand for the amount of work that needs to get done will drop. Soon everyone only has to work 7 hours a day to keep the food and goods coming in, then 6, 5, 2, 1, and in time 0.

      This shifts an incredible amount of power and responsability onto the goverment and corperations. Another paradigm that will come into being is that media produced 20, 200, or 2000 years ago will still be popular today. Can you imagine the amount of music that can be created in this timespan? When demand is satiated, there is no demand. So why creat more media, for example, if there is already more than enough to last any one human their entire lifetime?

      What will need to take place is a fundemental shift from a greed and need based economy, to a curiousity based economy. If all the things a person needs are free, then there is no reason to work for them. Therefore, one would learn how a machine works because they are curious and want to while a class of elietists would be kept to ensure the system would be maintained.

      This may not happen for another thousand or two years, and may involve bloody uprisings and insurgencies, but it'll happen one way or another.

    4. Re:Maybe they'll figure this out someday by b-baggins · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Today's wants are tomorrow's needs. You really ought to read some Adam Smith.

      The desire for goods and services will never go away. When food becomes free, people will take that money and spend it on other things. When those things become free, people will spend it on yet other things.

      If robots manufactured every material thing in the world for free, people would pay money for ideas. Or for the human touch of service, or for the nostalgia or curiosity of non-robot manufactured items.

      To want is a basic foundation of human nature. To say that some day we will never want (which is basically what your post maintains), is to completely ignore a fundamental human trait.

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    5. Re:Maybe they'll figure this out someday by b-baggins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Until the Coke bottle lands. Then suddenly everyone wants that, because it is so useful to them and makes their life so easier.

      So guess what? Even those people had wants. Human nature is human nature regardless of whether you're a black human in deep Africa, or a white human in suburban Chicago.

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  3. Negative Impact.. by spence2680 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully this doesn't have any negative impact for the end users. It's always sad when the generic end user gets screwed because someone decided to hack/crack a product to give them additional functionality.

    1. Re:Negative Impact.. by bwalling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How does hacking like this negatively impact end users?

      Let's try this example: iTMS AAC is cracked. Apple fixes. Cracked again. Apple fixes. Cracked again. Apple fixes, but RIAA says game over. Now, people like me who like iTMS and use it legitimately can't use it anymore. I'd call that a negative impact.

    2. Re:Negative Impact.. by Nucleon500 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      What about DVDs? They were cracked, and DVD sales are just the same as before. When CDs were created, nobody expected equipment to rip and burn them would be accessable to consumers, and yet CDs are still around. Audiocasette recorders caused legislation reinforcing a consumer's right to make personal copies. There was legal controversy about the Xerox machine, and about player piano tapes.

      Ever since there's been 'content,' there's been demand to copy it, and human ingenuity has 'cracked' whatever protection there was. But this doesn't harm the medium, in fact, it makes it more valuable to honest people. There will still be a demand for iTunes and friends, so the MPAA won't stop. There isn't a consumer demand for draconian hardware DRM, so I don't think it'll happen. This is driven by greed, but in the end, consumers want cheap, legal downloads with minimal (hopefully nonexistant) DRM, so that's what'll happen.

      This 'crack' won't affect Apple's relation with the RIAA, nor the service, nor even the software, in any way. Why? iTunes lets you burn CDs, and CDs can be ripped. This crack only gives people slightly better quality and saves them a CD-RW. It also makes it a bit easier to get the files off a Bochs or VMWare system. Even if it did allow something that wasn't trivial before, it wouldn't impact iTunes sales or piracy significantly.

  4. He must enjoy court by Blackbox42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why release it with your name attached to it? Didn't he learn something after the whole De-CSS trial?

    1. Re:He must enjoy court by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Why release it with your name attached to it? Didn't he learn something after the whole De-CSS trial?

      Yep. That his lawyer need only reach for his notes for applicable case history should Apple- or anyone else for that matter- choose to try him again.

    2. Re:He must enjoy court by CausticWindow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As he lives in what you would refer to as a socialist hellhole, he has a good defense attorney assigned to him.. free of charge since he is just a school kid.

      I know this sounds confusing, don't sweat it. You'll eventually understand it.

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    3. Re:He must enjoy court by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What you may not understand is that some people are ready to live through all that because it's right to stand up to those who would silence us forever.

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  5. Next up by quizwedge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DRM in iTunes is changed. Please repurchase all of your old songs. Seriously, the DRM with Apple's music wasn't that bad. Why make it so that they have to change things around? Remember iTunes Music Sharing? You use to be able to stream from any computer to any computer. Since people didn't use it for personal use, they forced it to only work on the same subnet (thereby not allowing users at work to access music from their home machine). I wouldn't say Apple is perfect, but they're more on our side than Microsoft is.

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    1. Re:Next up by Krach42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple has consistantly had a stance against DRM, and this is the first time I've ever heard of the copy-protection in iTMS as DRM.

      I suppose at SOME level, every copy protection qualifies as DRM, but come on. I view DRM with the connotation of "draconian" restrictions on what a user can do with it.

      Apple doesn't prevent you from making a backup copy of the file, or distributing the file to other computers, it just restricts certain computers from playing it, if they haven't purchased it.

      I personally don't see anything wrong with such an approach, it's called LEGAL.

      Now, writing a system that breaks the second you touch the file with anything but a DRM approved player, or for that matter, working it into the OS so you CAN'T do anything with it at all. That's stepping over the line.

      People have to make money at this at some point, and for the almost painless restrictions that iTMS puts on their music, it's one our side, and their side. A good comprimise in convienence and protection, where if you REALLY want to get it free, then you can get online and grab it anywhere else easier than you can break their protections. And they make money because you pay for the convience of being able to just *click* and download.

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    2. Re:Next up by Nucleon500 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The "CD hole," besides being annoying, is absolute proof that you've been lied to, repeatedly, by the RIAA.

      They claim DRM is about stopping piracy. This is a blatent lie - obviously, pirates can just burn, rip, and redistribute. Or buy the CD, or check it out from their library. That the system allows burning to CD is clear evidence that pirates are not the target.

      The target is your fair use rights. Many companies had tried to sell DRM music with draconian restrictions, but they were a step backwards from the freedom of a CD, so they failed. The RIAA realized they needed to start slowly, offering a DRM system with very few restrictions. The restrictions will slowly be made more draconian, and nobody will notice. With a complete lack of competion in the industry, nothing will stand in the way.

      Enter iTunes. People vehemently defend Apple now, and they will continue to do so when Apple and the MPAA remove ripping rights. "You can still play the music on your iPod," they'll say. "We would love to let you rip, but piracy was too much of a problem," the RIAA will lie. But they will have won: there will be a point where the DRM infrastructure will be mature enogh to support whatever restrictions the RIAA wants. Consumers will have nowhere else to turn, they will have given up their freedom, not even for their safety, but for their convenience.

    3. Re:Next up by Alsee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      with anything but a DRM approved player

      You mean like iTunes downloads, which you can only be played in an approved player? iTunes *does* use DRM. You cannot do anything with the file that the DRM system and DRM players do not specificly enable. Just because their system allows you to play the file on three appoved computers does not change the fact that it prevents all other perfectly legal use.

      Lets take an example. Some people like to play their music backwards looking for hidden satanic messages. Some bands have even included such backwards satanic messages for laughs. Playing the music backwards is perfectly legal use. This use is impossible with the approved DRM players, and it is a violation of the DMCA to "traffic" in circumvention of the DRM - circumvention that is required in order to make a player that can play it backwards.

      Maybe you think that is a silly example, but it makes the point that ALL USES are blocked, other than uses specifically enabled by the DRM approved player. The data is encrypted, you can't do ANYTHING with encrypted data.

      the almost painless restrictions that iTMS puts on their music

      Yeah sure, it's "painless" so long as you only try to do the few things they programmed their DRM player to do. The restrictions become a painful brick-wall the instant you want to do any other perfectly legal thing.

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  6. Why do this? by Offwhite98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By breaking the means the industry hopes to use to make their business viable you are only going to force them to cancel future projects which make music and other media easy for consumers to buy. Not everything can be free. Do you expect to get paid for a days work? And if Apple is forced to end their service because everyone just steals the music, then what will be left with? I will tell you. Microsoft will push a DRM-based protection scheme which is based on hardware and locks out non-Windows users.

    Stop screwing these companies!

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    1. Re:Why do this? by GoofyBoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Must fight the temptation to feed the trolls.....

      >If people aren't willing to pay you for the music you make, do you really deserve to make any money just because you spent a few hours playing guitar and singing?

      Its not that they are not willing to pay. Its that they are TAKING the music and paying nothing.

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    2. Re:Why do this? by Frac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People just want to use their personal private property which they bought and paid for in whatever way they see fit, such as playing their songs on a non-Apple, non-Microsoft platform. What's the problem with that?

      Bullshit. You can already do that within iTunes. Just burn to a CD.

      Apple's DRM attempts to lock out non-Apple, non-Microsoft users.

      Bullshit. Apple's DRM doesn't attempt to lock out anything. Burn it to a CD, and you can do whatever you want with it.

    3. Re:Why do this? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I say you are 100% wrong. I say that artificially limiting the functionality that digitization can provide is like saying, "I won't buy a car because cars are putting all those horse-and-buggy sellers out of business." I say that in order to move forward as a civilization we need to fully embrace the benefits of new technology and let new ideas about how to make a living using it emerge. DRM is just trying to stuff a square peg into a round hole. Instead, we should be concentrating on what new, never before thought of things the square peg will enable.

      Just because you (and theoretically the RIAA/MPAA) can't see a way to run a profitable "content" business in a fully digital world doesn't mean it can't be done yet, it just means you haven't figured it out yet.

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    4. Re:Why do this? by darnok · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Consider the issue of DRM-enabled music from the perspective of someone who doesn't download illegal music, but who has a mix of devices (home stereo, desktop PC with CD player, MP3 player, laptop PC, car CD stacker, ...) that they use to listen to music. At a guess, there are quite a few people who fall into this category.

      There was a time just a few years ago when, if I bought a music CD, I could play it anywhere. I could play it at home, on my computer, in my car, in the PC at work... - whereever I wanted to play it, it worked. I could copy it to tape and listen to it in my Walkman, and it was all totally legal.

      Today, the record company model appears to be based around consumers buying music for use in exactly one device. Music CDs are now "enhanced" to try to prevent people playing them on their computers; paid-for, downloaded music is now DRM-wrapped so it can't be burned to music CDs and played on home stereos or in cars. Based on this, you have to assume record companies expect people to buy multiple copies of the same piece of music if they want to listen to it on a mixture of devices.

      That would be fine if I could buy several copies of a piece of music (as is now necessary to play in all my devices) for the same price or less than I used to pay for a single music CD that I could play on all of them. In fact, it would be a great thing if there was some music (e.g. music that I only listen to while working out, and not on my home stereo) that I only wanted to listen to on one type of device - I wouldn't need to buy the version that played on my home stereo, so I'd be saving some money.

      What the record companies have done, however, is to charge full price for each piece of music on each medium. Whereas before I could buy a single music CD for $X and play it anywhere, now I need to buy the music CD and download the DRM-wrapped WMA or AAC file and it costs more money than it did before.

      A lot of people would get upset at that point, but even that situation might be tolerable if (a) the record companies offered a bundle of both CD and WMA/AAC files at a suitably discounted cost, (b) they made the purchase process a particularly enjoyable experience, (c) they offered me some bonus over and above the music I'd paid for, such as maybe cheap/free concert tickets or a DVD of a few tracks, (d) any combination of the above. Unfortunately, none of these are happening.

      In a nutshell, people are expected to pay multiple times for something they used to pay for once. Not only that, they're told they're "stealing" if they don't, and are faced with ridiculous laws and enforcement techniques.

    5. Re:Why do this? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when duplication of property has the same economic ramifications as theft of property, it should carry the same penalty.

      Why? If you want the world to agree to bear some threat of a penalty, how do they benefit? You've got to remember that copyright is intended to help the public -- not artists. You don't seem too solicitous of the public right there, my lad.

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    6. Re:Why do this? by Frac · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh sure, if I want to listen to my music on linux I have to waste my time burning it to CD and then re-ripping it - because Apple has excluded non-Apple, non-MS platforms from playing the AAC files.

      There's no evidence that Apple would never release iTunes for Linux. Likewise, Windows didn't get iTunes support until recently. That's just a limitation of resources, and nothing to do with excluding certain people.

      Furthermore, what you just said reveals your REAL reason against the DRM. Not some political stance about Apple locking out other platforms (which is clearly untrue), but that you're too lazy to burn the songs to remove the DRM.

      That's just... pathetic.

    7. Re:Why do this? by shark72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Music CDs are now "enhanced" to try to prevent people playing them on their computers; paid-for, downloaded music is now DRM-wrapped so it can't be burned to music CDs and played on home stereos or in cars."

      But in this case, music purchased from iTMS can be burned to CD and played on home stereos and in cars.

      Perhaps the question is "what specific problem does this hack address?". For practical purposes, the big one is:

      1. iTMS users were prevented from taking the music they'd downloaded, and then distributing it freely and widely by e-mailing it to all their friends or posting it on Kazaa.

      Are there any others? Is there something I'm missing? I'm aware that the iTunes software requires you to re-order your playlist after burning it ten times, but is downloading a DRM stripper really a better solution than just reordering your playlist?

      For now, I'm siding with what some others have said: Apple has gone out of their way to create a usable, affordable service with easy-to-live-with DRM. Their success has hopefully helped convince rightsholders that online distribution can work. Apple doesn't deserve to be pissed on like this.

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    8. Re:Why do this? by newbiescum · · Score: 3, Insightful
      My key point is: if I'm going to have to download AAC files (which costs me money), then burn them to CD (which also costs me money) in order to listen to them on my other systems.

      You paid for a digital file. If you had paid for the CD, you would have had to rip the CD, then transfer it to your MP3 player of choice or whatever. There are costs involved in going from one device to another whether it be in the form of time or money. The world is built on many incompatible standards.

      However, at US$0.99 a song from iTMS, multiplied by the number of songs on a typical CD, it's awful close to the cost of buying a CD from the shop *and* I've now got less than I used to get buying a physical CD.

      Most albums on iTunes Music Store are $9.99 (or less) for the entire album whether it had 11 songs or 18 songs or however many that were on the CD. If the album had 2 CDs, you pay more ($17 or so were a few). If the CD had less than 10 songs, you pay only $0.99 multiplied by the number of songs.

      I'm not too sure where you live but most CDs in the US are $13-$15 just by doing casual shopping. Getting the full CD for $9.99 plus the cost of one CD-R ($0.15 or so if you buy in bulk) is hardly that huge of a cost. The only things you lose are the liner notes and the album art (well you get the front cover art as a BMP but I don't think many people will print it out) and maybe the jewel case if you're nitpicky.

      The record companies haven't had to create a physical CD, ship it to store, and the bricks-and-mortar shop hasn't had to pay the expense of floor space to have it displayed somewhere. The non-existent shop hasn't had to train and employ people to handle the exchange of goods for cash, nor deal with stock control and cash flow issues that come from operating any physical-goods-for-money business. I'd like the record companies to acknowledge this and pass on these savings via lower costs for purchasing downloaded music.

      Are you saying that you're just magically getting the files and that bandwidth is free? Apple provides the servers, service, software (for free even if you don't download songs and it's a fair audio media player at the least), bandwidth, etc. Imagine all the non-tech-savvy people calling the tech support lines to find out how they can share files and whatnot. That is costly. They went and got the actual audio masters and ripped it directly instead of just ripping a CD. The record companies still (need to) do promotions for the artists. There are still some costs involved.

      Also, you get to preview 30 seconds of any song that way you can also decide if you want the entire album or just the single song that got you interested in the first place. I've personally abused this feature by checking out various albums to see if I would like to get the whole thing or just the single. You get to buy individual tracks when before you only had the option of buying the single CDs that were out before and if an album contained a song that wasn't available separately, you were stuck wasting more money. You have search features, easy recommendations, top 100 lists, celeberity playlists (I find them useless but others I know like the feature), exclusives, you didn't have to drive somewhere to buy the CD, practically no wait times, etc.

      The record companies are probably charging an arm and a leg more than they should. You do get somewhat of a cheaper price for the music, and for me, I didn't care too much for the physical media laying around so it works out for me. I just wanted to say that there are still plenty of costs involved. Looking at other Internet businesses, while there are surely great savings to be found, for the most part, the real advantage is the free shipping and no tax in certain stores.

      iTMS isn't perfect by any means. I don't like DRM but the personal usage rights actually are decent. I don't like the idea of paying tax on an Internet purchase when I never have before. I would like higher quality files and even a better selection, but hey, it's acceptable right now.

  7. Whats the point? by GabrielF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are plenty of programs out there that will capture your computer's audio output. WireTap for example is a free Mac utility from Amrbosia that does this. You can also burn your music to audio CD and re-rip it as an MP3. I don't see why this is a big deal. Apple's DRM is fair and people who buy songs from iTunes already have the opportunity of using something like KaZaA but have chosen not to. This isn't going to make any exclusive content available on KaZaA or anything. Reading the description I think the whole point is just to try to humiliate Apple and the music industry. If thats the case its a bad thing, because Apple is FINALLY turning the music industry around on digital music.

  8. DRM Cracks are the Heisman Trophey of Geekdom by EvanKai · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why put your name on the crack? Why even crack it in the first place? Why eat the Apple?

    Because we're human.

  9. Re:Why Bother: by joekra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The method you describe causes some loss of quality

    DRM AAC -> AIFF -> AAC

    This method does the following

    DRM AAC -> AAC

  10. I don't know about this by marderj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple has been pretty liberal with their protected aac files compared to some other digital music retailers. Play on up to 3 computers, burn to cd, play on iPod. I've bought about 250-300 songs from iTMS and have never been inconvenienced by their DRM. Do you think their DRM being cracked might change any of this? I can just imagine the RIAA trying to use this as an excuse to implement some sort of draconian measures. For years now people have been screaming for fair online digital distribution. We finally get something that works well and is fair on both sides and some jackass cracks it. I sort of feel like next time the RIAA dupes some ignorant senator into introducing some insane bill that completely infringes on our rights we're not going to have a leg to stand on. Apple gave people what they asked for, then got shit on. What does everyone else think?

    1. Re:I don't know about this by jarito030507 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ok, I'm sorry but this is a little short-sighted. Just because you happen to like iTunes doesn't mean that the rest of us do. People who use multiple OS's can't use the files. I can't use them in my MP3 player or in my Discman that plays MP3 CD's. I can't use them in my car stereo which does the same. I have to use Apple's idiot player to play the damn files. iTunes uses 30-40MB of RAM while running, that's not a price I'm willing to pay. Why should I? I have been using Winamp for years, I donated to the project, why should I have to use another player? It's my music, I have the right to use it in any way I choose as long as I don't give it away. Your definition of "something that works" is a little off, iTunes does not work for me and I would be there are some people who will agree with me.

      iTunes is a step in the right direction, but it's going to be a while before the RIAA et al figures out that DRM is an impossible dream. Any system that is created will be broken. As soon as an online music store sells me music in an open format that I can do whatever I want with, I will be there. Until then, thank you Jon!

    2. Re:I don't know about this by X_Bones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You've hit the nail right on the head; you should get modded up all the way. If I can pay a buck a song and be able to play the file on my computer, burn it to a CD, and listen to it on an iPod, I'd say that's a pretty good deal. But this guy (who really, really should have known better after everything he's been through) releases a tool to strip DRM info from a song, and putting the code and ideas into the the hands and heads of anyone who wants it, and for what reason? For free distribution, I assume, or lossless conversion to MP3 (as opposed to burning and re-ripping it). Neither of these grant you too much more freedom of action (without breaking any laws, at least) beyond what is allowed already.

      So yeah, you're right, we cried and cried for a cheap and legal way to buy music over the internet, and now this idiot goes and cracks the DRM of the most liberal licensing scheme he could find. The RIAA is gonna scream bloody murder and foist more legislation on us, and I'm probably going to agree with them.

    3. Re:I don't know about this by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't have to use iTunes, you know. You don't have to buy Apple's music at all. What Apple is selling you is music that has to be listened to using their software and hardware. That's the ACTUAL product that you're getting. If you don't like the product, don't buy it, and don't ruin it for the rest of us. I hope Apple shuts this hole quickly so I don't have to put up with the RIAA imposing some draconian measure that only lets you play the songs on one computer during a full moon with four lawyers looking over your shoulder. It hasn't even reached Canada yet, and you're already trying to make it so that nobody has any right at all.

      Oh, and don't give me the line that you're doing this as some sort of protest and this is all very altruistic. Altruists don't hide in their basement, quietly breaking the law. If you're going to protest, get on the news. Shout your name and address to the heavens, say that you're going to keep doing this until your rights are acknowledged, and music is as free as you believe it should be. Breaking your terms of agreement with Apple in the safety of your home doesn't impress anyone, and doesn't get anything done.

    4. Re:I don't know about this by MoneyT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ok, I'm sorry but this is a little short-sighted. Just because you happen to like iTunes doesn't mean that the rest of us do. People who use multiple OS's can't use the files. I can't use them in my MP3 player or in my Discman that plays MP3 CD's.

      Jesus I''m sick and tired of hearing this shit over and over again. Look, the AAC files are designed to play on devices with AAC playback ability. If your portable won't play it, bitch at the manufacturer. Second, CDs won't play on my portable casset player, cassets wont play on my portable CD player and my CDs won't play on my iPod. You know what I do? I fucking convert the format like I always have and just like you can do with iTMS files. Jesus you people are whiney.

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  11. joys and sorrows by jamienk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Joy: Being able to listen to any of my songs the second it occurs to me
    Sorrow: having to "authorize" myself to listen to music that I love

    Joy: sharing my favorite songs with my friends
    Sorrow: Having to spend hrs giving friends tech support dealing with work arounds to stupid DRM measures that make them feel lost

    Joy: finding new music that I love
    Sorrow: fearing getting busted for checking out someone's recomendation

    Joy: art, technology, freedom
    Sorrow: greedy fuckers; the constant vigilance freedom requires

    Joy: Cracking the shit out of IP
    Sorrow: It's come to this: having to justify it to the stupid Slashdot consumers

  12. BFD by petard · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is not exactly a "crack" in the DRM scheme. It's not even very interesting. First off, even if the author manages to produce working code (as well he should, IMO), it will only work on AAC's that you are licensed to play and export. Secondly, everyone, even Apple, acknowledges that their DRM has a hole so large you could drive a truck through it. Their own software gives you the ability to export to an unprotected digital format: the audio CD.

    It's also noteworthy that similar code has been circulating quietly for quite some time on the Mac side. Anyone with even moderate knowledge of the QuickTime APIs could implement code to do this with minimal effort. It's trivial. I myself have written code that re-encodes the protected AAC's to MP3 so that I can play them on an old Rio that I still use sometimes. It's such a small bit of obvious code that I've never bothered to distribute it; anyone who needs it can produce it themselves. Hell, it may even be available here. If not, one of the QuickTime samples requires only small modifications to make it work.

    I guess we should all say, "Way to go, Mr. Johansen. You've demonstrated the ability to learn the QuickTime API. Congratulations." Did he feel the need to publish his first "Hello, World" on the web as well? (I don't wish to disparage his work on DeCSS... that was good. This is not on the same scale at all, though!)

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    1. Re:BFD by joekra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      t's also noteworthy that similar code has been circulating quietly for quite some time on the Mac side. Anyone with even moderate knowledge of the QuickTime APIs could implement code to do this with minimal effort. It's trivial. I myself have written code that re-encodes the protected AAC's to MP3 so that I can play them on an old Rio that I still use sometimes.

      No! No! No!

      You don't think this is interesting because you do not understand what it does.

      The Mac tools/code you talk of takes Protected AAC, decodes it to raw Audio (PCM/AIFF) and then Reencodes it.

      This takes Protected AAC to Unprotected AAC. No transcoding (no loss of quality) involved.

    2. Re:BFD by panaceaa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The hack allows you can get an unprotected AAC from a protected AAC losslessly. Using the audio CD method would require re-encoding and the use of a CDR. I agree that it's not as neat as DeCSS, but it does provide a better quality unprotection mechanism than was available before.

  13. What DRM issue does this really fix, though? by snStarter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't get it. You can burn your own CD from the QT files you buy from the iTunes store right? And after they are on CD you can make MP3s of them and do what you will, no DRM associated with them.

    So, beyond the rather adolescent desire to hack the encryption, what problem does this solve? There's just no reason. Once they're on CD it's as if you bought them at the store.

    It's just ego.

  14. Re:QuickTime hacked, not Apple DRM cracked by Blymie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't beat an army with a stronger will and with greater numbers. It's why the US lost in Vietnam and why things will always be cracked. You can't beat an army of pirates (some perhaps academics) willing to crack for free.

    Unless, of course, DRM makes it into all hardware, computers are sold with locked operating systems that can not be overridden, and Hollywood sees its dream of a completely controlled computer come to light.

  15. doesn't mean anything by austad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just because it's cracked doesn't mean a damn thing. Think about it, all of those songs are already available on P2P networks and newsgroups already. Most of them with superior bitrates.

    Just because someone else puts up an AAC of the file on P2P doesn't mean that it's going to cause people to download more illegally. If someone was going to steal the music, they'd just do it with MP3 or OGG, or whatever flavor is already out there.

    Think about it, this really does nothing to hurt Apple's business model. The percentage of people that are going to somehow benefit from a ripped AAC file and decide not to buy it from Apple instead is so low that it's insignificant.

    What this does mean though, is that I can now play my purchased music on my Linux workstation, and possibly get a portable player that's not an iPod that will play these. I'd say QTFairUse is an excellent name for it, because that's certainly what I'm going to use it for.

    Plus, why would one buy music from Apple, only to give it away to total strangers for nothing. I wouldn't. They way I see it, I paid for it, and if you want it, go buy your own.

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    1. Re:doesn't mean anything by jbotts · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You say it does nothing to hurt Apple's business model just before saying that it would allow iTMS users to get a portable player other than an iPod. There have been numerous instances of Jobs and other Apple executives characterizing the iTMS as way to sell iPods, so the crack does actually do very real damage to Apple's business model even if we go no further than your own analysis.

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  16. No... just a change of hack. by gmby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just means you have to hack "hardware" rather than software/firmware. (digs for solder iron)

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  17. Apples Fence by fsterman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The _very_ nice thing about Apple is that this stuff doesn't matter too much. It would be simple to convert all those AAC's into something else (be it mp3, AIFF, or even a higher AAC and back down) to get rid of the DRM. It's called a fence, you can jump it or you can respect it. Unlike most schemes that require complicated check in and out Apple had the guts and financial sense to do something that will satisfy both sides. It will be interesting to see if the notorious Apple legal will go after this. From what I remember they didn't bust down on people that extended the iTunes music sharing beyond the LAN.

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  18. NO! by herrvinny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, people, this is NOT a good thing! Can't people figure out when there's a good thing happening, that they should sit the hell down and let it be? Think about it. Apple's DRM was pretty easy to break, just write the songs to CD and rip them back, without DRM. But the RIAA will use this as an excuse to put more and more DRM, more and more legislation. They'll say, "Well, whatever the computer industry puts out, hackers break it, so we need more legislation." And the Senate, House, and Bush will sign anything into law! Come on people, this is a bad THING!

    1. Re:NO! by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FWIW, I completely agree with your post. Some folks are just so concerned with whether or not they can do something, they don't stop to consider whether they should, eh? I've always been fond of that saying, and it certainly applies in this circumstance. I'm afraid your dead on about the RIAA looking to use this as another excuse for even more legislation. Let's just hope they are too busy suing little Sally and all of her little friends to take notice.

      I hope folks will be careful with what they do with this, in any case. Unless you put it on a T-shirt - I could alternate days between that and my DeCSS shirt!

      Who are we joking. If this works, it'll spread across the net quicker than you can say "I set the socal fires". :(

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    2. Re:NO! by prockcore · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the RIAA will use this as an excuse to put more and more DRM, more and more legislation. They'll say, "Well, whatever the computer industry puts out, hackers break it, so we need more legislation."

      News Flash: the RIAA doesn't need excuses to say whatever the hell they want to say. It's not like they were sitting around, hoping someone will break some DRM so they have a reason to demand more legislation.

  19. See what happens when you dont relase for linux by codepunk · · Score: 0, Insightful

    See what happens when you dont make a native release for the player for Linux first, you get OWN3D!.

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  20. Re:No excuse. by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about to play legitimately purchased songs on linux. Short of Wine, there's no other way to do that. Also, it is impossible to steal music here: you have to buy it before you can crack it.

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  21. Re:QuickTime hacked, not Apple DRM cracked by Erioll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It makes piracy a hassle for whom? Certainly not the pirates. They'll just go on sharing perfectly unenecrypted files.

    DRM only inconveniences the people who are paying for their music.

    Exactly. In reality, there are only a few types of people out there in terms of music, and piracy in general:

    • Die-hard Piraters: These people will pirate whatever they can, from whatever source. They pay for nothing, ever, be it software or music, movies, etc. VERY legally Liable
    • Convenience Piraters: If it's easy, and they think that the legal way of getting it is too expensive/inconvenient/restricting, they'll pirate stuff, but only at near-zero risk of getting caught. Only really liable to RIAA, and not worth pursuing.
    • Non-pirates, but Hackers (us): Won't do it because their morals actually tell them that even if it IS easy, if there is NO chance of getting caught, it's still wrong, and so they don't pirate anything because of morals, but wanting to help the little guy too.
    • RIAA and MPAA Lackeys: These people are the absolute angels to people like the MPAA and the RIAA. Do what you're told, buy our things at our terms, and we'll all be happy. Ya right, but they do exist, and at least they are safe from lawsuits (probably, but DMCAv2 and other things may make even the innocent guilty).

    The first group are NOT in large supply, but do provide a fair amount of content you otherwise wouldn't see, like movies out before they are in theatres, cracked full versions of expensive software tools (almost any Adobe product), etc. These people are NOT going to be stopped by anything short of MASSIVE inconvenience to pirate something, or uselessness even if they did. CD Keys for Online Play are a good example of foiling these people, at least to a degree. Games that have MOST of their value online (Quakes, *Craft, etc) will lose relatively fewer players to piracy, since the CD Keys will keep the online stuff straight (for the most part. I know that there are workarounds, etc, but this is in general).

    The Second group, of what I call "Convenience Piraters" is quite a large group. Most people who download music that they didn't buy fall into this catagory. They are also the group that is most easily targeted by Online Music Services like iTunes. Most times, the things pirated by them they see as not hurting anybody, and/or that it's overpriced anyways (music fits this perfectly). A moral discussion about this is a whole topic in itself, but most of these people don't see what they are doing as really "wrong", or else they probably wouldn't do it, because they are basically good people.

    The Fourth group of Lackeys is self-explanatory.

    US! Some of us sometimes fall under Convenience Pirates, but most of the time we don't. But most of us believe in Fair Use, and we make many great tools that let us use our LEGALLY obtained media and other things. MPlayer should be completely legal everywhere, as any other "player" should be. Same thing as DeCSS. The first group of rampant pirates use tools like DeCSS to pirate and hurt people, but people like us use them for playing our stuff, not distributing it to 100k people.

    We are the most misunderstood group, but also often the easist to target with lawsuits, like Jon Lech Johansen with DeCSS, and recently with the iTunes crack. We want to use our legally purchased stuff however we want, and even though bad apples (that first group again) will misuse it, that doesn't mean that it should be illegal.

    It is ironic how Sony went to bat for the consumer in the BetaMax case with VCRs, and is now on the RIAA's side for music. These companies need to realize that if iTunes distributed music in OGG format, that piracy would not go up much, if at all. People would be HAPPY with what they have, and any distribution of such files would be 100% illegal, with NO legal middle ground. (For those who don't know, in the early da

  22. Re:QuickTime hacked, not Apple DRM cracked by SiliBelgian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try selling those things and you will understand why Microsoft works together with Phoenix on a BIOS that doesn't allow you to plug in "unauthorized devices". All for your own safety of course...
    Don't worry, if this thing (= TCPA) comes, they will have each and every loophole covered. The only difficulty they might come accross is splitting it down the throats of their customers.

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  23. Re:QuickTime hacked, not Apple DRM cracked by adrianbaugh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That comment shows why DRM is nothing to do with fair use.
    If you bought a DRMed track then fair use probably allows you to re-encode it as a non-DRMed track for personal listening on a machine that can't cope with DRMed tracks.
    However, being able to remove the DRM from a file doesn't give you the right to redistribute the content (via kazaa or whatever) whether you bought the track or not.
    DRM systems that can be rendered useless by the breaking of a single version of a single player application are useless as a means of prevention of the redistribution of copyrighted material - you can bet that if a vulnerable application exists the big-business pirates will get a copy of that application. As it stands the DRM on DVDs has been rendered useless; the DRM on Apple's AAC files may be about to be rendered useless; I wouldn't bet against Microsoft's WMA being broken at some point (it only takes one faulty version of Windows Media Player, remember). DRM has not, does not and will not prevent commercial 'piracy'; it just restricts the utility of digital media formats to the average consumer.
    This is why, even back in the day, the DeCSS case[0] was so important. It demonstrated that DRM mechanisms were only as robust as their most fragile player application (and therefore, given that software is inherently buggy, fundamentally unsound as an honest business method).

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  24. RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The -only- thing that things like this do are to strengthen the RIAA's already weak position.

    Way to go, people.

    We preach on and on about having a service that offers music at a fair price (or at least gives it a go) and what do we do? We try to get around it. Obviously, P2P isn't good enough.

    At least we're not hypocrites, right?

    FFS.

  25. Apple's DRM does get in the way by sjonke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For most the limitations of the iTMS tracks probably isn't an issue, for me it is and as such I choose not to buy music from it, instead to buy a CD and rip to unprotected AAC. We have more than 3 computers I would like to be able to play music on. An older iMac hooked up to the stereo which is the main in-home music box. A computer that is destined to reside in the trunk of my car hooked up to the car stereo. A PowerBook that I use commonly to play music at work and an older iBook that gets used to play the music from the iMac elsewhere in the house. I can't use all 4 for Apple DRM'd music. Why not? They are our computers and its our music and I should be able to play the music on any of them. Why only 3 allowed? If the number were 100 it would be just as effective at stopping mass distribution and such a number really wouldn't limit legal owners of the music.

    As such I look forward to a completed version of this tool and its availability on the Mac (though I presumably could run the Windows version in VirtualPC). Not to get music from others (as has been noted it wouldn't offer anything you can't already get via other easier means) but to allow me to use music purchased on iTMS as I see fit and without audio quality loss. Indeed the availability of this tool would make me reconsider purchasing music from the iTMS - currently there's compelling enough reasons to no do so and so I don't.

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  26. But its probably irrelevant... by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because if you're intent on pirating commercially, you'll just buy the CD in the first place. What's $12 for a CD if you're intending on ripping off the thing and selling it illegally?

    This is kind of a tempest in a teapot, really.

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  27. When will they get it? by localman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are _obviously_ willing to pay (oh, say, about $.99) for good download speeds and high-quality encoding. Most people who use the Music Store don't care that it's "legal" or "right" or whatever. Apple just found the right price point for what they offer -- a better user experience than the free services like KaZaa, Gnutella, etc.

    However... I have had some very annoying problems with the iTunes DRM recently. Got the main logic board replaced in my laptop (by Apple) and suddenly couldn't play my purchased music. Couldn't re-authorize because I'd already authorized three machines and now one was gone forever (didn't know in advance that they'd be replacing the logic board, or that I would lose my rights if they did). Had to email support and wait about 48 hours to get my music back by deauthorizing the other computer. And they warned me that "we don't normally do this".

    Another time I wanted to email a song to a friend -- I thought he'd like it and maybe buy the album. Of course he couldn't play it. Nice.

    More recently I purchased music and I was _never_ able to play it -- I'm told it's already authorized on three machines even though I've yet to play it once. Whatever. I guess I have to contact Apple support again.

    I don't feel this is really Apple's fault -- they've done as well as you can with DRM, but the fact is that it just sucks. I now realize that I paid for an _inferior_ product to what I could have gotten for free. I would rather download a bit slower, get a lower bitrate, and be able to use my damn music like I can with any other medium!

    Now, if they combined high-quality, fast dowloads, and free usage, then most people would STILL buy the the songs for $.99 and they would actually be happy with their purchase a year or two later when they've had to move it across machines or whatever other diallowed activieties that we normally do without thinking when using CD's or whatever. As it is, I think people will sour on this over time.

    Okay -- I'm rambling now, but the point is that they'd be doing at least as well without the DRM, and customers would be happier longterm. That's how they should be competing with P2P -- not by putting out products that are superior in some ways and vastly inferior in others.

    Stupid RIAA. I'm glad to pay for what I want if you offered it. As it is I think I'll go steal some RIAA music. Or buy some independent stuff.

    Cheers all.

    1. Re:When will they get it? by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another time I wanted to email a song to a friend -- I thought he'd like it and maybe buy the album. Of course he couldn't play it. Nice.

      I think the word you're looking for is "Duh."

      I don't feel this is really Apple's fault -- they've done as well as you can with DRM, but the fact is that it just sucks.

      DRM is not in the shape it needs to be, but it looks like it may never be. There simply isn't a non-invasive approach that can still tell how many times you've used said goods, and where, and keeps track of it legally.

      Apple has done the best they can, and it's certainly less invasive than Microsoft's own DRM.

      I now realize that I paid for an _inferior_ product to what I could have gotten for free. I would rather download a bit slower, get a lower bitrate, and be able to use my damn music like I can with any other medium!

      Firstly, you didn't pay for iTunes. You paid for the song(s). If you think they are an inferior product, stop buying them.

      If you feel that you can jump on Kazaa and download a song, then that is your right. But you forked over your $.99 and, as a geek, you really have no room to talk as to how you were 'hoodwinked' into buying something inferior.

      At this point I equate your rant to a child screaming for a piece of candy, then complaining about it when the candy got on his clothes. "They need to make better candy," the child would say.

  28. DRM Will Not Work by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    By breaking the means the industry hopes to use to make their business viable you are only going to force them to cancel future projects which make music and other media easy for consumers to buy.

    It is not possible for DRM to work. That's what researchers have been saying since day 1. If I can hear it, I can record it. These cracks aren't happening because people are unethical, they're happening because DRM is an inherently flawed idea. It's like asking people not to use pop-up blockers. Using an inherently broken technology in a way that is unpleasant to the end user is not ever going to stand the test of time. Even should police force be used it won't last forever - eventually the economic will of the consumer will be satisfied.

    This is not unlike the lesson learned from the dot-coms. It has to be both technologically practical and an improved satisfaction of wants or it will not work. Having one and wishing really hard that the other was true is like trying to sell the electric cars from the 1980's.

    The economic model behind music has got to change. Per-copy sales is not possible when copying has an arbitrarily close to zero cost. You can't charge for something that costs nothing.

  29. Re:Way to go by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't about fair use any more. This is about "fuck over any company that uses price tags."

    This is the most rational statement I've seen in this thread so far.

    You are exactly right. The natural price of copies is zero. The market is moving toward that natural price (though you have found a more colorful way to express this economic identity). The cost of copying IP is zero. Therefore, the natural price of copies is zero (the natural price in an economic system is equal to the unit cost of production).

    This entire argument has lost every last shred of whatever legitimacy it may have once had.

    On this I must disagree. It is just now gaining the very first glimmer of legitimacy. When people were claiming that it was just a matter of having the right feature-set to make the consumer want to pay a non-zero price for a good with a zero unit cost of production, it had no legitimacy.

    I'm not saying this is a good thing (though that is also true, but requires a much longer discourse on price theory), but it is as true as gravity.

  30. WHY!!!! Do you WANT the RIAA to win??? by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Cause thats all a hack like this will do.

    honestly we cant beat the RIAA, there is no way in hell unless california falls off the face of the earth (sorry to all those nice californians) , they are WAY too strong.

    SO Apple plays nice, they give us fair use, but give them the controls they want, but ONLY controls that limit trading, really if you need your songs to be on three computers at the same time, you have problems, but you can burn them and put them on as man iPods as you want. It's your music, you just have to make sure it stays YOUR music.

    So what do some of us do, PROVE that the whole lot of us are diviants and hack the freaking DRM, PROVING the RIAA right that they shoulkd have tighter control.

    They win. They couldnt win if Apple proved a DRM model could work and still could give the users the rights they where garenteed to have. But this proves that people dont care, they are willing to hack things and now willfully break the law (since it IS illegal to hack DRM files acouding to the DCMA no matter how flawed the law is) letting the RIAA say "See we need more control," and getting it, instead of them saying "See we need more control," and being asked why cause there is a proven model that shows they dont need it.

    WAKE UP EVERYONE, THE FREE NAPSTER RIDE IS OVER, If we want a feasable working internet media model that allows us to have films and music, and anything else, we have to make sacrafices.

    It's just like free speech, we all want it but the minute someone says something we dont like we try to censor them, and we cant. IT DOSEN'T WORK BOTH WAYS.

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    1. Re:WHY!!!! Do you WANT the RIAA to win??? by localman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cause thats all a hack like this will do.

      So we are to live in fear of an unjust corporation? We are to sacrafice our rights (yes, our RIGHTS) so as not to anger this bully?

      I'm sorry, but I think you've got it backwards. It's abusing your customers that is "over".

      I am glad to pay for music (and have paid for all I have). But you better sell it to me on fair terms or you've lost a customer and will encourage a black market.

      Imagine if LP's, tapes, or CD's could only be played on up to three players. Ridiculous. And you suggest we accept this?

      Cheers.

    2. Re:WHY!!!! Do you WANT the RIAA to win??? by localman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But we are talking about three COMPUTERS, not three players.

      But I can play any CD I buy on as many computers as I want. Why would I buy something new with restrictions? Especially when they have to compete (rightly or wrongly) with a black market that is providing unrestricted audio for free?

      Then there's the fact that I can't play it on computers that don't support iTunes, or players that aren't made by Apple. Imagine if a Sony CD could only be played on Sony CD players.

      Why are people happy to accept (and pay for) such a clear step backwards? I guess the RIAA has been so awful that we're thankful to only be mildly abused.

      So we have a DRM that works

      I admit Apple's DRM is better than anything else out there. But I've already bumped into the 3 computer limit twice. Tell me what happens if you've got three computers authorized amd one goes kaput and needs to be replaced.

      My point is that DRM doesn't work. At least not as well as plain old CD's. And I don't understand why we're so happy to pay for less functionality. It's nuts.

      thats why I support indie music

      Me too -- we can agree that is the best way..

      But breaking the law to get back at them only ends in us losing ALL rights as consumers.

      I don't break the law. I use my audio tracks legally and fairly. I don't use P2P. But I am glad that this utility will allow me to use my legally acquired songs in a trouble free manner on any computer or player I choose.

      we had a fighting chance, NOW we lose outright and its your fault.

      As long as people don't accept unfair treatment, history has shown again and again that in the end the public wins because the public drives business and government, not the other way around.

      Check out what happened with the printing press, the photocopier, cassette tapes, video tapes, cd rippers and burners, etc.

      Remember: every single person using the iTunes store would have used it just the same if there was no DRM. And every track on the iTunes store is already available for free on P2P networks. DRM accomplishes nothing but to annoy consumers. There is no reason we have to accept it. If the RIAA is going to live or die it has nothing to do with DRM.

      Thanks for the thoughtful reply!

      Cheers.

  31. Re:QuickTime hacked, not Apple DRM cracked by babyrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Therefore, it's questionable whether this is really circumventing a copy-protection mechanism, since this method only allows the "rightful licensee" to extract the AAC. If that's not fair use, then I don't know what is.

    This is absolutely circumventing copy protection, no question about it. The copy protection is there, preventing copying, and you make a copy, thus circumventing copy protection.

    Whether this act in and of itself is a copyright violation, or other illegal act depends upon what you do with the copy and where you happen to be when you do it (ie which laws are applicable in the country in which you are located). It certainly may be covered under 'fair use' guidelines, then again it may not, but that is a separate issue.

  32. There goes a lot of good things... by kageryu255 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great. I bet this completely hoses the Thanksgiving vacations of a large number of Apple employees. I wonder how many people in legal, software engineering, QA, and the make-nice-with-the-record-companies departments just had their plans for the week yanked right out from under them.

    Not to mention that this really damages a Good Thing.. even the most zealous anti-DRM person has to be able to understand that'll be easier to get the record industry to loosen their frantic grasp one finger at a time than to try to wrest their precious billions away from them and force drastic change. Yeah, bad for the big companies, big deal... but bad for the artists, bad for the Apple employees who worked their butts off to create this, bad for the end users when the record companies start calling it a failed experiment.

    I have sympathy for those who have difficulty with Apple's DRM terms. I hit the 3-computer cap myself... 2 machines at work, 1 laptop at home, 1 desktop at home, my girlfriend's tower... However, I have NO sympathy for people who bitch about it like Apple's out to ruin them. That clause about Apple reserving the right to change the terms whenever they want? If a huge petition is delivered to Apple politely clamoring for that limit to be raised to 4 or even 5 computers, who's to say they wouldn't do it, or at least try to convince the record companies? People who complain about it not being international? If they missed it, I suggest they check into the news that Apple is in heavy talks to get iTMS launched for international customers. If they saw that news and ignored it, then they should STFU.

    The iTMS isn't Apple out to rip off customers.. Apple has publicly admitted it's not a profit generator. It's there as an innovation, a jedi hand wave to get the record companies to realize there is a better way, to start them willingly down the path to change. I know a lot of people who spent 80+ hour weeks getting the iTMS launched, and their biggest fear was that someone would break the FairPlay system and bring it all crashing down.. while the impact to sales is hard to predict, how can these paranoid record companies who have til yet regarded online music download services as their big enemy (even if they're just a scapegoat for their own mistakes) learn to embrace this new technology that can be good for everyone?

    Trying to force revolution upon the record companies will just make them lash out, act irrationally, and fight all that much harder. It's better to get them to decide that what consumers want really is the right path. They have to make that decision.. then they think it's their idea, and they're much happier to go along with it!

    My opinion all boils down to one Japanese proverb about three feudal warlords:

    What if the bird will not sing?

    Nobunaga answers, "Kill it!"

    Hideyoshi answers, "Make it want to sing."

    Ieyasu answers, "Wait."

    Which of these is going to be the most effective? I guess your answer has a lot to do with your personality and the techniques you use to attain your goals.. but in feudal Japan, I think it's fair to say that Nobunaga's power was dramatic but short lived, Ieyasu's was complete but he had to wait quite a long time.. in fact, until everyone else had disappeared... Hideyoshi's story was the most impressive as he rose from a farmer's son employed as a sandal-bearer to absolute ruler of Japan.

    (OT: If that story intrigues anyone, check out the book "Taiko" by Eiji Yoshikawa -- he also wrote one about Musashi, the swordsman famous for his strategy and two-katana techniques)

  33. Re:TCPA loophole? by Alsee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as there's one link out there that is not controlled

    Yeah, you can try to find an ISP that doesn't force Trusted Computing on you. It can be a major problem though. But you are still going to be locked out of any websites and other things that use it.

    And once a signifigant number of ISP's use it they can enforce it end-to-end for the entire internet chain. Any ISP that doesn't use it could be locked out.

    there will be workaround drivers, etc that will provide the challenge/response mechanisms of TCPA without the DRM bullshit.

    I'm a programmer and I've studied the design. You can't work around it with drivers. The challenge/response mechanism is cryptographicly rock-solid and relies on keys locked in the hardware. Every ship has a different key and those keys can be revoked individually or every key from a given manufacture can be revoked en-mass if one of them botched their design.

    Barring a major mathematical breakthrough or fully functional quantum computers, the only way to defeat the system they've designed is a serious hardware hack. One method would be to dig your key out of the crypto chip. Chemically strip the chip and read your key with a high-power microscope. You could then run an emulated TCPA system and have total control over your computer. The other approach would be to allow the crypto chip to function normally but to seize control over signals on the motherboard. I think digging the key out is probably the easier option.

    Either method requires a pretty well stocked lab. A student could probably do it in a college lab. The problem is that either method really only "fixes" a single computer at a time. If you try to use the same key on multiple machines they could detect that and revoke the key. That forces you to dig out a seperate key for each computer.

    The REAL fix is for the news media to pick up on the real story and for the public to reject the system. There was an uproar that killed the Pentium3 CPU serial numbers, this is far nastier. The problem is that they are going to spend a fortune on disinformation and propaganda campaign claiming that it is a good thing.

    Every single argument in support of it can be shot down with a single argument: There is no possible jusification to forbid the owner from knowing his master key. Given identical hardware you still get every claimed benefit when the owner has his master key, and having your master key eliminates every possible way the system can be abused against the owner.

    It is an easy and non-technical concept that the public can understand:
    (1)The owner should be able to know his master key.
    (2)The mere fact that you know something cannot reduce your computer's ability to protect you.
    (3)Knowing your master key means that no one else can take control of your computer and use it against you.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with "new hardware", but the owner MUST be allows to have his master key.

    Of course the Trusted Computing Group will never willingly agree to do this, their defininition of "trusted" is that you can't control your computer. They want to trust the computer to enforce DRM against it's owner. Their whole strategy is to market the benefits of new hardware while ignoring/concealing the fact that it does not justify denying the owner his master key.

    They are/will be advertizing how good and nutritious apples are. Pointing out that they are packing cyanide pill inside isn't good enough. If we argue against poison apples we'll lose. People will buy the advertizing and take the good with the bad. We need to hit them with the argument that they are simply refusing to sell apples without poison pills. It will be a difficult argument because it is a technical issue, and they will do everything they can to dodge it. They are going to present it as an all-or-nothing package deal.

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  34. kinda by Stu+Charlton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Price isn't necessarily determined by costs, it's determined by what the market will bear. If the market will only bear 0 price music, then the system has broken down, and the opportunity cost of spending most of your time as an artist will become much steeper. We would dry up the primary pool of capital available that enables artistry as a profession instead of a hobby.

    This is not, in my opinion, in the interests of society, it's a tragedy of the (creative) commons.

    On the face of it, there needs to be recognition that all intellectual works are services, not products. This recognition could imply free copies as the norm, not the exception. But then we have a problem: the master copy costs $X to make and such costs (plus profit, which is really just a future cost) must be covered to create an economic system.

    The current system does this inequitably, but in an arguably much simpler manner than any potential alternatives: universal licensing, subscriptions, or perhaps, a capital-market model where you give the artist money after the fact to keep them making their art (whether software, music, etc.).

    I haven't heard of other viable alternatives from this crowd.

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  35. Re:The next step by localman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You've obviously never tried to use iTunes songs on more than three machines. Like what if one machine dies and you buy a new one? You're out of luck (unless you want to argue with Apple tech support each time). This happened to me twice in the past six months and I am very glad to be able to peel the DRM off of my LEGALLY ACQUIRED SONGS so I can play them where and when I want, for myself.

    Cheers.

  36. Re:Way to go by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You are exactly right. The natural price of copies is zero. The market is moving toward that natural price (though you have found a more colorful way to express this economic identity). The cost of copying IP is zero. Therefore, the natural price of copies is zero (the natural price in an economic system is equal to the unit cost of production).

    What about R&D costs? Say you're a pharmaceuticals company, and it costs you $10 million to research your new cure for cancer. However, the pills themselves only cost $10 to make. Do you charge $10, or something more to recoup your R&D cost?

    Arguing that the natural price is equal to merely the unit cost of production disregards all of the other non-manufacture costs that fall under 'production'.

    -T