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20 Years of Virii

DenOfEarth writes "News.com has an article outlining that it was around twenty years ago that a computer security reasearcher coined the term 'virus', and how the things have been running amok. Interestingly enough, when said researcher applyed for research funding to look into a blanket solution to this possible 'virus' problem, he was turned down."

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  1. Lets get this out of the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Virii is not a word.

    Drive safely.

    1. Re:Lets get this out of the way by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 4, Interesting

      English isn't Latin -- there's nothing wrong with 'viruses'. There's no reason to out of our way to make English even more irregular than it already is -- particular when 'virii' wouldn't be correct Latin anyway (it would have to be 'virius', not 'virus', for 'virii' to work).

    2. Re:Lets get this out of the way by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure it is. Virii are what attacks boxen...

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  2. not to nitpick by mabu · · Score: 5, Informative

    From dictonary.com:

    Q. What is the plural of virus?
    A. Viruses.
    It is not viri, or (which is worse) virii. True, the word comes directly from Latin, but not all Latin words ending in -us have -i as their plural. Besides, viri is the Latin word for 'men' (plural of vir, man, the root the English virile). There is in fact no written attestation of a Latin plural of virus.

    If you would like to pursue the subject further, see the excellent article What's the Plural of `Virus'? at Perl.com. If you have some knowledge of linguistics and Latin, you might be interested in the morphological analysis of the word from the Perseus Project.

    1. Re:not to nitpick by D-Cypell · · Score: 5, Funny

      He is right guys...

      Just checked it with MS Word spellchecker, virii gives me a squigly red underline, but viruses doesnt.

      and lets face it, if anyone should know...

    2. Re:not to nitpick by RML · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course it's spelled right. When in doubt, consult this handy chart:

      SINGLE PLURAL
      bonus bonii
      bus bii
      campus campii
      chorus chorii
      genius geniii
      plus plii
      virus virii
      walrus walrii

      This comment made of 100% recycled material.

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    3. Re:not to nitpick by tyrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot:

      Elvis Elvii

    4. Re:not to nitpick by EverDense · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just a small correction "bonii" is the plural of "penis".

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    5. Re:not to nitpick by ptbarnett · · Score: 4, Informative
      Given the existance of microscopic organisms wasn't taken seriously/believed to affect health until the 19th Century, what exactly where the Romans describing when they used the world "virus"?

      According to Dictionary.com:

      [Latin v*rus, poison.]

      There's a character in place of the '*' that I can't seem to duplicate in the text entry field.

  3. 20 years and a little analogy to biology by EmCeeHawking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put enough people into a system and it starts to behave like an organic system rather than individuals each doing their thing.

    Viruses, worms, trojans are way past the point of being expressions of individualistic derangement.

    They represent the nasty side of the biology of the Net: the fact that any simulated or real ecosystem produces more parasites than non-parasites, and that non-parasites have to spend a significant amount of energy fighting off the bugs.

    Two decades is not significant in itself, but it should be a stark warning that viruses are not going to go away, that the Net is turning "wild", and that we need something other than daily antivirus updates to keep our systems safe.

    1. Re:20 years and a little analogy to biology by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two decades is not significant in itself, but it should be a stark warning that viruses are not going to go away, that the Net is turning "wild", and that we need something other than daily antivirus updates to keep our systems safe.

      I agree completely. And I think this "something" fits into your analogy of the net being like an organic system. If you have any realistic expectation of staying alive and healthy, chances are you do not go around licking stairway railings or sticking your finger into electrical sockets. Knowing that these are not things one wants to do if one wants to stay alive, the average person consciously avoids doing such stupid things.

      And so it will need to be in the online world as well. If you have any reasonable expectation of keeping your computer running well (and keeping your data/privacy under your control), you cannot just go around running random programs with purple cartoon apes as mascots, and you cannot just go around opening every e-mail you receive. People will need to learn such things, just as we have learned what things are conducive to staying alive. Granted, many of the problems we experience today are the result of technology failing to protect people and their computers (automatically executing attachments, anyone?)... But a significant part of it is also a lack of education (or responsibility) when it comes to being a safe citizen on the net.

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  4. Lame viruses nowadays by CausticWindow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Viruses were much cooler in the early nineties. They didn't spread as wildfire on the internet, but at least they did cool thing as code morphing to foil antivirus programs.

    And why is this guy surprised that he doesn't get a grant for a "blanket solution" for viruses? I've got a blanket solution for world hunger and cancer, but I'm not getting any reasearch funding either.

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    1. Re:Lame viruses nowadays by boots@work · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm got a blanket solution for cold mornings.

  5. Ah memories by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in the good old days, I actually let my computer infect on purpose. Just once, yes, it was a bitch to clean. I got however the opportunity to dissect the thing in memory. I do not remember what year it was, but the Tequila virus was spreading like a wildfire. My AV detected the diskette with Tequilla. I had nothing important on the machine, disabled the AV, and staring hunting.

    While reading the live memory, I found a message stating "Tequilla and Beer forever" along with an address in Switserland if I recall correctly. Ah, those where the days.... Where viruses were no lame email worms but appended themselves to executables.

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  6. Re:Strange by stripmarkup · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read How to 0wn the Internet in Your Spare Time. It shows how someone with real knowledge of computer science and sufficient determination could create a virus far more destructive than anything seen to date.

    Perhaps the reason it has not happened yet is that those with the necessary skill and knowledge would rather spend the effort on something more fulfilling and/or profitable instead of annoying others while risking legal consequences.

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  7. Sorry to burst your bubble by MushMouth · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is no way there is a double in the plural of virus, even in latin the plural nominative would probably either be viri, or viruses. In english though it is definitely viruses see what the dictionary has to say

  8. First PC computer virus by mukund · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  9. 20 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    it was around twenty years ago that a computer security reasearcher coined the term 'virus',
    Right... except that in David Gerrold's "When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One" (1972) there's this bit of dialogue :

    "Do you remember the VIRUS program?"
    "Vaguely. Wasn't it some kind of computer disease or malfunction?"
    "Disease is closer. There was a science-fiction writer once who wrote a story about it--but the thing had been around a long time before that. ....etc. etc.

    (p. 175, in the 1975 Ballantine paperback reprint: I think I have the 1972 serialization in Galaxy somewhere in a box upstairs, but I can't be arsed to dig it out)

    Actually, as described in the succeeding pages, VIRUS was more of a worm (a term coined by John Brunner in "The Shockwave Rider", but you knew that already); but the idea of malware called a virus was around in the early 70s at least.

  10. Fred Cohen - BAH! by HisMother · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any time you read an article and see Fred Cohen's name, you can stop reading right there, because you know another so called "journalist" has fallen hook, line, and sinker for this guy's self-aggrandizing line of bullshit. Note that you'll never find an article quoting X as saying Fred Cohen is the father of computer viruses, unless X is Fred Cohen. He's shilling for his security consulting firm, plain and simple. He no more "invented" the computer virus than Al Gore invented the Internet. Please, Slashdot, stop feeding this buttplug's enormous ego!

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    1. Re:Fred Cohen - BAH! by NegativeK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any time you read an article and see Fred Cohen's name, you can stop reading right there, because you know another so called "journalist" has fallen hook, line, and sinker for this guy's self-aggrandizing line of bullshit.

      I'm calling you on this one. I've been reading quite a few books on viruses, and I've read Cohen's paper from 1984 on viruses, and his A Short Course on Computer Viruses. Both are _very_ informative. The paper from 1984 described experiments back in the day when people would say that there system is absolutely secure, no way to doo anything to it, period (people still say it, but back then, others believed them.) His Course on Viruses is also excellent - it has a very concise set-theoretic basis for viruses. He may very well be whoring for his security company (I wouldn't know), but don't doubt this man's ability to write concise, accurate, funny texts on the subject.

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  11. The article celebrates 20 years of misspelling. by IvyMike · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, watch my blog for the upcoming article, "20 years of people finally getting to use something from their high-school Latin class."

  12. The solution by bigberk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    blanket solution to this possible 'virus' problem

    There is one solution to the 'virus' problem that everyone in the networking and security field knows about, but which few professionals endorse due to conflicts with business and commerce.

    The solution to 'viruses' is diversity in systems. This stems from the biological viewpoint which makes us realize that while one type of system may be vulnerable to a specific flaw, a mix of different systems (each with their own properties) will offer greater resilience.

    Think of the Internet, and how much trouble has been caused by Microsoft Windows viruses. Because of the Microsoft monoculture, the Internet has come to the brink of disaster several times (worm outbreaks; flooding of DNS root servers; and most notably, spam and increasingly fragmented global communications as a result).

  13. A summary of the comments by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Allow me to tell the impatient what amazingly INSIGHTFUL comments are coming up:

    * 39 people reminding you that viruses is the corrent plural, not virii (of which 9 point to dictionary.com)
    * 13 people stating that no, virii is correct
    * 9 people questioning the manhood, charachter and evolutionary level of the people who defened virii.
    * 14 posts about the "good old days"
    * 6 comments on how someone should have patented viruses
    * 14 informational posts so far
    * and only one good joke (hint, you're reading it ;-) )

    (BTW: I'm too lazy to actaully count posts, all of the above numbers are 100% statistical, that is to say, 100% fiction.)

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  14. Re:The english language is not static by ifwm · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, it's not. Example, I can't make "dogii" the plural of "dog", nor can I make "fucking halfwitted moronii" the plural of "Moderation abuser" (though god help us if there really were two of you)