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20 Years of Virii

DenOfEarth writes "News.com has an article outlining that it was around twenty years ago that a computer security reasearcher coined the term 'virus', and how the things have been running amok. Interestingly enough, when said researcher applyed for research funding to look into a blanket solution to this possible 'virus' problem, he was turned down."

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  1. Lets get this out of the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Virii is not a word.

    Drive safely.

    1. Re:Lets get this out of the way by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 4, Interesting

      English isn't Latin -- there's nothing wrong with 'viruses'. There's no reason to out of our way to make English even more irregular than it already is -- particular when 'virii' wouldn't be correct Latin anyway (it would have to be 'virius', not 'virus', for 'virii' to work).

    2. Re:Lets get this out of the way by Malc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed.

      "Viri" is used by people trying to sound clever (i.e. being pretentious) but are really ignorant.

      "Virii" - well, what can I say? I hope that's just hope it was sticky keys and the author being too lazy to proof read.

    3. Re:Lets get this out of the way by jazman_777 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slashdot: 6 years of "virii" posing and arguing.

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    4. Re:Lets get this out of the way by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure it is. Virii are what attacks boxen...

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    5. Re:Lets get this out of the way by kalidasa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, no, viri is an acceptable plural of virus. The word virus is used in Vergil's Georgics; if you look it up in Lewis and Short (and I assume in the Oxford Latin Dictionary, which I don't have immediate access to), the plural in Latin is indeed viri. Yes, it's the same word as the plural of the word for man, vir.

    6. Re: Lets get this out of the way by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Informative


      > Actually, no, viri is an acceptable plural of virus. The word virus is used in Vergil's Georgics; if you look it up in Lewis and Short (and I assume in the Oxford Latin Dictionary, which I don't have immediate access to), the plural in Latin is indeed viri.

      The Oxford Latin Dictionary says that it always appears in the nom. sing. or acc. sing., with only two exceptions: once in the gen. sing. and once in the abl. sing., both in Lucretius. It also cites the use in Vergil's "Georgics" as malum ~us, "bad poison", i.e. not a plural. The Oxford Classical Text of the "Georgics" also shows malum uirus (line I.129).

      Possibly L&S were right and the OLD & OCT are wrong, but I doubt it.

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  2. not to nitpick by mabu · · Score: 5, Informative

    From dictonary.com:

    Q. What is the plural of virus?
    A. Viruses.
    It is not viri, or (which is worse) virii. True, the word comes directly from Latin, but not all Latin words ending in -us have -i as their plural. Besides, viri is the Latin word for 'men' (plural of vir, man, the root the English virile). There is in fact no written attestation of a Latin plural of virus.

    If you would like to pursue the subject further, see the excellent article What's the Plural of `Virus'? at Perl.com. If you have some knowledge of linguistics and Latin, you might be interested in the morphological analysis of the word from the Perseus Project.

    1. Re:not to nitpick by D-Cypell · · Score: 5, Funny

      He is right guys...

      Just checked it with MS Word spellchecker, virii gives me a squigly red underline, but viruses doesnt.

      and lets face it, if anyone should know...

    2. Re:not to nitpick by RML · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course it's spelled right. When in doubt, consult this handy chart:

      SINGLE PLURAL
      bonus bonii
      bus bii
      campus campii
      chorus chorii
      genius geniii
      plus plii
      virus virii
      walrus walrii

      This comment made of 100% recycled material.

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    3. Re:not to nitpick by tyrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot:

      Elvis Elvii

    4. Re:not to nitpick by EverDense · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just a small correction "bonii" is the plural of "penis".

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    5. Re:not to nitpick by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Serious question: Given the existance of microscopic organisms wasn't taken seriously/believed to affect health until the 19th Century, what exactly where the Romans describing when they used the world "virus"?

      IIRC, it wouldn't have been medical: the Romans used a health model based upon the "four humours" (blood, mucus, etc) where illnesses that we today would attribute to a virus were then seen in terms of surpluses or shortages within the body of a particular humour. At that point, I don't believe Romans had the technology to see microscopic organisms, let alone associate them with illness and disease.

      So what did "virus" mean?

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    6. Re:not to nitpick by ptbarnett · · Score: 4, Informative
      Given the existance of microscopic organisms wasn't taken seriously/believed to affect health until the 19th Century, what exactly where the Romans describing when they used the world "virus"?

      According to Dictionary.com:

      [Latin v*rus, poison.]

      There's a character in place of the '*' that I can't seem to duplicate in the text entry field.

  3. 20 years and a little analogy to biology by EmCeeHawking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put enough people into a system and it starts to behave like an organic system rather than individuals each doing their thing.

    Viruses, worms, trojans are way past the point of being expressions of individualistic derangement.

    They represent the nasty side of the biology of the Net: the fact that any simulated or real ecosystem produces more parasites than non-parasites, and that non-parasites have to spend a significant amount of energy fighting off the bugs.

    Two decades is not significant in itself, but it should be a stark warning that viruses are not going to go away, that the Net is turning "wild", and that we need something other than daily antivirus updates to keep our systems safe.

    1. Re:20 years and a little analogy to biology by .com+b4+.storm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two decades is not significant in itself, but it should be a stark warning that viruses are not going to go away, that the Net is turning "wild", and that we need something other than daily antivirus updates to keep our systems safe.

      I agree completely. And I think this "something" fits into your analogy of the net being like an organic system. If you have any realistic expectation of staying alive and healthy, chances are you do not go around licking stairway railings or sticking your finger into electrical sockets. Knowing that these are not things one wants to do if one wants to stay alive, the average person consciously avoids doing such stupid things.

      And so it will need to be in the online world as well. If you have any reasonable expectation of keeping your computer running well (and keeping your data/privacy under your control), you cannot just go around running random programs with purple cartoon apes as mascots, and you cannot just go around opening every e-mail you receive. People will need to learn such things, just as we have learned what things are conducive to staying alive. Granted, many of the problems we experience today are the result of technology failing to protect people and their computers (automatically executing attachments, anyone?)... But a significant part of it is also a lack of education (or responsibility) when it comes to being a safe citizen on the net.

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    2. Re:20 years and a little analogy to biology by mehgul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They represent the nasty side of the biology of the Net: the fact that any simulated or real ecosystem produces more parasites than non-parasites, and that non-parasites have to spend a significant amount of energy fighting off the bugs.

      Yeah maybe, but as in the real world where we're mostly healthy, we still can use our computers productively most of the time. Granted, I run OS X, but even when I'm on a Windows box I still fight the system more than the viruses. The energy I spend cursing MS products is far more significant. Your analogy works better if Windows is the parasite, not the viruses.
      However if you take a smaller "ecosystem", like the e-mail, it works much better.

  4. Lame viruses nowadays by CausticWindow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Viruses were much cooler in the early nineties. They didn't spread as wildfire on the internet, but at least they did cool thing as code morphing to foil antivirus programs.

    And why is this guy surprised that he doesn't get a grant for a "blanket solution" for viruses? I've got a blanket solution for world hunger and cancer, but I'm not getting any reasearch funding either.

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    1. Re:Lame viruses nowadays by boots@work · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm got a blanket solution for cold mornings.

  5. The non-word 'virii' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    is spreading like a... yeah.

  6. Ah memories by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in the good old days, I actually let my computer infect on purpose. Just once, yes, it was a bitch to clean. I got however the opportunity to dissect the thing in memory. I do not remember what year it was, but the Tequila virus was spreading like a wildfire. My AV detected the diskette with Tequilla. I had nothing important on the machine, disabled the AV, and staring hunting.

    While reading the live memory, I found a message stating "Tequilla and Beer forever" along with an address in Switserland if I recall correctly. Ah, those where the days.... Where viruses were no lame email worms but appended themselves to executables.

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  7. Ignored by the NSF? by Prof.+Pi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the article:

    When he asked for funding from the National Science Foundation three years later to further explore countermeasures, the agency rebuffed him.

    A typical problem with getting research funded (or published) is that the gatekeepers, the people who decide what gets funded/published, often choose what is worthy based on their own research interests. One generally has to have established a track record to become a gatekeeper, which means that new ideas are often shut out, while researchers pursue what they think are the current "fashions."

    James Gleick (author of Chaos) tells how he was warned by professors that he'd ruin his career wasting his time with this "chaos" nonsense. (Fortunately, he ignored them.)

  8. Re:Strange by stripmarkup · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read How to 0wn the Internet in Your Spare Time. It shows how someone with real knowledge of computer science and sufficient determination could create a virus far more destructive than anything seen to date.

    Perhaps the reason it has not happened yet is that those with the necessary skill and knowledge would rather spend the effort on something more fulfilling and/or profitable instead of annoying others while risking legal consequences.

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  9. Sorry to burst your bubble by MushMouth · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is no way there is a double in the plural of virus, even in latin the plural nominative would probably either be viri, or viruses. In english though it is definitely viruses see what the dictionary has to say

  10. Re:Virus methods by Kirill+Lokshin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remote exploits on unpatched machines go back quite a while too, at least to 1988 (the Morris worm).

    As long as there are security holes in programs that interface with the network (such as sendmail), people will try to use them for malicious (or at least non-beneficial) purposes.

  11. First PC computer virus by mukund · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  12. Re:English lessons. by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We don't speak Latin. In english, the plural of virus is virii. No doubt about it

    In English, AFAIK, the plural of a word ending with 's' is 'ses'. Hence virus -> viruses.

    'virii' does bear some resemblance to _Latin_ plurals. For example, the plural of 'radius' is 'radii' which is a Latin plural, but used in English as well. Note that here 'us' changes into 'i', which is why you might argue that virus -> viri (single 'i' at the end).

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  13. 20 years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    it was around twenty years ago that a computer security reasearcher coined the term 'virus',
    Right... except that in David Gerrold's "When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One" (1972) there's this bit of dialogue :

    "Do you remember the VIRUS program?"
    "Vaguely. Wasn't it some kind of computer disease or malfunction?"
    "Disease is closer. There was a science-fiction writer once who wrote a story about it--but the thing had been around a long time before that. ....etc. etc.

    (p. 175, in the 1975 Ballantine paperback reprint: I think I have the 1972 serialization in Galaxy somewhere in a box upstairs, but I can't be arsed to dig it out)

    Actually, as described in the succeeding pages, VIRUS was more of a worm (a term coined by John Brunner in "The Shockwave Rider", but you knew that already); but the idea of malware called a virus was around in the early 70s at least.

  14. Fred Cohen - BAH! by HisMother · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any time you read an article and see Fred Cohen's name, you can stop reading right there, because you know another so called "journalist" has fallen hook, line, and sinker for this guy's self-aggrandizing line of bullshit. Note that you'll never find an article quoting X as saying Fred Cohen is the father of computer viruses, unless X is Fred Cohen. He's shilling for his security consulting firm, plain and simple. He no more "invented" the computer virus than Al Gore invented the Internet. Please, Slashdot, stop feeding this buttplug's enormous ego!

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    1. Re:Fred Cohen - BAH! by NegativeK · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any time you read an article and see Fred Cohen's name, you can stop reading right there, because you know another so called "journalist" has fallen hook, line, and sinker for this guy's self-aggrandizing line of bullshit.

      I'm calling you on this one. I've been reading quite a few books on viruses, and I've read Cohen's paper from 1984 on viruses, and his A Short Course on Computer Viruses. Both are _very_ informative. The paper from 1984 described experiments back in the day when people would say that there system is absolutely secure, no way to doo anything to it, period (people still say it, but back then, others believed them.) His Course on Viruses is also excellent - it has a very concise set-theoretic basis for viruses. He may very well be whoring for his security company (I wouldn't know), but don't doubt this man's ability to write concise, accurate, funny texts on the subject.

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  15. Address to spelling mistakes... by DenOfEarth · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alright, alright...enough people have commented on my misspelling of the plural form of virus, rightly so, as their dictionaries tell them 'virii' is not a word. Also, I did misspell the word 'applied' as 'applyed'. I used to get A's in spelling when I was younger, but maybe I'm getting rusty, sorry for that. Maybe I shouldn't smoke dope before posting stories...

    My question is whether it really matters or not. I don't think the blurb of text is incomprehensible, and since it's not a legal brief or anything like that, there is no binding meaning to the words. I've looked at the comments, and some people have also used the word 'virii', probably without thinking it was wrong. Is there anybody out there who read '20 years of virii' and didn't know what that meant? I'm really interested, as I would be willing to bet that most people who read that statement would be thinking within seconds that the story concerned a plural form of the virus being around for 20 years, or something very similar (unless they were a native latin speaker, in which case they might have been a bit fucked up).

    I'm not trying to slam on the nitpickers or anything, but really, what is communication? Is it being able to form coherent thoughts in another human being's brain, or is it following a bunch of rules that need to be updated every once in a while to keep up with our own language mutation that takes place daily?

    hehe...I've never been put on a soapbox before because I made spelling mistakes, so to those who really take offense to my spelling, I'm sorry that you weren't able to understand the words I wrote, and to those that 'got it', I hope you thought the story was interesting.

    1. Re:Address to spelling mistakes... by Malc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're always going to get people who are looking for any excuse to bring another down.

      Then you have those who are seeing a common mistake and pointing it out, either through their own superiority or in an attempt to help others mend their ways.

      And there are others who find that basic mistakes diminish the credibility of the text. If the author can't even get the obvious things right, how much of the rest is correct?

      I personally get annoyed with people who make common mistakes like using they're, there and their interchangably. Why? It slows my reading down as I pause and translate. Too many mistakes and I just move on... that person's voice unheard by me. Sure, I can understand it if I read it for long enough, but why should I make the effort when the author could've tried a bit harder. Oh, and at the risk of sounding hypocritical, I can't abide laziness either.

  16. Sentient Viruses by tymbow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was having a red wine fuelled conversation with some friends on the subject of viruses, worms and Internet security the other day. We were discussing how connectivity has changed the landscape with regards to the impact of viruses, bugs and worms. In the eighties and early nineties there was less connectivity than we have with the modern Internet. The obvious analogue to human viral pathogens and the rise of jet aircraft travel between countries shows how this will only get worse as more devices are connected to Internet and how inoculation and prevention together with secure coding practices (something which has no human virus equivalent at the moment, but who knows where DNS techniques will take us) are becoming mandatory. Should all devices connecting to the network be licensed and approved as cars travelling on roads today must be?

    The most interesting point raised was when (if?) we reach the point where viruses are classifiable as sentient beings. Do we then have the right to arbitrarily exterminate them? I could in my stupidest dreams foresee a court case where the latest Internet Explorer 99 bug is arguing for it's continued existence, social welfare and the right to bear children.

  17. The article celebrates 20 years of misspelling. by IvyMike · · Score: 4, Funny

    Also, watch my blog for the upcoming article, "20 years of people finally getting to use something from their high-school Latin class."

  18. The solution by bigberk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    blanket solution to this possible 'virus' problem

    There is one solution to the 'virus' problem that everyone in the networking and security field knows about, but which few professionals endorse due to conflicts with business and commerce.

    The solution to 'viruses' is diversity in systems. This stems from the biological viewpoint which makes us realize that while one type of system may be vulnerable to a specific flaw, a mix of different systems (each with their own properties) will offer greater resilience.

    Think of the Internet, and how much trouble has been caused by Microsoft Windows viruses. Because of the Microsoft monoculture, the Internet has come to the brink of disaster several times (worm outbreaks; flooding of DNS root servers; and most notably, spam and increasingly fragmented global communications as a result).

    1. Re:The solution by burns210 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      actually, i have always thought(not to be rude, this is honest) that to have a secure box, you do not plug it into a network. This is how windows 2000 got one of its high-end security clearences(wether it is required for any OS, or if it was just for win2k, i don't know) and it is also a running joke on how DOS has had the fewest remote exploits of any Microsoft OS (none, because it was such a pain to get it on the network...

      But honestly, this idea seems to be overlooked, when in actuallity, it is worth using... It would have saved Valve's ass if their code wasn't on a conmputer that was connected to the internet. If it was on only the LAN, and inaccessible to the internet, then their code wouldn't have been able to be leeked.

  19. First use. . .not! by DuckDuckBOOM! · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the article:
    [Cohen] introduced the term "virus" to the lexicon of computers.
    Oh, really. I recall David Gerrold describing a self-replicating computer program called VIRUS in 1972 in When Harlie Was One. And I suspect the concept wasn't original with him.
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  20. A summary of the comments by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Allow me to tell the impatient what amazingly INSIGHTFUL comments are coming up:

    * 39 people reminding you that viruses is the corrent plural, not virii (of which 9 point to dictionary.com)
    * 13 people stating that no, virii is correct
    * 9 people questioning the manhood, charachter and evolutionary level of the people who defened virii.
    * 14 posts about the "good old days"
    * 6 comments on how someone should have patented viruses
    * 14 informational posts so far
    * and only one good joke (hint, you're reading it ;-) )

    (BTW: I'm too lazy to actaully count posts, all of the above numbers are 100% statistical, that is to say, 100% fiction.)

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  21. Re:The english language is not static by ifwm · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, it's not. Example, I can't make "dogii" the plural of "dog", nor can I make "fucking halfwitted moronii" the plural of "Moderation abuser" (though god help us if there really were two of you)

  22. English: a beautifully flexible language. by fireboy1919 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We make new words out of old ones all the time;
    we verb anything;
    we create words like "tintinabulation" just because of how they sound, or add words just to have another one that means the same thing;
    we create euphemisms for euphemisms;
    there is even a word or two with roots that come from two different languages;
    we have only a few words to describe the qualities of sounds (mostly only distinguishing good sounds from bad ones), and between the qualities of smells (mostly only distinguishing good smells from bad ones);
    we can make gramatically correct sentences that are difficult to parse - in fact, it has been proven that we can make such sentences that are impossible to parse.

    All these things are, of course, ridiculous.

    Why not add one more thing to the list of ridiculii?

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