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Canadian Music Industry Wants Royalties on Net Usage

Dr. Zoidburg writes "Apparently Internet music and movie sharing in Canada has gained enough popularity to turn the heads of the music and movie industry. CTV has a report about a Canadian organization named SOCAN (Society of Composers, Authors, and Music Publishers of Canada) that will "ask the Supreme Court of Canada next week to force Internet service providers to pay them royalties for the millions of digital music files downloaded each year by Canadians". Says the president of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers, "Consumers could very well see an increase in their Internet costs and they could see a slowdown in the transmission speed of their Internet communications"."

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  1. Then never complain... by John+Courtland · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when your stuff gets downloaded. If you're gonna tax everyone, then you can't complain when they take what they paid for.

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    1. Re:Then never complain... by MochaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. That's the idea. When the copyright levy was introduced for blank CDs, we got the right to legally make copies of a friend's CD for our private use in exchange. I suspect that is an attempt to pull something similar for music downloads off the internet.

    2. Re:Then never complain... by TC+(WC) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, under the current legislation, downloading music already *seems* to be perfectly legitimate. Being on the sending end, however, is where you're definately in legal trouble.

    3. Re:Then never complain... by instanto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, do you want to pay money to your ISP so that Celine Dion can get money? (Well, she wont, but say for arguments sake that she did)

      I dont want to pay extra money to my ISP just because some wad somewhere downloads a metallica album, why should I pay money to my ISP for crappy music?

      Compulsory License sounds ok - but it still means you're paying money for a lot of shit you dont want.

      I can pay money directly to the composer when I buy their CD - no need for compulsory license or other crap - and best of all - RIAA/The Enemy/trashy musicians wont get a single $ from me .

      If you're not listening to their music - why should they get money from you?

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      Also: This sounds like a legalization of downloading music from the net. After all - you've paid for it.

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    4. Re:Then never complain... by Hobbex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, do you want to pay money to your ISP so that Celine Dion can get money? (Well, she wont, but say for arguments sake that she did)

      I wasn't arguing for or against compulsary licensing, but asked a question since I know a lot of other people have. I thought this was the whole point of compulsary licenses: everybody pays whether they use it or not, and the money is distrubuted according to some metric of who is downloaded the most.

      I can pay money directly to the composer when I buy their CD - no need for compulsory license or other crap - and best of all - RIAA/The Enemy/trashy musicians wont get a single $ from me .

      The RIAA is not the root of the problem. The laws necessary to support this model _require_ a perpetual war on free communication: if the RIAA were out of the picture then somebody else would be waging it.

    5. Re:Then never complain... by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then never complain ... when your stuff gets downloaded.

      But I have a very good complaint: My web site has my music on it. If this goes through, any Canadian downloading my music from my web site will be paying a tax to the recording industry. So, while I won't get any income from those downloads, someone else with no rights to my music will.

      It's bad enough that the recording industry can force "standard" contracts on musicians that give all rights and profits to the recording company, and claim that this is "voluntary". Yeah; it's voluntary; you always have had the choice of nobody hearing your music because you can't get it distributed without signing one of these contracts.

      But this sort of tax gives them profit from my music when I haven't signed any contract at all.

      Somehow, I'm not too happy with this idea.

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  2. Stupid . . . by Gabrill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's great. Raise internet prices for everyone for no apparent reason to the consumer. Reminds me of some of those obfuscated extra charges on my phone bill.

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  3. Something to think about.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As much as the DMCA is unpopular among Slashdotters, and rightfully so, at least it gets one thing right. It establishes that the ISP isn't responsible in any way. As the article states, if the music and movie industries get their way in Canada, they could soon be responsible for the traffic through their network. I know the DMCA gets a lot of things wrong, but protecting the ISPs is one thing it actually gets right. Think about it.

  4. So which is it to be then, eh? by graveyardjohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely payment upfront on the assumption that people will be using their connection for legally questionable activities will help to justify the 'crime'* to people before they even sign up? "If I'm paying for it, I may as well be doing it"

    * I say crime, I mean 'copyright infringement' (or whatever - Lets not start this one again!)

  5. Tax the food companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, the food companies keep illegal downloaders alive, so ultimately they are responsible!

  6. So, as an artist... by BeneathTheVeil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...who would never sign with a 'major' label (or even a really large indie one)... when is my cheque coming? ...and how much do I get?

    I make a good portion of my music freely downloabable from my site... and if they're going to tax people for downloading my music, then I should see that money, shouldn't I?

  7. Horrible idea, but... by Micah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If our Internet bill helped to fund the music industry, I would suddenly have an attitude that I can copy and download music freely without restriction.

    Currently I believe that it is important to respect the owner's copyright and that music should be payed for, if the artists ask for payment.

  8. Increase the cost of electricity! by Cooper_007 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No power - No host - No illegal sharing.

    It's common knowledge that electricity is only used by illegal filesharers, so increasing its cost to recoup diminishing profits^W^Wdamages makes a lot of sense.
    Naturally, this also includes batteries. Solar panels are allowed (for now) but there's going to be a tax on sunlight soon which should be able to close that gap.

    Remember folks: You are consumers. SO START CONSUMING ALREADY! Your unwillingness to consume our drivel^Wproduct is costing us MONEY. If this trend keeps up, we'll be forced to sue you.

    Cooper
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  9. Re:Whoooah by mirko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No.
    It's not, this is just preemptive, this is in case of : if you accept the tax, then you reckon you are a thief and you obviously have to accept further investigation in order to complement your "subscription fee"...
    In France, they had a similar problem : every blank CDR's price include royalties for the musical industries as they consider these media may only be used in order to copy copyrighted music.
    The money only goes to a handful of famous "singers".
    Now, if you only need CDR to backup stuff, then you're fucked.
    What's next, the MPAA will also ask for royalties ?
    Then I will (I just have to find a reason which will prove that people may use anything I invented without my consent).

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  10. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About time they stoped that practace, CD's are used for copying priated digital software, windows, office, games, and what not, not music, far easier to use mp3's and the net for that.

    But paying for music I'm not copying, damn, it'd make me start copying.

  11. Nice theory, but... by ewn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you are assuming that laws are logical. Let me challenge that assumption: here in Germany we pay sort of a tax on blank media and recorders. Music industry is even trying to broaden the scope of these royalties: they are currently pushing for a copy tax on printers (older link here.).

    In addition to that, there is an entity called GEMA which makes sure that radio stations pay for each song they play. Public radio and TV cost consumers a monthly fee, too.

    Recently they made a new copyright law. Copying for private use used to be legal, and strictly by the letter of the law still is, but circumventing copy protection mechanisms in order to do something the law explicitly allows you to do is now illegal. In other words: They didn't outlaw crossing the road. They made touching the ground with your feet while crossing the road a crime.

    So consumers over here are forced to pay for the same product multiple times. All attempts to set that straight have failed so far. I have a hunch that this kind of legal creativity may become an exportschlager.

  12. You guys aren't taking this one step further by GreenCrackBaby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see a lot of "this isn't so bad" comments, but you really need to take things one step further.

    So $5 per month gets added to our ISP bill (it won't be a tiny amount), and now the music industry is happy. Now it's the movie industry's turn -- let's add another $5. Oops, software association is losing their money too -- $5. Almost forgot ebook publishers -- $2.

    And if past performance on our CD-levy is anything to go by, that rate will just keep rising. Every year the "levy" we pay on blank CDs keep climbing. What's to stop them from hiking the "levy" on ISPs each year?

    This could turn into a mess quickly.

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