Slashdot Mirror


Canadian Music Industry Wants Royalties on Net Usage

Dr. Zoidburg writes "Apparently Internet music and movie sharing in Canada has gained enough popularity to turn the heads of the music and movie industry. CTV has a report about a Canadian organization named SOCAN (Society of Composers, Authors, and Music Publishers of Canada) that will "ask the Supreme Court of Canada next week to force Internet service providers to pay them royalties for the millions of digital music files downloaded each year by Canadians". Says the president of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers, "Consumers could very well see an increase in their Internet costs and they could see a slowdown in the transmission speed of their Internet communications"."

14 of 572 comments (clear)

  1. Whoooah by Space+cowboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    All of a sudden I *don't* want to be classed as an ISP any more (re: that story

    Simon.

    --
    Physicists get Hadrons!
    1. Re:Whoooah by mirko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No.
      It's not, this is just preemptive, this is in case of : if you accept the tax, then you reckon you are a thief and you obviously have to accept further investigation in order to complement your "subscription fee"...
      In France, they had a similar problem : every blank CDR's price include royalties for the musical industries as they consider these media may only be used in order to copy copyrighted music.
      The money only goes to a handful of famous "singers".
      Now, if you only need CDR to backup stuff, then you're fucked.
      What's next, the MPAA will also ask for royalties ?
      Then I will (I just have to find a reason which will prove that people may use anything I invented without my consent).

      --
      Trolling using another account since 2005.
    2. Re:Whoooah by weicco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In Finland we have been paying "Teosto-payment" (Teosto, Finnish Composers' Copyright Society) from C/VHS-cassettess and CD-Rs (and I think from DVD-Rs alos) for ages. If you can prove that you won't use these medias to store copyrighted material you can get your money back from Teosto by filling an application. I'm not really sure how this works though.

      But this leads to interesting dilemma. Am I automatically criminal when I'm supposed to pay such payments when buying CDRs? I thought person was _not_ guilty until otherwise prooved.

      --
      You don't know what you don't know.
  2. Then never complain... by John+Courtland · · Score: 5, Insightful

    when your stuff gets downloaded. If you're gonna tax everyone, then you can't complain when they take what they paid for.

    --
    Slashdot is proof that Sturgeon's Law applies to mankind.
    1. Re:Then never complain... by instanto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, do you want to pay money to your ISP so that Celine Dion can get money? (Well, she wont, but say for arguments sake that she did)

      I dont want to pay extra money to my ISP just because some wad somewhere downloads a metallica album, why should I pay money to my ISP for crappy music?

      Compulsory License sounds ok - but it still means you're paying money for a lot of shit you dont want.

      I can pay money directly to the composer when I buy their CD - no need for compulsory license or other crap - and best of all - RIAA/The Enemy/trashy musicians wont get a single $ from me .

      If you're not listening to their music - why should they get money from you?

      -

      Also: This sounds like a legalization of downloading music from the net. After all - you've paid for it.

      --
      // instant - "I for one welcome our new Decaff Coffee-Flavoured-Coffee Overlords"
  3. Re:SOCAN? by Takara · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's just an acronym. SOCAN is better than SCAMPC (Society of Composers, Authors, and Music Publishers of Canada)

    Or how about STFU (SOCAN Takes money From end Users)

  4. So which is it to be then, eh? by graveyardjohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely payment upfront on the assumption that people will be using their connection for legally questionable activities will help to justify the 'crime'* to people before they even sign up? "If I'm paying for it, I may as well be doing it"

    * I say crime, I mean 'copyright infringement' (or whatever - Lets not start this one again!)

  5. Tax the food companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, the food companies keep illegal downloaders alive, so ultimately they are responsible!

  6. So, as an artist... by BeneathTheVeil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...who would never sign with a 'major' label (or even a really large indie one)... when is my cheque coming? ...and how much do I get?

    I make a good portion of my music freely downloabable from my site... and if they're going to tax people for downloading my music, then I should see that money, shouldn't I?

  7. As a Canadian resident ... by Tripster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... I feel like freakin' moving!

    This is the first I'd heard SOCAN had gotten this far and quite frankly I'm pissed. I don't even have a P2P app installed in my computer, my MP3 collection consists solely of my own CD collection and is in that format for ease of access.

    What's next? Royalties on showerheads, shower curtains and bathtubs in case we happen to mumble out a tune while showering?

    The problem with our Supreme Court is they'll likely side with SOCAN and we'll end up paying. This is the same court who sided with our domestic DTH satellite providers and outright made it illegal to subscribe to US services in our country, yup for years we did our darndest to broadcast signals behind the iron curtain but when it comes to protecting a few broadcasting monopolies it's ok to ban foreign signals.

    Shit we don't get to vote for a new government until next spring but the media have all pretty much named the new PM who is just the guy taking over from the retiring PM, lucky for us in the rest of the country it only takes Ontario and Quebec to vote in the same idiots time after time, the new guy is very pro big business, heck in his private career he made an effort to get around Canadian tax laws by using ships registerd at foreign ports, just the guy to put in charge!

  8. Increase the cost of electricity! by Cooper_007 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    No power - No host - No illegal sharing.

    It's common knowledge that electricity is only used by illegal filesharers, so increasing its cost to recoup diminishing profits^W^Wdamages makes a lot of sense.
    Naturally, this also includes batteries. Solar panels are allowed (for now) but there's going to be a tax on sunlight soon which should be able to close that gap.

    Remember folks: You are consumers. SO START CONSUMING ALREADY! Your unwillingness to consume our drivel^Wproduct is costing us MONEY. If this trend keeps up, we'll be forced to sue you.

    Cooper
    --
    I don't need a pass to pass this pass!
    - Groo The Wanderer -

  9. Re:SOCAN? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    SCAM PC? Sounds reasonably accurate to me...

  10. Cabs, churchgoers and kids will pay license fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Yes, of course these people think everyone's a criminal.

    The taxi companies must pay Teosto license fee if their drivers wish to keep the radio on when they've got a customer in the car. It doesn't matter if the broadcaster already paid for the songs...

    They also tried to extort money from kindergartens, schools and churches for the copyrighted children songs/hymns that were being sung by the kids and churchgoers. That didn't go through - yet. I bet they'll try again soon.

  11. Nice theory, but... by ewn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    you are assuming that laws are logical. Let me challenge that assumption: here in Germany we pay sort of a tax on blank media and recorders. Music industry is even trying to broaden the scope of these royalties: they are currently pushing for a copy tax on printers (older link here.).

    In addition to that, there is an entity called GEMA which makes sure that radio stations pay for each song they play. Public radio and TV cost consumers a monthly fee, too.

    Recently they made a new copyright law. Copying for private use used to be legal, and strictly by the letter of the law still is, but circumventing copy protection mechanisms in order to do something the law explicitly allows you to do is now illegal. In other words: They didn't outlaw crossing the road. They made touching the ground with your feet while crossing the road a crime.

    So consumers over here are forced to pay for the same product multiple times. All attempts to set that straight have failed so far. I have a hunch that this kind of legal creativity may become an exportschlager.