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Interviewing with the NSA

George Maschke writes "'Interviewing With an Intelligence Agency (or, A Funny thing Happened on the Way to Fort Meade)' is a humorous and entertaining account of one man's recent experience seeking employment with the National Security Agency (NSA). But this story, newly posted to the Federation of American Scientists website, is also one with a serious message. Written under the pseudonym 'Ralph J. Perro,' it includes discussion of the job interview, psychological testing, polygraph, and background investigation. It will be of interest to anyone contemplating employment with a federal intelligence agency."

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  1. Just wondering ... by rastakid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just wondering, but is it legal to post this sort of information? I would believe that this is classified to some sort of level, since the NSA doesn't want wannabee-feds to prepare for the (psychological-) tests. Makes sense he/she uses an pseudonym indeed, but is it really that way?

    1. Re:Just wondering ... by KrispyKringle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's silly. They can hardly classify an application process--then you would have to apply to be trusted enough to be shown the confidential application process.

  2. Re:This is a repost that needs to be said.... by mntgomery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lie detectors are not effective. This is just being used to scare people into thinking they can't lie.

    Seems to me, if they scare people into thinking that, then they are effective. Not functional, but effective. ;)

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  3. Re:Meanwhile by haystor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are relatively few things that disqualify you compared to what they ask you. The purpose of most of the questions and polygraph is that they get full disclosure of what you have done. They need to know all the skeletons in your closet, so they can't be used as blackmail against you.

    Espionage often starts very simple. One instance I was told about was about a civilian consultant who asked a military person to buy them cigarettes at the Post Exchange (to avoid taxes). They worked together and the soldier didn't see anything wrong with helping the guy out. More purchases were made with the soldier accepting cash kickbacks on the savings.

    This was used as leverage to get him to give them some information. The soldier thought the info was harmless and that this would get him out of it but really he was just more involved. From there it can just get worse and worse and he has more to hide.

    The NSA doesn't really care that you tried pot 6 years ago as long as you're not trying to hide that fact. Someone that wants that fact hidden is a prime candidate for getting started down that slippery slope. It would probably start with something harmless, "Tell me what time so-and-so gets to work or I'll tell your entire church you smoked dope." If you're a neurotic person that needs to hide your past actions and pretend you were always the law-abiding, church goer that you are now then that may be perceived as a real threat that you'd go for.

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  4. Re:This is a repost that needs to be said.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There is a tendency to view people in positions of power as something other than what they are. They are quite simply just people. In the case of the NSA, they are mostly techies just like you.

    The problem with the NSA, like all government agencies, is bureaucracy not maleficence. They kept having you come back for polygraphs because some rubberstamper would give you a stamp of approval until your polygraph test was perfect. Even though everyone knows that a polygraph test is unreliable. What you should have done is taken some yoga classes and then you would have passed. But instead you continued to view the NSA officer as some Wizard of Oz type character so you could never pass the test.

    Do not taunt happy-fun-ball.

  5. /. and PDF files?? by mhesseltine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the deal with people on slashdot not wanting to read PDF files? Why do we need warnings that a link is to a PDF?

    It's certainly not about standards compliance (Slashdot generating incompliant HTML 3.2 code anyone?) And, it's not about supporting patent encumbered file formats (GIF instead of PNG, multiple articles on MP3 players)

    So tell me, honestly. Why do people have such a hard time with PDFs?

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    1. Re:/. and PDF files?? by ipxodi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because the average Slashdotter will happily boycott Adobe PDF files while listening to the latest CD and planning to go see LOTR or Matrix 3 this weekend.

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    2. Re:/. and PDF files?? by droleary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So tell me, honestly. Why do people have such a hard time with PDFs?

      For me, it's not just PDF but anything that isn't HTML. I don't want my flow of browsing interrupted without any immediate visual indication. I don't care if it's some format there's a browser plug-in for, either. When I click a regular link, my expectation is to go to a regular page, not download a movie or Word document or whatever. It's the principle of least surprise being violated that pisses people off.

  6. Re:I tried by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Makes sense. If they can't calibrate the polygraph in your case, they can't tell whether you're just being very truthful, if you're so psychopathic that you don't care when you're lying (hence no physiological reaction), or if you've developed sufficient control over normally involuntary physical responses (eg through biofeedback training) that you're conciously suppressing a response to a lie.

    Either way, it tells them that they can't tell when you're lying. Which, conversely, means they can't tell when you're telling the truth either. Which means they can't trust you enough to hire you -- no matter how trustworthy you really may be.

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