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Kazaa-lite Shut Down
atari2600 writes "Finally it has happened. Zeropaid is reporting that the Kazaalite K++ project has been shutdown by Sharman Networks. The project, which had been set up to block spy and ad ware within the Kazaa Media Desktop Program has achieved notoriety within the P2p world through its simplistic approach and success in reverse engineering the Kazaa application."
P2P is forbidden in our campus anyway, not much has changed for me...
I think Sharman will be in for a surprise once the find out that 75% of its 'users' were on the bootleged client. It's pretty obvious, those users aren't coming back either. The RIAA has already turned that network to shit with their corrupted songs. I guess we call all move on up to BitTorrent :D
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And someone will strip-out the spyware.
And, pray tell, how can something out of the reach of the RIAA's long legal arm can have things done????
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I think the problem will stem when Sharman networks changes the protocol slightly for "security" or "usability enhancement" to shut out the K++ client, much like the IM providers do to keep all the decent 3rd party clients guessing.
No doubt it will be reverse engineered again, but it will be harder to distribute and publicise that fix without a central website. It will still get out though - word of mouth will spread it.
I think I'll stick to the iTMS (well, when it's finally available for the UK).
See, I live in a dorm, and we're unable to connect to Kazaa here, the network flat out won't let us, with no (legal) way around it. For some reason though, K-Lite still connects. Can someone reccomend a good program to me for all file types? I predominantly download movies, the occasional game to demo it, and sometimes music. And please don't reccomend iMesh. I don't know if I could have intentionally installed that much spyware on my computer. I strongly doubt they have anything of the GNU variety blocked, but there are so many GNU P2P programs I don;t know which one to get. Noobish question I'm sure, but any advice is appreciated.
Mod Points: Helping you keep your opinion to yourself.
I guess we can all move on up to BitTorrent :D
BitTorrent is too centralized for this kind of things (large scale, anyway).
Instead, check out eMule and Soulseek.
Treehugger? Treehugger... Treehugger!
At the bottom of one of the articles about K++'s shutdown, is a link for Diet K (http://www.dietk.com/).
Since the site doesn't really say too much about it, has anyone ever used it?
I just took a look at the Kazaa Lite homepage and found a new app on the list I haven't seen since my last check a few weeks ago.... It seems "Soul Seek" (that name bothers me) is the replacement they are now offering... One catch, IT'S A CENTRAL SERVER! So why hasn't the RIAA ran after this?
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Maybe the RIAA has paid off the makers of K++ and made this new "app" as a honeypot for people to use instead so to collect data on users who request songs that are copyrighted... What kept K++ anonymous was its decentralized system, why would the RIAA not go after something that is directly hosting copyrighted files? Unless some news about the RIAA going after Soul Seek comes up, I am gonna steer clear of it...
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Business \Busi"ness\, n.;
A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
Kazaa lite was getting bloated anyways. It serves it's purpose with the no advertisments. Instead, they decide to add all of these great features such as "download enhancers." There really isn't anything else they could add. The current version is fine.
Cynicism is an unpleasant way of saying the truth. Lillian Hellman (1905 - 1984), The Little Foxes, 1939
My main usage for P2P is still to sample songs from an artist. It used to be radio was the way to do so. With the radio playlists being controlled so heavily by a few companies. And those companies (Clear Channel, etc) in bed with the recording industry how do we as consumers get to listen to new artists that we might enjoy rather than what the industry wants me to buy? I stopped listening to the radio years ago because my musical tastes did not revolve around gangster rap or boy bands or female teenage pop sensations. So when I get a recommendation from my friends, I find the song. If I like it, I buy the album. If not, I delete the song. Others may not be as moral, but like most things in life, it's how you use something, not the item itself that really determines its value.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
The problem with your argument is that most people don't want to download all the songs on an album- they only want a few. To download 2 or 3 good songs off of an album at high quality (192kbps+) still takes less time than it would to get in your car and drive to the store. And it is also infinitely cheaper.
Funny you should say that because there was a USA Today article in today's newspaper that discussed the implications of a single song music market, ie- the end of the album. There are still some artists who produce albums as an artistic whole, not just a bunch of singles, but as a complete artistic statement. The fear is that if the per song market becomes dominent, that the art of albums will consequently suffer.
Definitely some interesting thoughts to consider. I've been on both sides of the fence. I've bought albums that I thought, "Wow, the rest of this sucks." and I've also bought albums and thought, "Wow, I'm so glad I have all of this, it rocks!".
Who said Freedom was Fair?
I would love it if Sharman blocked downloads of its signature :D
You know, how the whole P2P industry claims that they don't have control over their content, and that it's really a medium intended for legal distribution. Heh.
the new shareaza beta is amazing, hasn't crashed, but it includes the gnutella, gnutella2 (mike's...),edonkey, and bittorrent download here PS: No Spyware
What ab bunch of crap this guy, who is obviously a consumer and not some plant is modded flamebate for an opinion that clearly come from his use of misc p2p apps, but the guy who flames hiom is modded insightful? Shouldn't they be modded flamer?
People DO use P2P to get entire albums. Or they would if it wasn't so lame.
The ***number one*** way to find new music I like (with a computer or not) is to listen to other songs off the same album as the one I got a single from. If this wasn't the case, The RIAA probably would have stopped putting out entire albums by the same artist a long time ago. Albums are often conceptual, which also create a sum>parts situation when listening. Do most people downloading Pink Floyd's Ummagumma only want the radio hits? And if I only find out that Lucinda Williams has a new album from playing online, why would I go elsewhere to get it? IF P2P could provide gull albums, it should. Just like if the RIAA could not be lame, it should. And the griping here doesn't help.
I just spent several searches getting two recent pop albums, both had mulitiple great singles. One however, was awful just filler, the other was excellent. How do I know this, because I searched over a p2p network many times at many rates, searched allmusic for the track names and tediously found them. I make decent money so I hate the time and am tempted to buy CD's, but this was still better than spending $36 for ONE good album and a coaster.
Besides, the only thing I do with a CD is ripp it and stuff it in a box. Those boxes take up a lot more space than a external drive.
So, to sum it all up, RIAA sucks, P2P Album searching sucks, Fascist moderators trying to remove discussion by experienced users by modding things "Oldspeak" sucks, and I suck (I actually liked Timberlake's CD!!!) BTW, I am doing something about this exact problem (the album issue, not my taste).
I would just like to add, the only reason I steal music, games, movies is because I don't want to pay for them. There's no way of justifying it, it's theft, and I do it everyday day after day, because it's cheap and easy.
--- "Beginnings are rarely noticed."
It seems to me that (for this, as well as for similar projects) it would be convenient to build a "shadow source" development network - something that would resemble the mutant hybrid child of Freenet and Sourceforge. If the system includes anonymous relaying/distributed storage, combined with some means of trust verification (to keep saboteurs out of codebases), it would become essentially impossible for anyone to squelch a development effort (such as "Kazaa Lite" or "Freecraft".)
What are these gift front ends of which you speak? I've been looking for a linux-kazaa client for quite some time. (thanks)
Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley
So when I get a recommendation from my friends, I find the song. If I like it, I buy the album. If not, I delete the song. Others may not be as moral, but like most things in life, it's how you use something, not the item itself that really determines its value.
Right... And what if the artist doesn't want you to sample the song on Kazaa? You're amazing. You're more moral than I am because you only do it a little? Nonsense. Either copying without permission of the copyright holder is moral, or it's immoral. Personally I say it's moral. Actually, personally I say it's immoral to pay those bastards at the RIAA money when you could be donating it to charity or using it to make this world better. But hey, that's just me.
Lately I've been just running the Linux CLI version of EDonkey2000. It's actually kind of fun using a terminal instead of a gui.it's at http://www.edonkey2000.com/downloads.php if you're interested.
http://mutella.sourceforge.net/ is another terminal client. It is more aesthetially pleasing than the Edonkey, but there seem to be less people there. I've generally had more success w/ Edonkey, but "your mileage may vary".
As was mentioned elsewhere in this page, gift (http://gift.sourceforge.net/) is another one, and it comes in CLI version as well as the gui. I haven't tried this one yet, but it looks like it uses its own network OpenFT, which could mean less people/files. Not sure if it also connect to other networks as well.
"If bands didn't get any substantial income from CD sales, why would they work so hard to get signed? "
Because when you get signed, you are a rock star, not just a garage band.
The phrase "Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll" does not contain the word "money" or "rich".
Musicians - want to get your dues (like pro athletes)? Create a union and go on strike. Start reaping the benefits that your industry creates!
Yesterday as I drove to work I listened to a song on the radio broadcast city wide for anyone to listen to free of charge. When I came home I listened to the same song on my PC in MP3 format that I downloaded free of charge. What's the difference? I didn't pay for either one. And, chances are, I'm not going to invest in many of the radio station's advertised products. And also, since it's free on the radio, and really isn't that great, I don't feel like paying for it. So again, what's the difference?
---- "Excuse me. Where's the children's gun section?"
DC is a neat idea but I gave up on it because of this: Lose your connection to a hub, and all our downloads are screwed :(
Duct tape, XML, democracy: Not doing the job? Use more.
If you've got a Mac, Carracho is excellent.
Once you've got enough files, you can set up your own server & create rules about who uses & what you want.
[Whole albums only, see what I've got first, etc.]
Check every other day to see what the beautiful people on the Intarweb have given you.
I think Hotline can work in the same way...
Of course, it's even easier if you have a roommate to do all this for you. I highly recommend it!
Can't Kazaa now just change the protocol for the initial handshaking, thereby breaking the old versions of kazaa lite?
I've used DietK before I used Kazaa Lite, and it is very awesome. It achieves the same effect as Kazaa Lite, but instead goes on top of regular Kazaa. Give it a spin!
I do however, still recommend GiFT and Apollon for P2P, it's simply the best.
God, I love internet radio. I have a full 30GB ipod but don't want to listen to anything on it. 95% if my music, I own, I download to sample the native flavors.
I consume music, like water, not wanting to re-rink the same glass twice. On that rare occasion finding a rare gem one cannot live without, I am more than happy to purchase the disk. ( http://www.eslmusic.com will do no wrong to your collection.)
My absolute favorite is any station at HBR1.com or jazzmusique (part of the netmusique network) I streamrip overnight, d/l to my ipod for the next day at work, and purchase what I am intrigued by.
Sampling music of unknown flavors is getting more and more difficult to do. iSwipe for OSX is interesting, but as all P2P, the quality of track is hit or miss, especially if you have far-out tastes.
People who P2P are not cheap. We are searching for the ultimate buzz and are more than happy to pay for magic.
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Hey, leave comments about my mother out of this!
Is there a decent working GiFT frontend for Windows? The only ones listed on SourceForge seem to be dead or still in alpha...
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds. - Captain Hammer
Way to go Sharman! You have now hurt your branding appeal.
Check out Apollon (apollon.sf.net) for a nice linux front end for gift. I like it much better than the kazaalite client and it can use the gift plugins to connect to the kazaa network as well as others.
What's to stop somebody reverse engineering the handshake? Or the K-lite author releasing his code so others can continue his/her/its legacy?
Hey relax fella, you need a rest, guy.