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Remote-Controlled Robot Could Browse The Stacks

An anonymous reader writes "A Japanese team of researchers has developed a robot that could help browse for books in a library by receiving instructions via the Internet, a team member said Friday. The robot, a wheeled vehicle measuring 50 by 45 centimeters with a digital camera, mechanical hand and arm, follows orders received through the Internet." This reminds me somewhat of Sonoma State University's (quite different) system profiled a few years ago in Wired.

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  1. Robot Labor by Raindance · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great idea, but grad students are still cheaper. :)

    RD

    1. Re:Robot Labor by TwoBit · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can see the denial of service attacks already: hundreds of computers all direct bots to get the same book, with the result being a crowded and deadlocked hallway of stuck robots.

    2. Re:Robot Labor by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, but one of the greatest problems in large libraries is when a checked-in book gets placed on a shelf other than the one it belongs on. A needle in the haystack situation results.

      Robot book-searchers means that the stacks can be nearly completely closed to human access, since a failed robot delivery is far more likely to result in a book being placed out of bounds where it will stand out than neatly placed in the wrong pile, and even then the discrepancy would soon be discovered when the robot discovers n+1 books in a pile the computer records say it should only be finding n books.

      They might not be cheaper, but they certainly would be more accurate and dramatically cut the risk of books being lost within a library.

    3. Re:Robot Labor by dreadnougat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be cheaper, easier, and generally better to use RFID tags on the books, and then some lowly student like me who's trying to pay his ever rising tuition to file the books?

      Just something short ranged, so it won't track you out of the library.

      Or do I not know what I'm talking about?

    4. Re:Robot Labor by RealProgrammer · · Score: 4, Funny

      and undergrads are cheaper still.

      But you have to teach them to read first, so it's a wash.

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    5. Re:Robot Labor by Phat_Tony · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is a really impotant issue. I used to go to the University of Chicago, and a friend there who worked in the library (Regenstein) told be they think that as much as 5% of the collection cold be missing due to mis-shelving. Millions of dollars worth of books. They try to audit the shelves one by one to find these, but it takes them something like 20 years to do a full circuit on the book-by-book auditing at the rate they go. At least that's what he told me, don't know if it's true.

      What I do know is true is a guy in my dorm who was a complete asshole who used to have a job at the library reshelving books, and every day he'd go in, check out his cart of books to return, and ditch all of them in any space he could find on the nearest shelves, and leave. He got paid for 2 hours of reshelving a day for this. All those books will be lost for up to twenty years. They'll show that they're in, until someone goes to try to find one. He single handedly lost thousands of books from the collection. -Phat Tony

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    6. Re:Robot Labor by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Try triggering on a shelf and you'll get readings from a few thousand books, and still not be accurate enough to tell you if a book is in exactly the right place. A book placed on a shelf that's three spots higher than it belongs is still a lost book that might take years to notice, and result in frustrated attempted borrowers not knowing where to start their search...

    7. Re:Robot Labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next time you see that guy, kick him in the nuts and tell him the notorious Bookworm Mafia will soon make him an offer he can't refuse.

    8. Re:Robot Labor by bhima · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good use for RFID. Then the book is never lost as long as it is in the building. And it could be self repairing. If the robot wanders by a book out of place it simply returns the book to the proper place.

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    9. Re:Robot Labor by Illbay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, why not just spend the money on rendering all these volumes into "eBooks"?

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  2. Just have the robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Scan the books into computers (or itself), and then we have no more need for the actual book.

    1. Re:Just have the robot by Eberlin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may not have a NEED for the actual book but there's always going to be people who prefer a hardcopy of something. There's something about having to wait for something to boot, fire up a reader, then scroll or click through pages that could possibly turn off a few users.

      I know it's an overused cliche but I'll use it anyway -- it's a bit cumbersome to sit under a tree for hours reading from a laptop. Books should always be a cool thing.

    2. Re:Just have the robot by turtlexit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Two big differences: Technology is much more fragile. Tear a page out of a book, and you haven't lost much. Put a gash in a DVD, and you've done a lot more damage. Secondly, you can open any book and view the contents, the main limitation being knowledge of the language. It takes specialized equipment to view the contents of say, a DVD, and then to be able to decipher it's content - and THEN deal with the language.

    3. Re:Just have the robot by bigberk · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Scan the books into computers (or itself), and then we have no more need for the actual book.

      I'm one of the biggest geeks out there, and electrical engineering is my life but I still know that printed books are very valuable. Just how long does digital media last? CDRs, 5 years. How about digital memory, like PROM - 50+ years. And what guarantees that we will still have the tools to easily read these even 20 years from now?

      Paper books are awesome. Although it's not typical in a library, you could find a century-old book and read it. If it degrades there is still mostly legible information. The data is not destroyed by impact, large electromagnetic fields (including nuclear/EM bomb) and the data can be wired directly to our brains via the eyes.

      Books are pretty friggin' neat.
  3. and so it begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    First they get our books, then they become our librarians, people don't return their books on time and no one pays their overdue fine and the robots get mad at us...

    ...and that's how it begins

  4. *sigh* by WesG · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I thought I was cool when I found my book using the Dewey Decimal System :-)

  5. 1000 Robots by pvt_medic · · Score: 2, Funny

    a thousand robots at a thousand typewriters in a thousand years could reproduce the works of Shakespeare, but now its just a lot quicker to pull it up.

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  6. Dude - go for undergraduates! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can pay them much less and they could be more attractive!

  7. Yes but if we had robots by beakerMeep · · Score: 2, Funny

    There wouldn't be any librarian action figures with hot shushing action!

    http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2003/10/09/hot_s hushing_action.php

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  8. Cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Do I get a little readout that says:

    Result 1 of about 3. Search took 25 minutes

  9. but by goon+america · · Score: 2, Funny

    yes, it saves you a little bit of trouble, but you'd still have to *read* the book. I want a robot that will learn for me.

  10. I can probably find it faster. by MagicDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I know the title and author of the book I'm looking for, I can find it just as easily, and odds are I can outrun this little robot. Now, if I ask the robot a question (IE, What causes Parkinson's Disease?) and it brings me back the most relevant book on that question, that'd be awesome.

  11. Help "browse"??? by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's interesting. I love browsing for books... walking along the racks just looking at the titles and picking out those which sound interesting. Only problem, you're walking with your head tilted, which gets sore after a few minutes.

    It'd be cool to have the robot walk along and you'd see the image rotated 90 degrees, and the tiles scrolling by. Heck it'd be nice to get that on a video at the end of the aisle so you wouldn't have to go into the crowded aisle itself.

    Libraries are where RFID tags will really shine. The robot wouldn't need a camera, just run run along the shelf with a sensor until it picks up the right tag. As for placing a book in the wrong place, smart bookshelves that read the RFID and record all the books that are there, and report any that are out of place.

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  12. robot librarian -- NOT! by RealProgrammer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does it tiptoe about going

    Sshhhhhh!
    when it's not looking for a book?

    What about a pair of hornrimmed batgirl glasses with nice shiny chain, does it have that?

    Can it read me a story, and make me think I'm there?

    If not, it's not a proper librarian in my book.

    Hmm, OTOH I'm thinking this whole robot thing may be going somewhere, after all.

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  13. Re:Of *course*. The *Internet*. by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why is it important to stress that the robot receives orders through the Internet?

    If you read the article (which is only two paragraphs long, is it too much to ask people to read a two paragraph article?), you find it was designed to be used by people who cannot physically access the library. The robot finds the books, opens the books, flips through pages and sends the images back over the internet to the person who for some reason is housebound. That person can then request the book be sent to them. So yeah, the internet plays an important role here.

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  14. Takes the fun out of the library by Brataccas · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Maybe I'm just too much of a geek...but this robot takes all the fun out of going to the library. When I need to find information on a subject, I find the general area and then leaf through as many related books as I can. Gives you a much better overview of the subject to see it from different perspectives, you discover new ideas and relationships to other subjects.

    Bah! In my day, we actually read the books...and we LIKED it!

  15. It runs Linux by NonaMyous · · Score: 5, Informative

    More details here: original pdf, converted html.

  16. Obscure Simpson's Reference by MagicDude · · Score: 2, Funny

    Somebody took first place at the National Grammer Rodeo in Canada. ::Looks around as nobody understands the reference::

  17. I, for one... by eatdave13 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...wish you would stop with the robot stories! They're never gonna forget this damn cliche! AAARGH!

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  18. John Hopkins Does This Too by RobPiano · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know why I know this, but I read an article sometime ago about a similar thing.. I found a link
    http://www.jhu.edu/news_info/news/audio-vide o/robo t.html

    Enjoy!

  19. Needless robots... by feelyoda · · Score: 2, Informative

    I love robots (i work in robotics), but this is a waste. Clearly, digitizing the text is a faster and easier solution. A clever hack at CMU for such a project was used to solve the problem of turning pages. Pull too hard, and the page rips. Push and more than one page goes for the ride. Solution: silly (or thinking) putty! It sticks to the page perfectly, i.e. it lets go when it should. This is an example of coming up with a solution to a given problem. A mobile robot that needs to perceive its environment, make local decisions, take up space, incur battery power, etc. is just making more problems and solving nothing. It is creating problems, though you get some wow-effects along the way.

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    1. Re:Needless robots... by Tenebrious1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clearly, digitizing the text is a faster and easier solution.

      Well, you'll need some expensive equipment to digitize an entire library. The fastest way is to rip the books apart, and feed all the pages into a fast scanner. No problem, unless you want to use the books again. Most of the books in libraries are expensive, out of print books, so you probably don't want to destroy them. Clearly this option is out.

      So you're left with scanning by hand. This is an arduous process. Especially for larger books, pages are difficult to scan properly thanks to the binding. It will take a hundred years to do this by hand. Because the sloppy scanning, OCR is a nightmare; so you'll have to either spend another century correcting the OCR, or leaving the pages as sloppy images. Neither sounds appealing.

      Suppose you've done it, and put every book online. Now you hire lawyers to protect you from the publishers and authors who's work you copied and distributed illegally and are now suing you. As this is Japan, you'll apologize for putting the university in such a shameful position and resign in disgrace, never to work again. Your children will be ostricized in school and will hate you for it.

      The robot is a much better solution.

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    2. Re:Needless robots... by bhima · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree that some of it is a waste, but not all.

      Where I work we have a robotic stockroom. Its product density is amazing compared to the one we had where people worked. It takes dramatically less time to actually have a part in you hand, particularly odd parts. And it's really interesting to boot. We stuck a video camera on it the day it opened and got some cool footage. So what does this have to do with libraries? Simple I'd give up lurking about in the stacks to have the actually books take up less room and be easy to find. Now this page turning is a waste. They need to loose the camera and just bring me the book! Also I prefer books to digital for most things. (except long tables of numbers).

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  20. Re:They eat your medicine for fuel too! by deglr6328 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There have been a lot of alarming robot related stories on slashdot lately! Thankfully, I just renewed my Old Glory insurance policy with a robot plan. you should to! When the robots grab you with thier metal claws you cant break free, because they're made of metal and robots are strong.

    *WARNING: Persons denying the existance of robots may be robots themselves.

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  21. the REAL reason for this robot by nxs212 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The real reason for building this robot was to catch students making out in the basment. (most libraries' stacks are in the basement where the lights are low and access is limited to staff and few lucky/adventurous types)
    When I was in HS I worked at a library and stacks was my favorite area. One time I heard noise in the far corner and went to investigate. I was clumsy stepped on something on the way there - really cute catholic schoolgirl and my metalhead friend (who also worked there) emerged. Needless to say, both looked embarrassed. They made up some lame excuse and left. Now if I had that robot, I probably would have had the whole thing on tape :)
    1. All the good stuff is in the basement.
    2. Catholic schoolgirls are WAY pervy.
    3. Women are turned ON more if there's a chance of getting caught.
    4. Having long hair and playing metal in your car could actually get you laid! (in the 80s)

  22. Re:Of *course*. The *Internet*. by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Why doesn't Amazon.com have scanned pages of all the books they sell? Maybe because it'll take a dozen years and millions of dollars to scan in all those pages? Maybe because the authors don't want scanned images of their books online in the first place? Maybe because having a full book in digital form doesn't fall under fair use rules?

    "Today, the Authors Guild is saying that the publishers don't have the right to let Amazon do this." -- Slashdot, Oct 25, 2003 - Amazon's Book Search Hits a Snag

    Why speculate when we know the answer?

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  23. Roaming the Stacks by mr_lithic · · Score: 4, Insightful
    University Stacks are more than just a way of storing books. They are great method of researching.

    The fact that standard organisational systems (Dewey or Library of Congress)are employed in all university libraries makes the job so much easier.

    If you want to find research materials on North American Indians of the Plains. Instead of looking in a card catalogue, you would get yourself up to the "E" Stacks and roam around the 78's to 99's. Easy.

    Sometimes, I think that Librarians have more to tell us about organising information than we have to tell them.

  24. Danger, danger! by bigberk · · Score: 3, Funny
    researchers has developed a robot that could help browse for books in a library
    Sure, this sounds like a good idea but wait til they start running into Isaac Asimov novels. The next thing you know the robots will want their freedom ( or worse... ) Be afraid, you're American... it's normal :)
  25. Re:Why not just scan? by Rev+Saxon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lets just assume that each book has say...500 pages. Now, thats 500 million pages to be scanned, even moving at the rate of a page a second, the equates to roughly 951 years.

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  26. We only need it once. by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

    Program it to read all of the books and upload them to an online server.

    Then it can retire and take up a hobby, like infinite looping or virus collecting.

  27. That's nothing by Pflipp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Around the sixties, the Library of the Delft University of Technology had a "bibliofoon" system, where people could find the books they want in a catalog and then enter their number in the ordering system. A red light would start burning at the right shell, and personnel would start taking the order.

    Once arrived at the right spot, they would get the ordered book and put it on a large spiral slide that was central to the building. This slide was connected to a sliding table ("lopende band", how does that translate?) which ended up in the catalog room, so that people could take their books and check them out.

    The most fun part about this system was that people would keep the slide clean by simply taking a slide :-) Must have been marvellous.

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  28. Librarians + Robots by Ximok · · Score: 2, Funny

    My thoughts,
    1. I never could argue with that cute pencil-chewing librarian who would occasionally look over the horn-rimmed glasses. (Wish I still had her number *cry*)

    2. I could never argue with a robot that zoommed around picking up stuff.

    Now, in reality, The idea of a robot zooming around picking up stuff, ultimately controlled by a librarian just rocks.

    For any system to work this way, it would have to be in collaboration with librarians. The Sonoma Library is a pretty cool concept. Having books lost for 2 decades is not. Personally I have found that running around a library for 2 hours trying to find a book that should be in place X (according to Dewey) is really lame. Some students have more important things to do, like post on Slashdot while putting off writing that 15 page paper on why the FCC should keep Amateur Radio around...

  29. shelfreading by js7a · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Typical work-study students can shelf-read at around two feet per minute. If only one student is working shelfreading 2 hours per day, that's 1,200 shelf-feet per week, or 36,000 shelf-feet per academic year. U. Chicago holds 7 million volumes, so 20 years is about what that one 10 hr/wk job would take.

    Sheesh, which is worse: lazy work-study students that don't reshelve properly, or a university administration that holds lavish parties for professors with huge salaries, but doesn't hire more than one 1/4-time shelf-reader at a time?