CRIA Prepares To Sue P2P Copyright Violators

ergo98 writes "The Canadian version of the RIAA, the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association), has begun laying the PR groundwork for an initiative similar to that pursued by the RIAA in the US - threatening to file lawsuits against individual file sharers (specifically uploaders). They claim that CD sales have dropped by 23 per cent since 1999, attributing that drop to P2P, and apparently it isn't enough that the Canadian music industry gets a hefty presume-you-are-a-criminal levy attached on various devices and media." Many readers also point to the Globe and Mail's version of the story. dsanfte writes "They will apparently only be targetting uploaders, because in the Copyright Board's judgement, P2P downloading is legal under Canadian law."

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Quick Primer

[SirSlud]

In Canada, it is legal to borrow content (a CD, movie, etc) from a friend (or stranger), and copy it for your own personal use.

It is not legal to MAKE copies of content you own, and distribute it to friends (or strangers).

This is why downloading is legal (you're 'borrowing' a copy, and copying it), but uploading is illegal (you're copying what you presumably own, and distributing it.)

We pay additional taxes on media to support this system. I think its just gone up again, with MP3 players now being taxed as they represent blank media on which you might copy somebody else's content.

This is my udnerstanding of our system. Corrections are invited.

Re:Quick Primer

[debrain]

We pay additional taxes on media to support this system. I think its just gone up again, with MP3 players now being taxed as they represent blank media on which you might copy somebody else's content.

The levy price did not go up; the actual prices stayed the same. You can read about it here

MP3 player's are now being taxed, which is new. The gist of the protection is that you may fundamentally circumvent copyright if you give away the original, and you are permitted to keep copies, from my understanding. So you may make a copy of a CD, keep the copy, and give away the original CD, and not have violated the rights of the copyright holder.

The essence of this, distinguished from "real" copyright violations, is that you can only give away the original once, and so you cannot mass produce the effect of that lost copyright. Or so my understanding goes ...

Re:Quick Primer

[atommoore]

I believe you interpreted the ruling perfectly.

"On March 19, 1998, Part VIII of the (Canadian) Copyright Act dealing with private copying came into force. Until that time, copying any sound recording for almost any purpose infringed copyright, although, in practice, the prohibition was largely unenforceable. The amendment to the Act legalized copying of sound recordings of musical works onto audio recording media for the private use of the person who makes the copy (referred to as "private copying"). In addition, the amendment made provision for the imposition of a levy on blank audio recording media to compensate authors, performers and makers who own copyright in eligible sound recordings being copied for private use."

-- Copyright Board of Canada: Fact Sheet: Private Copying 1999-2000 Decision

Seems like sealand will be the one place to upload anything sooner or later.

So what about DVD sales and movie prices?

[xtal]

Music pricing is another constant. In fact, in the USA, it's gone down a bit. The average price of a CD is down to $13.50 in the US. In 1984, $9.99 was considered a decent price for an LP. That would be $17.30 in 2002 dollars. So, again, the recent huge drop in CD sales can't be attributed to pricing alone, as it's a constant.

In 1984, Movies cost around $100cdn to buy, IIRC. I see lots of DVD movies in Walmart for $14.99-24.99, including new and popular films. A large majority are priced cheaper than the movie soundtracks, something that always makes me chuckle.

I can put a collection of a years worth of "popular" and "pseudo-popular" programs on a couple DVDs. If uploading is quashed, then a much harder to regular and control sneekernet will quickly be established in schools. It's not that hard to do.

One thing I have been waiting for is a small device for doing PTP sharing in public. It would be unstoppable in a setting like a school - integrating 802.11 into an iPod is not technologically a difficult problem. I can imagine it giving people strokes in the record industry though - not just schools, but think subways, whatever.

Once the public has decided there is nothing wrong with 'free' music - then guess what, there probably will be free music. There effectively is now - think to the radio. There is no reason musicians cannot make money touring. There is good entertainment value in records. What will change, is the luxury offices for RIAA executives and private jets for the metallicas of the world will end.

This fight has never been about music copying. They're scared shitless of losing the distribution and production channels.

Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers

[Goldberg's Pants]

I have no idea exactly what changed with the new ruling, but I know the Canadian ruling was like this.

You have an album, a friend wants it, you copy it for him. That's illegal.

You have an album, a friend wants it, you loan it to them, they copy it. That's legal.

In short, loan someone a CD, they can legally copy it here.

The drop in sales is more likely down to the amount of people boycotting the thieving shits in the industry (Not bought an album since early 2000 myself), and the general decline in quality of releases. I mean when we have shit like American Idol, Canadian Idol etc... Is it any wonder nobody buys the CD's anymore... It's for one very simply reason.

It's all mass produced, carbon copy shit.

Well I can tell you one change I notice

[Sycraft-fu]

Is the way music is mixed and mastered. Today everything, is limited and compressed to hell. They squash all the dynamic range out of the music to make it sound louder. This pissess me off. I have a really nice setup that can reproduce impressive dynamics, I want to get use of it. But if the music is popular (this isn't done with Jazz and Calssical often thankfully) it is just limited like nothing else. It can be crap like Britney Spears or good stuff like Evanescence or Lacuna Coil, doesn't matter, it's all limitied to hell.

This just wasn't done in the 70s, probably because I don't think the look-ahead peak limiter had been invented yet. Even the crap still had at least SOME dynamic variance.

Then there is the fact that they are feeding everyone through the Antares Autotune all the time, even during live performances. I mean one of the thing that made some of the greats unique was their playing/singing OUT of tune. Heck, some kinds of music regularly makes use of quarter tones which is "out of tune" by western musical thinking.

I agree, there has always been shitty music. Hell, I've played shitty classical form the 1400s, it's not like there weren't crappy composers back then. The problem is lately they seem to be trying to homogonize all music and make it so that people literally CAN'T become great, even if the try.

This isn't even to mention their greedy licensing practises and their illegal behaviour.

Re:Three words for Canadian CD-R/RW buyers

[Dashing Leech]

Actually, downloading copyrighted material without permission *isn't* legal in Canada.

As always, RTFA, or here (from a previous Slashdot story), or Canadian Copyright Law.

Indeed, it appears to be legal to download copyrighted songs in Canada, even according to copyright experts and internet law experts. It hasn't been tested in court yet, but it seems prosecutors believe it is legal too so they won't prosecute.

But as the article states, uploading (broadcasting) is clearly illegal. So as long as we Canadians just leech, we're fine (legally speaking).

Re:When American P2P violators buy canadian CDRs

[coke_dite]

The trouble with this is that there really isn't much money collected in this manner. Especially when you look at how it's distributed.

You can see how the levies are calculated here and read the actual Certified Tariff documents here