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Nintendo - Stodgy, Not-So-Super Mario?

Thanks to the Washington Post for their article discussing Nintendo's current position in the console wars. Although many of the usual points are discussed (despite Sony and Microsoft's efforts at innovation in online gaming and elsewhere, Nintendo has "...stuck to a philosophy that people who buy and play video games enjoy the familiar and care little for such gimmickry"), the piece also points to possible failure in Nintendo's current tactics ("The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity.") The article ends with an analyst's concern that "...the game console market might be starting to move beyond what Nintendo can deliver."

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  1. Man this really gets old... by gangien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every freaking post that mentions Ninendo is about their death.. Really? they sure seem so dead to me.. I mean really, When do we get to see trolls like Gamespy now Confirms: Nintendo is dying.

    Man it ticks me off. Here's two facts. They are leading the way in terms of profit and they are number 2 in consoles sold. And I predict that soon PS/XBox will be in a different Market than Nintendo anyhow.

    1. Re:Man this really gets old... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The gamecube only costs as much as 2 games, and you get 4 (well 3, Zelda II is odd) great games with it. It's not like you are buying the console at this price. It comes free with the games.

    2. Re:Man this really gets old... by GreatDrok · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a PS2 and GCN for my console gaming needs. I also have a PC (Athlon XP2200+ running Windows XP) for gaming and a G4 iBook for most of my computing needs with Linux providing services, used to have a Linux laptop but the Mac does everything and then some. The GCN cost wasn't an issue as the machine was really that cheap and the combination of the PS2, GCN and PC give me the widest range of games. I did consider an Xbox for a while but the only game I was considering was Halo which I have since got on the PC (and frankly can't see what the fuss is all about).

      At the end of the day, the choice for games I think should be a PS2 or Xbox and then you should also get a GCN. The real killer app turns out to be the GameBoy player.

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    3. Re:Man this really gets old... by jabberjaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But then I realized that the only games for the gamecube that I was interested in was the Zelda series and the Resident Evil series.
      Given the current price of $99.00, it seems as if you may well be justified in buying the system for those two series of games. Hell, I have considered buying a gamecube solely for the purpose of playing ikaruga. Mmmm... ikaruga.

    4. Re:Man this really gets old... by mraymer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, you are 100% correct. All of this "Nintendo dying" propaganda must be fueled by Microsoft in an effort to bring the xbox out of the #3 slot in worldwide sales.

      Just because Nintendo is the #3 selling in the US does not mean it is dying, especially when other countries are flat out ignoring the xbox. No matter how Microsoft tries to spin the numbers, the truth is Nintendo is owning them in worldwide sales.

      I read somewhere that when 3D0 was in their bankrupt state with their console, their numbers were better than X-Box's current situation. So the question remains, how much longer will the Microsoft money machine continue to back the xbox? Won't Microsoft stockholders get a little upset? Or, will Microsoft continue to put enough of a spin on the situation to keep slogging onward?

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    5. Re:Man this really gets old... by SuperMo0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read somewhere that when 3D0 was in their bankrupt state with their console, their numbers were better than X-Box's current situation.

      3D0 didn't have nearly as much money as either Microsoft or Nintendo. Nintendo has the GBA to fall back on, which is a point that all of these "Nintendo is dead" articles seem to miss. Nintendo also has decades of profit stored away, meaning that they can take a fall and not have to worry about completely collapsing like 3D0. Sega collapsed because they spread themselves too thin. Nintendo is avoiding this situation, and managing to stay steadily afloat in the process.

  2. More of the same from North American reporters. by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "After a year of mostly lackluster sales for the GameCube console (save a recent spurt following a recent price cut) and declining support from game developers, it looks as though Nintendo may have miscalculated."

    AKA: "blah, blah, blah, THE END IS NEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SONY!"

    Please. I've read this before. The fact is that Nintendo does like to stick to its tried-and-true, but the tried-and-true do rock.

    We're also starting to see a lot more coolness in terms of software that targets the 'cube, rather than just garbage software. Maybe you don't remember having a PS2 -- but between its launch in 2000, and late 2002, there wasn't much for decent software (a handful of really good titles), and most of the first-gen stuff was just warmed over PS1 games with more textures. The same thing is true of the GameCube and Xbox -- the first year and a bit is usually pretty dire for decent games. Real innovation (like F-Zero GX being a true evolution of the game, and the upcoming RE4), as well as great remakes (RE1, Metal Gear Solid), as well as cool concepts (Animal Crossing, Pacman VS) are all great things which other consoles do not have. No serious gamer would be caught without a GameCube.

    Then they go on to say stuff like, "The GameCube is teetering on the edge of whether they should stay in this business or not." Which is funny as all fuck because there are about 1.5 million more GameCubes out there than Xboxes. I suppose this means that Microsoft should pack its shit and go back to trying to kill Linus Torvalds -- because they obviously are total suck-asses at video game consoles. Strange, I haven't seen a Washington Post article about that!

    North American reporters have this queer fascination with kicking someone when they're down. This is just another example of it.

    GameCube has all the stuff that Sony and Microsoft don't. There is a huge amount of overlap in the PS2 and Xbox library, but very little in GameCube land. As I said before, no serious gamer would be without a GameCube.

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    1. Re:More of the same from North American reporters. by burns210 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am in agreement fully with your post, but would like to ammend something:

      Nintendo has been the God of gaming for many years, with Microsoft being new to the game and Sony being somewhat of a vertran. Microsoft loses money on every xbox sold, sony makes some money, but not much. Nintendo, while selling the CHEAPEST console, make a significant cut in profits on every sale. Plus, i personally own what, 3 or 4 Nintendo inhouse games, all of which are friggin aswesome (zelda being FAR cooler than i had expected), so they are up quite a bit on my money. Microsoft requires you buy their inhouse games to be able to counter their loss in xbox sales.

      The former number 1 in the market now sells the cheapest of the 3 consoles, make a significant profit off each sale, produces high quality inhouse games, has an extremely loyal fan base and is 2nd overall in the world market(xbox being well behind in Asia).

      Ya, Nintendo is dying as much as Apple and *BSD are.

    2. Re:More of the same from North American reporters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      "Zelda:WW sold a lot less in a year than Zelda:OoT did in two months"

      Which is funny, because the N64 had just a tiny fragment of the GameCube's userbase. Eensy weensy. This was mainly because there were far fewer consoles of any type sold back then. Of course, when there are only 50 games for a system, any particular game will have a much higher sell-through rate on that system.

      In any case, WW just isn't as good as Ocarina... it's possible for a Zelda title to be better or worse than another, and for sales to suffer for that reason. You can't reason from one game that's rather too short on system 2 compared to its epic predecessor on system 1 and say, "Hey, this means the console's sales are declining." If you could, The PS2 would be absolutely in the hole because of the sluggish sales of Lament of Innocence, and the collapse of the King's Quest series would have heralded the end of the PC.

  3. Re:Ninntendo is choosing cute characters by nempo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you havn't noticed, 'Nintendo' is not the same thing as 'Gamecube'. The 'mature excuse' is pretty old to and makes you look as though you have been living in a cave for the past two or three years.

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  4. One flaw I see with the Gamecube by Drakino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lack of online support. This is my only point against the Gamecube. I'd love to play some internet games of Mario Kart, or Mario Party and such, but even with my broadband adaptor, I can't. Several unique Nintendo only games would be awesome online.

    And yes, I know about Warp Pipe. It sucks right now, unless you have a killer internet connection to the other system.

    Beyond that, the Cube has the most innovative controller I have ever seen *gasp* different sized buttons instead of identical ones. It has the best wireless controller, since it's first party. It has the most unique games out of all the consoles. It's cheep, since it didn't try to include things like DVD playback (worthless to most tech savy people who already owned a DVD player).

    And as many others have pointed out, the Gamecube is doing rather well, and I am sure will solidify the number two spot after the holiday numbers come in.

    I guess noone writes XBox doom articles, since MS could afford to mail free XBoxes like AOL CDs if they really wanted to.

    1. Re:One flaw I see with the Gamecube by Bishop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I want is an excellent multiplayer experience that I can share with three other people in the room.

      The Nintendo Generation has grown up. It is harder for them to get together with friends on a regular basis. They have kids, houses, and spouses. They have moved across town or out of town. To them online play is a godsend. It is easy to set aside an hour or two for a little online play with their old friends.

  5. Right. by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...the game console market might be starting to move beyond what Nintendo can deliver."

    This statement may more or less be true. However, this isn't something that Sony and Microsoft is immune to. What happens if the PS3 is a mediochre upgrade to the PS2? More polys, higher res, slightly flashier graphics. What if the XBOX2 has DVR capabilities, and people buy it for that and not so much for games? What if some 'never-been-in-the-game-market-before' company shows up surrounded in a hype field? (Apple? IBM? Toshiba??)

    The point? At least Nintendo's trying. Not every idea is a winner. However, they have built themselves a rather faithful audience to support them for coming years. Yeah, maybe one day they'll go the way of Sega. That's life. It's just hard to imagine, though, that the other two players have any less to fear. Sony does not have Mario. Microsoft doesn't have enough success to bank on backwards compatibility. And the game market is increasingly attractive to newcomers.

    The funny thing is, Nintendo's loss of marketshare would be hard to describe as a black eye. Maybe there's some hurt pride. Fair enough. Are they successful? Yes. Are they profitable? Oh hell yes. Are they innovative? Well gee, there sure is a whole lotta Nintendo-copy-catting going on.

    "The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity."

    Mostly a true statement, though it's written as though the GameCube and/or the GBA is/aren't succesful. Okay, maybe it's just my Nintendo zealousy, but it's interesting how outsiders have such a dim view of what's going on in Nintendo's world. "Oh they've dropped back to #3. Bye Bye Nintendo." I'm starting to feel as though I need to re-examine my perception of Apple.

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    1. Re:Right. by orthancstone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem I see is that for Nintendo, this is really the second failed console in a row (think Sega...they had several fail and finally dropped out). I hate to say the N64 was a failure, but it came up way short of expectations AND it ended up losing the console war with the Playstation.

      That's why I wonder about Nintendo's future...because this isn't just "one misstep"; this is a continuation on a previous misstep (despite the fact that the GC corrects on several errors the N64 made).

      Besides, I think you know as well as I...even if the PS3 sucked, it probably would still sell more due to the massive amount of new gamers (wankers) who have no taste in gaming since they haven't been around since the days of the original systems. :/

  6. I love the GameCube... by sammaffei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have both an XBox and a GC. Had a PS2 but got rid of it when I realized that the GC was graphically and gameplay wise better.

    I love the fact that most GC games (especially those from produced by Nintendo) support 480p. Heck, launch games like "Luigi's Mansion" and "Rogue Squadron" were 480p from the start. Also, the Wavebird is the best wireless controller hands down.

    I attribute the PS2 success to backward compatability and the Microsoft Windows "me too" effect. Ironic that Microsoft is being beaten by their own strategy.

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  7. Wow by gasaraki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So now every console needs a Grand Theft Auto to even be viable? Sorry, it's a decent game, but is doesn't even come close to defining what gaming is or whatever the hell you seem to think. Game consoles existed before GTA type games existed and they'll continue to exist long after it's dead and buried. Who the hell cares whether or not Nintendo has a GTA type game? If that's all you want out of a system, I have to say your gaming experience must be pretty narrow.

  8. Re:Now that the fanboys have made themselves known by n0wak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's seen as a "kiddie system" for a reason, boys.

    Why? Because 14 year old males are so insecure that they'd feel "kiddy" playing something like Super Mario, yet have no problems watching Dragon Ball Z or other completely childish crap like that? It's funny how all the "mature" games, the ones that teenagers claim as some sort of claim to their maturity, are the most immature games of them all.

  9. Ok, lets explain this once and for all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nintendo main target is "family" (kids)
    because that means anyone can buy their games (more $$$), they reuse their own franchises to attract their "fanbase" grown ups and teens who used to play with their franchises (more $$$)so they always will have a fan base as soon as theres kids and kids parents who buy kid games more ($$$), everybody (who is not a nintendo fan at least) is sick and tired of seing Mario, pikachu and Zelda (and all their spin offs) in a yet another ridiculous game the 100th time but the thing is they are not bad (N has geniuses in their staff) and since they have their "fanbase" they always sell.

    Nintendo is never going to change because their "business plan" is extremely proofitable
    and therefore is highly unlikely to "die".

    However is also unlkikely they get back to the top of the lists either, because a lot of gamers are just tired of "their scheme" and have adopted other consoles instead.