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Nintendo - Stodgy, Not-So-Super Mario?

Thanks to the Washington Post for their article discussing Nintendo's current position in the console wars. Although many of the usual points are discussed (despite Sony and Microsoft's efforts at innovation in online gaming and elsewhere, Nintendo has "...stuck to a philosophy that people who buy and play video games enjoy the familiar and care little for such gimmickry"), the piece also points to possible failure in Nintendo's current tactics ("The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity.") The article ends with an analyst's concern that "...the game console market might be starting to move beyond what Nintendo can deliver."

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  1. Man this really gets old... by gangien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every freaking post that mentions Ninendo is about their death.. Really? they sure seem so dead to me.. I mean really, When do we get to see trolls like Gamespy now Confirms: Nintendo is dying.

    Man it ticks me off. Here's two facts. They are leading the way in terms of profit and they are number 2 in consoles sold. And I predict that soon PS/XBox will be in a different Market than Nintendo anyhow.

    1. Re:Man this really gets old... by Christopher+Cashell · · Score: 5, Informative

      You should do a little more research. . . there are a great number of truly amazing games available for GameCube. If you think the Resident Evil series is good, check out Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. It's what Resident Evil 0 should have been. Except that none of the Resident Evil games have actually been as good as Eternal Darkness.

      Without knowing what kinds of games you like, it's hard to offer more specific suggestions, but you might be surprised at how many great GameCube games there are. Viewtiful Joe is one of the coolest things I've played in years, Ikaruga is still one of my favorites, although I've had it for almost a year now. Pac Man Vs. looks like an absolute blast for multiplayer (although the Mario Party games, and Super Smash Brothers currently rule that area). And let's not forget Final Fantasy: Chrystal Chronicles, which I'm hoping will live up to the hype, since FF: X2 has been rather disappointing.

      And, you've also got available to you pretty much everything from EA, and most major cross-platform games, like Prince of Persia, Sphinx, etc.

      [Information Disclsure: I currently own a PS2, GameCube, X-Box, Dreamcast, and PC. They all get played to some extent, but of the current consoles, the GameCube gets played the most, followed closely by PS2, and lastly (by a good bit) the X-Box.]

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    2. Re:Man this really gets old... by jabberjaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But then I realized that the only games for the gamecube that I was interested in was the Zelda series and the Resident Evil series.
      Given the current price of $99.00, it seems as if you may well be justified in buying the system for those two series of games. Hell, I have considered buying a gamecube solely for the purpose of playing ikaruga. Mmmm... ikaruga.

  2. Oh good... by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was worried that we might be overdue for a "nintendo is dead/dying" article.

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  3. More of the same from North American reporters. by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "After a year of mostly lackluster sales for the GameCube console (save a recent spurt following a recent price cut) and declining support from game developers, it looks as though Nintendo may have miscalculated."

    AKA: "blah, blah, blah, THE END IS NEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SONY!"

    Please. I've read this before. The fact is that Nintendo does like to stick to its tried-and-true, but the tried-and-true do rock.

    We're also starting to see a lot more coolness in terms of software that targets the 'cube, rather than just garbage software. Maybe you don't remember having a PS2 -- but between its launch in 2000, and late 2002, there wasn't much for decent software (a handful of really good titles), and most of the first-gen stuff was just warmed over PS1 games with more textures. The same thing is true of the GameCube and Xbox -- the first year and a bit is usually pretty dire for decent games. Real innovation (like F-Zero GX being a true evolution of the game, and the upcoming RE4), as well as great remakes (RE1, Metal Gear Solid), as well as cool concepts (Animal Crossing, Pacman VS) are all great things which other consoles do not have. No serious gamer would be caught without a GameCube.

    Then they go on to say stuff like, "The GameCube is teetering on the edge of whether they should stay in this business or not." Which is funny as all fuck because there are about 1.5 million more GameCubes out there than Xboxes. I suppose this means that Microsoft should pack its shit and go back to trying to kill Linus Torvalds -- because they obviously are total suck-asses at video game consoles. Strange, I haven't seen a Washington Post article about that!

    North American reporters have this queer fascination with kicking someone when they're down. This is just another example of it.

    GameCube has all the stuff that Sony and Microsoft don't. There is a huge amount of overlap in the PS2 and Xbox library, but very little in GameCube land. As I said before, no serious gamer would be without a GameCube.

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    1. Re:More of the same from North American reporters. by burns210 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am in agreement fully with your post, but would like to ammend something:

      Nintendo has been the God of gaming for many years, with Microsoft being new to the game and Sony being somewhat of a vertran. Microsoft loses money on every xbox sold, sony makes some money, but not much. Nintendo, while selling the CHEAPEST console, make a significant cut in profits on every sale. Plus, i personally own what, 3 or 4 Nintendo inhouse games, all of which are friggin aswesome (zelda being FAR cooler than i had expected), so they are up quite a bit on my money. Microsoft requires you buy their inhouse games to be able to counter their loss in xbox sales.

      The former number 1 in the market now sells the cheapest of the 3 consoles, make a significant profit off each sale, produces high quality inhouse games, has an extremely loyal fan base and is 2nd overall in the world market(xbox being well behind in Asia).

      Ya, Nintendo is dying as much as Apple and *BSD are.

  4. Re:Ninntendo is choosing cute characters by nempo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you havn't noticed, 'Nintendo' is not the same thing as 'Gamecube'. The 'mature excuse' is pretty old to and makes you look as though you have been living in a cave for the past two or three years.

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  5. One flaw I see with the Gamecube by Drakino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lack of online support. This is my only point against the Gamecube. I'd love to play some internet games of Mario Kart, or Mario Party and such, but even with my broadband adaptor, I can't. Several unique Nintendo only games would be awesome online.

    And yes, I know about Warp Pipe. It sucks right now, unless you have a killer internet connection to the other system.

    Beyond that, the Cube has the most innovative controller I have ever seen *gasp* different sized buttons instead of identical ones. It has the best wireless controller, since it's first party. It has the most unique games out of all the consoles. It's cheep, since it didn't try to include things like DVD playback (worthless to most tech savy people who already owned a DVD player).

    And as many others have pointed out, the Gamecube is doing rather well, and I am sure will solidify the number two spot after the holiday numbers come in.

    I guess noone writes XBox doom articles, since MS could afford to mail free XBoxes like AOL CDs if they really wanted to.

    1. Re:One flaw I see with the Gamecube by Momomoto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Am I the only person that sees no internet connectivity as an advantage? I couldn't care less if my console can go online or not.

      What I want is an excellent multiplayer experience that I can share with three other people in the room. Nintendo's games have got this in spades. A game of Mario Party just wouldn't be the same if the people you were playing against weren't in the same room.

      I see nothing wrong with Nintendo forcing us to be social creatures in order to get our multiplayer fix. Let Microsoft and Sony make games that can be played online; the truth of the matter is all the multiplayer games I play are on Nintendo right now, except for Guilty Gear X2 (PS2) and Power Stone 2 (DC).

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    2. Re:One flaw I see with the Gamecube by Bishop · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What I want is an excellent multiplayer experience that I can share with three other people in the room.

      The Nintendo Generation has grown up. It is harder for them to get together with friends on a regular basis. They have kids, houses, and spouses. They have moved across town or out of town. To them online play is a godsend. It is easy to set aside an hour or two for a little online play with their old friends.

  6. Right. by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...the game console market might be starting to move beyond what Nintendo can deliver."

    This statement may more or less be true. However, this isn't something that Sony and Microsoft is immune to. What happens if the PS3 is a mediochre upgrade to the PS2? More polys, higher res, slightly flashier graphics. What if the XBOX2 has DVR capabilities, and people buy it for that and not so much for games? What if some 'never-been-in-the-game-market-before' company shows up surrounded in a hype field? (Apple? IBM? Toshiba??)

    The point? At least Nintendo's trying. Not every idea is a winner. However, they have built themselves a rather faithful audience to support them for coming years. Yeah, maybe one day they'll go the way of Sega. That's life. It's just hard to imagine, though, that the other two players have any less to fear. Sony does not have Mario. Microsoft doesn't have enough success to bank on backwards compatibility. And the game market is increasingly attractive to newcomers.

    The funny thing is, Nintendo's loss of marketshare would be hard to describe as a black eye. Maybe there's some hurt pride. Fair enough. Are they successful? Yes. Are they profitable? Oh hell yes. Are they innovative? Well gee, there sure is a whole lotta Nintendo-copy-catting going on.

    "The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity."

    Mostly a true statement, though it's written as though the GameCube and/or the GBA is/aren't succesful. Okay, maybe it's just my Nintendo zealousy, but it's interesting how outsiders have such a dim view of what's going on in Nintendo's world. "Oh they've dropped back to #3. Bye Bye Nintendo." I'm starting to feel as though I need to re-examine my perception of Apple.

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  7. This is insane ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    How can a company be dead when their leading console ( Gameboy advance / advance sp ) has the highest user base in Japan.
    http://www.ningc.com/news.php?article=3953.

    And just hit the 10 million mark in europe.
    http://www.bdgamer.net/index.php/item/index.php/ca tegory/4/blogid/index.php/item/7307/catid/4

    And it's more expensive over here at the current exchange rate thats well over a billion dollar gross in europe alone.

    The combined sales of gamecube and gameboy advance are dominating the market at 51% of all consoles sold last month and this figure ISN'T from Nintendo it's from the retailers !!!
    http://www.gamerseurope.com/news/1095

    Perhaps the writer and the sony/microsnot toadie analysts should have done some research before proclaiming the big N dead.