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Nintendo - Stodgy, Not-So-Super Mario?
Thanks to the Washington Post for their article discussing Nintendo's current position in the console wars. Although many of the usual points are discussed (despite Sony and Microsoft's efforts at innovation in online gaming and elsewhere, Nintendo has "...stuck to a philosophy that people who buy and play video games enjoy the familiar and care little for such gimmickry"), the piece also points to possible failure in Nintendo's current tactics ("The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity.") The article ends with an analyst's concern that "...the game console market might be starting to move beyond what Nintendo can deliver."
Every freaking post that mentions Ninendo is about their death.. Really? they sure seem so dead to me.. I mean really, When do we get to see trolls like Gamespy now Confirms: Nintendo is dying.
Man it ticks me off. Here's two facts. They are leading the way in terms of profit and they are number 2 in consoles sold. And I predict that soon PS/XBox will be in a different Market than Nintendo anyhow.
I was worried that we might be overdue for a "nintendo is dead/dying" article.
It's sad when choosing an installation directory on your own qualifies you as an "advanced user."
Haven't I read this article before?
"After a year of mostly lackluster sales for the GameCube console (save a recent spurt following a recent price cut) and declining support from game developers, it looks as though Nintendo may have miscalculated."
AKA: "blah, blah, blah, THE END IS NEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SONY!"
Please. I've read this before. The fact is that Nintendo does like to stick to its tried-and-true, but the tried-and-true do rock.
We're also starting to see a lot more coolness in terms of software that targets the 'cube, rather than just garbage software. Maybe you don't remember having a PS2 -- but between its launch in 2000, and late 2002, there wasn't much for decent software (a handful of really good titles), and most of the first-gen stuff was just warmed over PS1 games with more textures. The same thing is true of the GameCube and Xbox -- the first year and a bit is usually pretty dire for decent games. Real innovation (like F-Zero GX being a true evolution of the game, and the upcoming RE4), as well as great remakes (RE1, Metal Gear Solid), as well as cool concepts (Animal Crossing, Pacman VS) are all great things which other consoles do not have. No serious gamer would be caught without a GameCube.
Then they go on to say stuff like, "The GameCube is teetering on the edge of whether they should stay in this business or not." Which is funny as all fuck because there are about 1.5 million more GameCubes out there than Xboxes. I suppose this means that Microsoft should pack its shit and go back to trying to kill Linus Torvalds -- because they obviously are total suck-asses at video game consoles. Strange, I haven't seen a Washington Post article about that!
North American reporters have this queer fascination with kicking someone when they're down. This is just another example of it.
GameCube has all the stuff that Sony and Microsoft don't. There is a huge amount of overlap in the PS2 and Xbox library, but very little in GameCube land. As I said before, no serious gamer would be without a GameCube.
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If you havn't noticed, 'Nintendo' is not the same thing as 'Gamecube'. The 'mature excuse' is pretty old to and makes you look as though you have been living in a cave for the past two or three years.
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Lack of online support. This is my only point against the Gamecube. I'd love to play some internet games of Mario Kart, or Mario Party and such, but even with my broadband adaptor, I can't. Several unique Nintendo only games would be awesome online.
And yes, I know about Warp Pipe. It sucks right now, unless you have a killer internet connection to the other system.
Beyond that, the Cube has the most innovative controller I have ever seen *gasp* different sized buttons instead of identical ones. It has the best wireless controller, since it's first party. It has the most unique games out of all the consoles. It's cheep, since it didn't try to include things like DVD playback (worthless to most tech savy people who already owned a DVD player).
And as many others have pointed out, the Gamecube is doing rather well, and I am sure will solidify the number two spot after the holiday numbers come in.
I guess noone writes XBox doom articles, since MS could afford to mail free XBoxes like AOL CDs if they really wanted to.
"...the game console market might be starting to move beyond what Nintendo can deliver."
This statement may more or less be true. However, this isn't something that Sony and Microsoft is immune to. What happens if the PS3 is a mediochre upgrade to the PS2? More polys, higher res, slightly flashier graphics. What if the XBOX2 has DVR capabilities, and people buy it for that and not so much for games? What if some 'never-been-in-the-game-market-before' company shows up surrounded in a hype field? (Apple? IBM? Toshiba??)
The point? At least Nintendo's trying. Not every idea is a winner. However, they have built themselves a rather faithful audience to support them for coming years. Yeah, maybe one day they'll go the way of Sega. That's life. It's just hard to imagine, though, that the other two players have any less to fear. Sony does not have Mario. Microsoft doesn't have enough success to bank on backwards compatibility. And the game market is increasingly attractive to newcomers.
The funny thing is, Nintendo's loss of marketshare would be hard to describe as a black eye. Maybe there's some hurt pride. Fair enough. Are they successful? Yes. Are they profitable? Oh hell yes. Are they innovative? Well gee, there sure is a whole lotta Nintendo-copy-catting going on.
"The company proclaimed that the Game Boy Advance would be a 'Trojan horse' for the GameCube - but that Trojan horse never opened because very few game designers have figured out cool ways to take advantage of that connectivity."
Mostly a true statement, though it's written as though the GameCube and/or the GBA is/aren't succesful. Okay, maybe it's just my Nintendo zealousy, but it's interesting how outsiders have such a dim view of what's going on in Nintendo's world. "Oh they've dropped back to #3. Bye Bye Nintendo." I'm starting to feel as though I need to re-examine my perception of Apple.
"Derp de derp."
Just a thought. More Mario isn't always a bad thing.
Goo goo g'joob.
How can a company be dead when their leading console ( Gameboy advance / advance sp ) has the highest user base in Japan.
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http://www.ningc.com/news.php?article=3953.
And just hit the 10 million mark in europe.
http://www.bdgamer.net/index.php/item/index.php/c
And it's more expensive over here at the current exchange rate thats well over a billion dollar gross in europe alone.
The combined sales of gamecube and gameboy advance are dominating the market at 51% of all consoles sold last month and this figure ISN'T from Nintendo it's from the retailers !!!
http://www.gamerseurope.com/news/1095
Perhaps the writer and the sony/microsnot toadie analysts should have done some research before proclaiming the big N dead.
I have both an XBox and a GC. Had a PS2 but got rid of it when I realized that the GC was graphically and gameplay wise better.
I love the fact that most GC games (especially those from produced by Nintendo) support 480p. Heck, launch games like "Luigi's Mansion" and "Rogue Squadron" were 480p from the start. Also, the Wavebird is the best wireless controller hands down.
I attribute the PS2 success to backward compatability and the Microsoft Windows "me too" effect. Ironic that Microsoft is being beaten by their own strategy.
Political correctness is the newest form of slavery.
So now every console needs a Grand Theft Auto to even be viable? Sorry, it's a decent game, but is doesn't even come close to defining what gaming is or whatever the hell you seem to think. Game consoles existed before GTA type games existed and they'll continue to exist long after it's dead and buried. Who the hell cares whether or not Nintendo has a GTA type game? If that's all you want out of a system, I have to say your gaming experience must be pretty narrow.
It's seen as a "kiddie system" for a reason, boys.
Why? Because 14 year old males are so insecure that they'd feel "kiddy" playing something like Super Mario, yet have no problems watching Dragon Ball Z or other completely childish crap like that? It's funny how all the "mature" games, the ones that teenagers claim as some sort of claim to their maturity, are the most immature games of them all.
Wow, let's all join on the Nintendo-bashing bandwagon! Completely ignoring actual statistics!
Nintendo's stock price is back above 10,000 Yen for the first time in two months since the profit-loss announcement. Sales have been through the roof since the price-cut. Heck the article bases Nintendo's "failure" off of two month old console sales and sales of one game.
"The GameCube is teetering on the edge of whether they should stay in this business or not,"
Congratulations on doing research. Nintendo has said time and again, when they leave the console-making business, they leave the games business.
Game magazine editor Davison said the smartest thing for Nintendo to do would be to "circle the wagons" on the handheld market and give up the console market, a thought other analysts share.
WHY? The GameCube has more million sellers (Including titles rated M) than the Xbox, in the states AND abroad. Heck, Super Smash Bros. Melee has outsold Halo, but would this article have you believe that?
Mario Kart Double Dash was the top seller in November, even though it was only out for 1/2 of the month. It sold 650,000 consoles compared to 750,000 PS2s and 400,000 Xboxen.
What more does the WashingtonPost expect out of Nintendo? They can only stage a comeback so fast. Of course, the Post fails to mention Sony's profit loss or MS's trickling Xbox Live numbers.
Whoever wrote this article clearly just wants to sound hip in putting down a company that is clearly in no position to leave. Don't base a company's success on their business in your area. Heck, would you believe Sony's profits fell 98% during one quarter this year? Just remember, it takes a lot less sales of First-party games(GCN) to make a profit than licensing out for Third-party games and console sales(PS2) and last I checked, as long as you are making money doing it, why stop? And, no, the profit loss last quarter was not due to sales of anything whatsoever. Nintendo's huge cash stockpile is overseas partially and when the value of the Yen increases by only a few cents, the value in the banks drops dramatically. If you've been following currency amounts, you'll know it's wacky. Heck, Canada's trading at nearly $1.30/76c for the first time in a long while.
Wrong. They sued for uses of their trademarked logos, screenshots they released for news/review media (which is NOT the same as unofficial strategy guides), and in a very particular case that got Slashdotted (where Daily Radar's parent company, Imagine Media, was sued), the company used the Pokemon trading cards for their pics of the Pokemon, as well as using the actual trademarked Pokemon logo on the unnoficial book.
Funny thing is, when the Daily Radar thing happened, most /. people didn't read what was up, and instantly rallied behind the 'little guy' of Daily Radar (which Nintendo denied screenshots and other products because of their parent comapny's use of Pokemon stuff), and proclaimed Nintendo as the new Satan.
Unofficial stategy guides can be fine... but they need to make their own artwork, not use trademarked logos, etc. In the cases of suing unofficial strategy guide publishers, it is normally because they violate copyright/trademark laws, normally while the game company suing has their own official guide out, or licenses the properties to a publisher. Unofficial guides that rip off the properties steal sales from those actually licensed, and, as such, should be sued out of existance. If they use no screenshots, official artwork, trademarked logos, etc (IE make their own art (costs money), don't have released screenshots (have to make themselves), and use normal letters for trademarked names (people won't notice them)). then fine, but many of the 'unnoficial' guides did use such things without permission, and deserved to be sued.
While Nintendo claims that the proprietary GC disc size is to prevent piracy, the more likely reason (since piracy is as rampant now as it is for the other two systems)
Really? While I've heard that ISOs are found here and there, there's no way to replicate the media, or force a full sized burned DVD into a GC. Piracy is all about ease of use. To pirate GC games is a wee bit harder than the other two, and as such is nowhere near as widespread as PS2 and Xbox piracy.
is that Nintendo owns the manufacturing factory for the discs
Um, and Sony outsources for the PS2 (Sony is one of the largest DVD disk manufacturers in the world)? Or Microsoft for the Xbox's prorpietary DVD disks? How is this different for Nintendo, then? That's like saying it's wrong for Warner Bros. to have a DVD making factory or a CD music disk making factory for their respective divisions.
Game publishers don't press their own disks for any console. The consiole manufacturers do. This goes for the Xbox and PS2 as well. Sony and Microsoft own the factories that press their disks; yet its bad that Nintendo does? Grow a brain.