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Computers Paraphrase English

AhaIndia submits a link to a story discussing computerized paraphrasing of English news articles. This technology, destined to eventually replace most reporters with very small shell scripts, is thankfully still in its infancy.

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  1. hmm... soudns familiar... by Dorothy+86 · · Score: 4, Funny
    This technology, destined to eventually replace most reporters with very small shell scripts

    This shirt?

  2. Automated slashdot? by TwistedSquare · · Score: 3, Funny
    This technology... thankfully still in its infancy.

    So one day instead of complaining against michael and co., everyone will be moaning about someone else's code - seems more appropriate for a nerd site somehow ;)

    1. Re:Automated slashdot? by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "It might even know the proper use of to/too and your/you're."

      Yeah, but can it manage to use "There are" instead of "There is" with a plural subject?

      Actually, the long known solution to most of these *oh so difficult* translation problems is to translate everything into a neutral interlanguage like Interlingua and then translate that into other languages, sending the interlingua version along for the ride, thus preventing degradation in further translations. Then all that local linguists have to concentrate on is ONE set of problems: translating their local language into and out of Interlingua, and Interlingua, being tightly defined, is much easier to machine translate into and out of other languages. So...all this lunacy of trying to machine translate Chinese into English, German, Hungarian, Estonian...--you get the picture--is an incredible waste of time and resources and isn't the best way to solve the problem.

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  3. Interesting use of Technology by rkz · · Score: 2, Troll

    Google news already uses a similar technique to decide what to put in the summary beneath the headline, it does not paraphrase but it does actually extract a summary.

    Also if you have Microsoft Word lying about there is a feature called Auto-summary which is suprisingly good, amost as effective as going through a document yourself looking for the main points.

    1. Re:Interesting use of Technology by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've provided search engine functionality to a few sites using Verity's K2 product, which provides a similar piece of functionality. If you (programmatically) ask it to return a summary of each hit, what you get is what it considers to be representative of the document as a whole, not merely the first few lines, or a paragraph, or whatever. It actually works pretty well, but then it should, as (a couple of years ago) it cost almost as much as my house...

    2. Re:Interesting use of Technology by znu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mac OS X users can select text and choose 'Summarize' from the Services menu in any Cocoa or Services-enabled Carbon application. Summarization is also available to any application programatically through the Find By Content API.

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  4. fox_news.sh by sinclair44 · · Score: 5, Funny

    #!/bin/sh curl $1 > paraphrase > slant -patriotic -stupid > fox_news_story.txt

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    1. Re:fox_news.sh by drakaan · · Score: 4, Funny
      perl makestory.pl -slant "liberal dem party-line" -severity "raving" -subject "Cheney Halliburton motives"

      Fair is fair ;)

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    2. Re:fox_news.sh by drakaan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, some of us (me, for instance) listen to fox news and NPR...my own personal take on fair and balanced...and see that the party line is alive and well on both major sides of the political fence. That's part of the reason I'll never be a democrat or a republican (or a libertarian, or any other label you want to stick on a like-minded group of people). The news has information in it. Look for it, compare notes, and make up your own mind what's news.

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    3. Re:fox_news.sh by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm a big fan of completely blocking out the major new outlets and simply investigating matters on my own. I take a mental highlighter to the actual facts as stated in an article, and disregard the interpretation.

      I have discovered there are very few people actually collecting news. In many cases I boil a dozen or so stories down to a single quote from the same source, or even funnier, one reporter's misinterpretation of another reporter's work. My favorite is when an american reporter writes that "the bomb was detonated from approx 330 feet away." They ripped of someone else's estimate of "about 100 meters."

      You are correct though, anyone who takes what they see or hear at face value is a fool. Regardless of the source.

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    4. Re:fox_news.sh by niom · · Score: 4, Funny
      Fair is fair ;)

      Except when immediately followed by "and balanced".

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  5. Very small shell scripts by bunnyman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, but until it can post duplicate articles with slightly different phrases, it will never replace CowboyNeal!

    1. Re:Very small shell scripts by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but a system will not take the place of CowboyNeal until it posts duplicate articles with slighty different phrases!

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    2. Re:Very small shell scripts by matth · · Score: 3, Funny

      After taking the place of CowboyNeal will a system like posting duplicate articles, phrase slightly different? Yes!

    3. Re:Very small shell scripts by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Funny

      CowboyNeal's system is posting slighty different phrases. Yes takeing me places!

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  6. But still.... by AgBullet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    won't you need someone to write the stuff to be paraphrased in the first place?? explain to me how that replaces reporters with small shell scripts.

    1. Re:But still.... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      There are reporters? Crap, every other article in my local fishwrap is Rueters, the other half is AP. There are one or two articles for local color, generally homicides or documenting yet more ways our local government is a) corrupt, b) inept, and/or c) playing partisen politics with/against the state goverment.

      By the time it's printed in the "News" its usually pretty old.

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  7. The Ultimate Tool For Plagiarism by popo · · Score: 4, Interesting


    All someone has to do now is marry this technology with a term-paper database, and "Hello Original Work!"

    The question will then become, how many different unique "paraphrases" can the system ultimately generate?

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    1. Re:The Ultimate Tool For Plagiarism by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually you can use topic maps to decompose a body of work into individual statements and then use a set or randomly generated "flavors" to re-constitute the facts into an original work. The rules about what goes where are pretty cut and dry.

      More stuff to help people avoid shitwork, only for humanity to discover our purpose in life IS to do shitwork.

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
    2. Re:The Ultimate Tool For Plagiarism by KrispyKringle · · Score: 2, Interesting
      This isn't necessarily the big problem it appears. I've heard of many college professors and high school teachers using automated plagiarism detectors in the news, and that strikes me as stupid, as well. I mean, if a student has to write a paper on _The Bell Jar_, I'm sure he can find one online. But in most classes, you expect some level of familiarity with the students, on part of the teacher. If a kid who sleeps in every class and who's comments tend to be off topic or stupid turns in a paper worthy of The Atlantic Monthly, the teacher ought to realize something is up. Sure, it may not be absolute proof of wrongdoing, but it warrants a talk with the student about his erratic performance.

      College courses might be a bit tougher; there are certainly plenty in which the course is simply too large for the professor to know all the students, but in most courses, the subject matter is novel enough that finding a paper online that's relevant should be pretty difficult.

      I went to a high school with quite a lot of cheating (probably at least half the students engaged in it occasionally or more), and it really did get me. The co-valedictorian was this fat bitch who cheated on a regular basis (and even had been caught at it). And even in college I've seen some things that were borderline or worse. But there are better answers to this than ``let's do everything we can to stop cheaters.''

      First, cheating is symptomatic of misplaced priorities and pressures. The students who cheated the most were the ones who didn't really understand why they should go to school.

      Second, as trite as it sounds, you really are only cheating yourself. The kids who cheated the most in my high school didn't get very far (save perhaps for the co-valedictorian). I never cheated, and (not to toot my own horn, of course) I was the other co-valedictorian, I went to the prestigious school, I had the career opportunities, etc. The thing that always struck me as funny was that most of the kids who cheated didn't do very well anyway.

      And finally, even if some people cheat and get good grades, does it really matter? Your grades aren't relative to others, they are your own. Sure, colleges look at what percentile you are in, but I don't think cheating ever helped anyone that much to begin with. And grades themselves, cheating or no, are pretty meaningless; grade inflation and average GPAs vary enough from school to school as to be useless as objective indicators anyway. You hope colleges can see a bit more into the personality of their applicants than simply the GPA (and if they can't, it's the admissions system, not cheating, that's at fault).

      I guess I'm a bit offtopic now. Ah, well.

    3. Re:The Ultimate Tool For Plagiarism by SurgeonGeneral · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, we've all heard the arguments against cheating.

      Especially the, 'you're only cheating yourself' one.

      Its irrelevant because this will not affect the way we cheat so much as the way we learn and the way we write. Think about it beyond your personal experience in high school.

      1. On the micro scale, an autosummerize feature like this will allow someone to take another's essay and put their facts into their own words. But I dont see how this makes any difference to the cheater other than saving him an hour. To see this tech as a problem on this level is to ignore the future.

      2. On the medium scale, it will allow someone to take multiple papers, extrapolate all the facts and their sources and then string them together again with their own interpretation. This will allow the learner to come up with a new argument and possibly a fresh insight based on the available information. In this case, it saves the learner a few hours of reading, though he has to do the same amount of thinking and logical reasoning. Is it a shame that the person doesnt have to waste time reading irrelevant information? Still, looking at it on this level is not thinking very deep.

      I take history in university and the essays we have to write are done by data mining books. Lots of books. We have to read large amounts of material in as short a time as possible. We have to find out what is important and what is relevant. Am I really learning how to analyze facts? I dont think so. I am learning how to write university papers and theorize based on incomplete information. I am learning how to make a lot of wasted time look like a lot of work.

      3. The macro scale. What if every book ever written was replicated in full electronically and available for parsing. What if I could extrapolate every fact from every source even remotely relevant to a topic. I'm right back to where I was before : hours and hours of reading. Yet, my argument will be more solid and my information more complete then it ever could be using the outdated method of data mining: looking in the indexes of books. In this case, what am I learning? I am learning how to think. I am learning how to spot holes, inconsistancies, fallacies, and etc. In this case the technology has eliminated cheating altogether because there is no single source to copy from. And if I want to understand how all these facts are related to each other I either have to think about it or read an other authors interpretation of it. (thus I could still cheat in the classical sense)

      4. But lets look at it on one more level, the very tiniest level and the most futuristic. A well constructed paragraph or sentence cant be parsed down, and wouldnt make sense if it was. The facts contained in a paragraph only become important in relation to one another. So in the end, it could just change the way we write. Enough with this puffed up crap, enough with padding your papers - either state whats important or nothing at all. A well constructed essay in the future will be one that cant be "autosummerized" without losing all its intelligability.

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    4. Re:The Ultimate Tool For Plagiarism by iabervon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since the point of term papers is not, in fact, to learn to write term papers, it is likely that, as the production of term papers becomes possible while missing the point, the assignment should be changed to retain the point.

      The ability to do research (of known information, at least) has already been changed by technology. Google, PubMed, and other sites make real literature research possible for high school students with just a web browser, and the kind of slogging through printed books that I learned in high school is now entirely obsolete, like long division. Doing a term paper on the Oneida Community in high school, I was limited to the books in my high school library and town library (and my parent's tableware), and I had to look in card catalogs and chase references to do it. Today, I can just type "Oneida Community" into Google, and I get primary sources, the site's own information, photos, and various essays on the subject. The old skills simply don't produce as good information as is trivially available today.

      Technology replaces the gruntwork in research, and allows a given assignment to take less time finding the information and more time thinking about it. If the point is to teach students to learn new things, shouldn't it be encouraged to eliminate with technology all of the parts which are not part of learning new things, but rather part of demonstrating that you have learned them?

      If you are required to come to a novel conclusion after looking at everything written on your topic, and then argue that position, it doesn't matter how little of the text you personally writing originally; if the result is a logical argument, you must have understood the topic and selected suitable raw material for it.

      I think the real problem with term papers is that you are encouraged to come to the same conclusions that everybody else does, but to put it in your own words. In writing such a term paper, good research will turn up something that is exactly what you want to say. New things aren't part of the assignment at all. The task is essentially to rephrase something that's already well-written, and this task will soon be automatable.

  8. Dupe by greenhide · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately, there isn't yet a way to use computers to detect dupes.

    Or Is there?!?

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  9. School Reports by gregfortune · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, will there be difference between paraphrasing and copying now in an educational setting? Seems like this could make a report pretty easy...

    1) Brainstorm some key points/ideas
    2) Have this program data mine for relavent articles online
    3) Feed sections of each article into the program and have a finished paper

    Granted, the tech isn't quite that powerful yet and probably wouldn't do a whole paper, but it sure looks like it could supply several paragraphs of material per page...

    1. Re:School Reports by roninmagus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do very much hope so; as a computer science major who hhaaatteess general studies classes, I hope very much that the English/History classes which so graciously waste my programming time with useless writings go down the drain. Of course, my website is entirely such useless writings, so I stand trumped.

      However, I did meet my girlfriend and hopefully future wife in Sophomore English at MTSU. Go figure.

  10. Rethink English ! by Thinkit3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lojban is among the more interesting newer languages. It can be parsed just like c! Esperanto is somewhat interesting. English will be regarded in the future as a curious artifact--it was swept along with the technology revolution simply because ASCII didn't include accents and extra marks on letters. Eventually we'll get away from vocalization all together and have purely numerical, written laguages.

    Right now, trying to work with English in computers deals way more with the strangeness of the language than the more interesting issues of cognition that lie underneath.

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    1. Re:Rethink English ! by TwistedSquare · · Score: 2, Insightful
      English will be regarded in the future as a curious artifact

      One man's informative is another man's troll... Esperanto was interesting and look where it got. Nowhere. People will speak in what's easiest. English is becoming a de facto standard that will continue to be the most spoken language in the world. People won't use odd designed languages because it will be harder than current languages, which got where they are today though iterative refinement to be the best suited language for us to communicate in.

    2. Re:Rethink English ! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Right now, trying to work with English in computers deals way more with the strangeness of the language than the more interesting issues of cognition that lie underneath.

      That's true. Computer languages that don't stick close to "regular" human expression are very popular and growing quickly. Languages that resemble written English are dwindling rapidly.

      After all, code is meant to be written, not read, and programmers should strive to write such that their work can't be understood by anyone not an expert in the language they're using.

      Put another way: as long as I have to fix other people's code, or I want my boss to be able to read my code without me spending an afternoon explaining it to him, I really hope it doesn't look like a string of line noise. English-like constructs may be distracting for some, but they're pretty handy for the rest of us.

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  11. Re:DUPE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    It's not a dupe; it's a computer generated paraphrasing of the earlier story.

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  12. Fake literature by MAPA3M · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't this the way those trashy love novels are written?

  13. Or games... by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 3, Funny

    Someone set up us the bomb!

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  14. Replace reporters?? by dyj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How is this going to replace reporters? Reporters don't just paraphrase other reports. They actually are supposed to search for stories (hopefully factual!) on their own.

  15. Something similiar existed on the Amiga by Serk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in the late 1980's I had a word processor for my Amiga that had a function whereby it would do a global search and replace of every Xth word (User settable) with a synonym from the built in Theasarus... Very handy for those term papers I so hated in high school...

    I'm assuming this (Of course I didn't RTFA) is far more advanced than what we had back then, but the idea for this has been around for quite a while at least...

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  16. Possible outcome of computerized paraphrasing by CapnCarrot · · Score: 2, Funny

    AhaIndia submits story discussing paraphrasing of articles. This technology, destined to replace reporters shell, is still in its infancy. Huh, perhaps we'll still need humans after all . . .

  17. Do you know what reporters DO? by DavidinAla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For you to say that this technology will someday replace reporters makes me think that you're clueless about what reporters do. Do you realize that the biggest parts of a reporter's job are gathering facts and making judgments about 1) which stories are worth reporting, 2) which are the relevant facts about a story and 3) who's lying and who's telling the truth about a story? The actual writing that you see is many times almost incidental to most of what a reporter does. You might not like the judgments that a reporter makes (and I could agree with that in many cases), but software can't go out into the world and talk to people and use judgment and intuition to find information to write about.

    As an ex-reporter and editor, I find it laughable that anyone might think this technology will replace reporters. It's sort of like suggesting that machines that can read source code and interpret it can somehow figure out what new software people want and then write it. Both possibilities are equally insane.

    1. Re:Do you know what reporters DO? by DavidinAla · · Score: 2

      But even BAD journalism requires abilities that software just doesn't have. Software can't have sources and the ability to call them on the phone. Software doesn't have the ability to differentiate between good information and patently false stuff. A bad journalist might write a sensational or even purely false story, but even doing THAT requires abilities that software can't have in anything like a forseeable future.

    2. Re:Do you know what reporters DO? by shaitand · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "which stories are worth reporting"

      With this technology, ALL of the stories could be reported.

      "which are the relevant facts about a story"

      odd, I myself get very pissed about reporters who don't give ALL the facts. If you mean summarizing, that is EXACTLY what this is supposed to do.

      "who's lying and who's telling the truth about a story"

      That's for the reader to decide. A reporter who makes judgements concerning what they are reporting and expresses their view of the subject is a bad one. At least in terms of news, a review of course is another matter since that is it's entire purpose.

      "You might not like the judgments that a reporter makes"

      A reporter shouldn't be making judgements, this is constant, most reporters do and slant the news toward what THEY believe is the truth, letting their own opinion of the matter interfere with the information they provide me to use to form MY opinion. A reporter should be a fact gather and a writer, nothing more. Gather the facts, put as much information about the subject as possible down in as concise a manner as possible SO THAT I THE READER can decide what it means, who is telling the truth and whether or not it's interesting.

    3. Re:Do you know what reporters DO? by DavidinAla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but you're SO ignorant about the way the process works that I can't begin to correct all of your misunderstandings. If you really and truly believe that it's even possible to give readers ALL of the available information every single day, you're completely unaware of how much information is out there.

      Do you want to report what is on the menu at every restaurant in town every day? What about an attendance list of who made it to school at every school in town? What about the results of every medical test at every medical provider in town? What? You say those things aren't news under normal circumstances? Well, you've just made a judgment about what should be reported. At the most elementary level -- and as simplified absurd examples -- that's the first step of what a reporter learns to do.

      There is far, far, far too much information to do what you propose. The reporter is a "gatekeeper of information," whether he likes it or not. Someone has to decide what's news and what is going to be included and what is going to be cut. SOMEONE MUST MAKES THOSE DECISIONS. Reporters and editors do it every day. You might not always agree with their decisions -- and I'm a huge critic of many decisions made in news organizations today -- but to say that nobody should be making those decisions betrays a lack of understanding of the volume of information available.

  18. Someone must research a story . . . by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    conduct interviews and generate original copy. These people are called reporters.

    The people who take this copy off the wire and paraphrase it for publication in the local paper are called copy writers.

    This software will reduce the number of copy writers needed, not reporters.

    This is certainly an issue to the copy writers and their families, but overall it's really just a blue collar worker being replaced by a robot issue.

    The idea of a 'style dial' I find a bit more disturbing.

    KFG

    1. Re:Someone must research a story . . . by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Funny

      You get news that isn't just a bunch of paraphrased press releases?

      Man, I gotta find the preferences checkbox for that stuff!

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  19. Generation isn't that easy by Ezubaric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The poster incorrectly assumes that this could be used to replace reporters. The problem is that computers have a difficult time generating new text. The methods that computers use to evaulate text (as any user of grammar-check would realize) aren't that great.

    In fact, most language models cannot generate even a large portion of English text. Those that do have a good range rarely have good accuracy, because there are many things that we "just don't say that way." This is why when you're talking to a non-native speaker, you often cannot explain why something they said was wrong. This is because there is no real grammar rule against speaking in a given way.

    So if we rule out syntax-based models, that just leaves statistical-based models. I worked in a NLP lab during the summer of 2002, and my prof there said that syntax and statistics are like the two sides of the force. Statistics are quick and easy but are seductive. They corrupt you and leave you unable to really think about the language itself. You only think in terms of bigrams and HMMs.

    So even though these systems are doing well, they are mostly statistical. Thus, it's hard to get incremental improvement. You have to have larger corpora, and larger corpora usually have more errors, thus defeating any advantage you might get by capturing more aspects of a language.

    In my opinion, only with well-developed language models that can effectively generate NL can we get anywhere. Which is what Barzilay is working on, but it's still a long, long, long way off.

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  20. The article, summarized by MacOS X by sakusha · · Score: 4, Interesting
    MacOS X has a summarization feature implemented in the Services menu. I decided to summarize the CNet article just to see what I got, and because I like the idea of summarizing an article about summarizing.
    In the famous sketch from the TV show "Monty Python's Flying Circus," the actor John Cleese had many ways of saying a parrot was dead, among them, "This parrot is no more," "He's expired and gone to meet his maker," and "His metabolic processes are now history."
    ...The program gathers text from online news services on specific subjects, learns the characteristic patterns of sentences in these groupings and then uses those patterns to create new sentences that give equivalent information in different words.
    The researchers, Regina Barzilay, an assistant professor in the department of electrical engineering and computer science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Lillian Lee, an associate professor of computer science at Cornell University, said that while the program would not yield paraphrases as zany as those in the Monty Python sketch, it is fairly adept at rewording the flat cadences of news service prose.
  21. yr comment's a journalism integrity question... by geekpuppySEA · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...not nec a problem to be solved by the code. Which BTW probably are a leetle more complex than small shell scripts, and see a good textbook like Jurafsky and Martin (pub 2000) for why.

    Re journalistic integrity - There's the possibility that a single entity could issue the release to the wire services, they could relase it in some kind of 'compiled' form (where it's just the syntax/semantic relations.) (How this could be different from how releases are issued now is a good question, but I guess there'd have to be reporters on hand to inquire about details... so maybe journalism might be saved after all... but not if templates for information were used, and the templates themselves needed to fill in the missing gaps...)

    You could imagine how each news outlet could receive the relase, and use their own reconstructive code to flesh out the [NP][VP]{NP] ("who did what to who"* scenario) and then write their own story from that.

    Editing scripts could decide what in the story would be details that would shine damaging light on that paper's politics, and then stuff those details in the 37th paragraph that no one reads, write a potentially-misleading headline that would allow for a reading that would tell its readers the exact slant they want to give the story, and DONE - they've printed the ostensible truth, but since few people are going to read the article, they've done their job and done it well.

    "Wait a minute, isn't that what happens now anyway?" Maybe, but now papers can save that much more on spin-sters' salaries. And then there'd be yet more English majors who can't find a job. Go capitalism, yay. *shudder*

    *it's who. not whom. No one has said whom in english for a century or so, and then only because they 'think' it's correct. Anytime I hear someone saying it for real, I shudder to think that they're so neurotic about their grammar that they use something they've been told is right but have never really heard themselves. None of my linguistics profs ever used "whom", EVER. I think they privately hate the word.

    P.S. This entire post have been wrote by a really good scripts.

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  22. Hardly news... by JayJay.br · · Score: 4, Informative

    This article posted before already tells us all this, the paper that originated it was mentioned in the comments, and this one is another of a series of papers by this researcher.

    OK, nothing else to see here, move on to the next redundant post (Is that paraphrasing 'dupe'?)

  23. Bring on the Machines by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I don't think many people read the article. While Michael suggest this could replace reporters, it is not about summarizing a whole article, but merely paraphrasing individual sentences and elements. This would be useful for checking for plagiarism where one author has merely line by line paraphrased another. Another useful area is in language translation, where the paraphrasing may make the translation more understandable. I don't think todays translation programs allow you to say the the same thing two or three times, but repeat it back differently (paraphrase) if not understood by your listener the first time.

    Of course the time will come when machines summarize articles, and I believe I have seen where this has already been tried with mixed success. It would be kind of neat to see /. use both a summary engine and a paraphrase engine on submitted articles. Then we could have 3 article descriptions: the posters description; a machine summary of the same article; and a machine paraphrase of the original posters summary.

  24. Paraphrase by JediDan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Would be nice to be able to summarize + paraphrase large articles and documents. Not all of us have the necessary time to read 20+ page documents.

    It won't replace original works, but it could help reduce a lot of extraneous data on the web :)

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  25. Maybe you're not sure what linguists do... by geekpuppySEA · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hey, don't troll this stuff out quite yet - sure it's future ware right now, but think ahead, and ... more to the point, read some about it. There's more to language and computational linguistics than you might think. Just because your (former) line of work stands to be partially replaced doesn't mean that the technology is insane.

    to wit, there are attributes of register, tone, and modality that can be applied not just to individual sentences, but to entire pieces of text that may be able to indicate a piece's slant, political tone, reading level, and (ahem) ability to incite readers to flame.

    Some of the decision making processes you're talking about that go on during editing and truth judgments admittedly will probably not be computerized. But some of them can.

    The point of the responses here are not to relegate journalism or wordsmithy (as it were) to the level of manual labor, as manual labor has been replaced by machines. But the truth is that machines are more complex now and they're ready to take on more complex tasks. Some things about language are very much NOT a mystery. Code isn't either.

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    1. Re:Maybe you're not sure what linguists do... by DavidinAla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe you're not clear about the difference between a reporter and an editor.

      It's theoretically possible that an editor could be replaced in some instances by software, but not the reporter. The reporter doesn't have anything to start with -- no sentences for software to analyze. A reporter normally starts with some vague thing like a source in the city clerk's office telling him that some bogus expenditures are being put into the sanitation department budget for next year, but nobody really knows what's going on. It's about rumor and bits and pieces of evidence picked up almost from the wind. The reporter has to follow up on lots and lots of little wisps of nothing and figure out which ones are worth checking out and maybe writing about.

      Software cannot do that. Until there is really perfect AI software -- which I think is so unlikely as to preclude reasonable speculation for the purpose of this conversation -- reporters won't be replaced by software.

  26. Typical /. story.. maybe they need the engine? by mattr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Slashdot needs to implement another new editorial policy: if you have nothing intelligent or really funny/biting to say, don't! An interesting topic with a another half-assed presentation.

    Obviously this is a developing field. The best models seem to use phrases from the original text, anyway the Mac OSX example above shows that it is useful to users willing to take it with a massive grain of salt, even if we are not into full computational sentience yet.

    When it works even a little better it will replace all those awful grade school teachers who assign paraphrasing as a homework assignment. The reporters who might have been replaced by it will have already lost their jobs, except for the ones in AhaIndia of course who will paraphrase for the rest of us, usually at a marginally better level than the machine.

    The research is interesting - and I'd like to understand Barzilay's notation is that APL or calculus of statement? - in the paper (pdf) I found on google. Also see the papers on her site.

    Of course structured text is easier, and news stories are known to have most of the meat in the beginning, but this is great stuff.

    One interesting older system is ThoughtTreasure which was built to understand a story and answer questions about it. The author also did work on news analysis ("NewsForms") too. There are tools out there, I've been making a survey myself too. If anyone has information about practical NLP tools for real world tasks please post.

  27. It's unlikely to catch on... by ChunKing · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The main problem is that languages, especially English, are so idiomatic that mechanical translators will be a too much of a disadvantage - take the Babelfish translator for instance.

    Furthermore, the English language is so flexible that just about any word can arbitrarily substitute for anything else - for instance, take 'bad' meaning 'good'.

    It would be impossible to program a machine to be able to understand the full spectrum of idiomatic phrases but the future may lie in employing neural net technologies so that computers can do some limited learning.

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  28. Columbia News Blaster by Richard+Allen · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe this was covered in a related Slashdot before regarding to this site: http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/nlp/newsblaster/

    Here is a quote from their site:
    Columbia Newsblaster is a system to automatically track the day's news. There are no human editors involved -- everything you see on the main page is generated automatically, drawing on the sources listed on the left side of the screen.

    Every night, the system crawls a series of Web sites, downloads articles, groups them together into "clusters" about the same topic, and summarizes each cluster. The end result is a Web page that gives you a sense of what the major stories of the day are, so you don't have to visit the pages of dozens of publications.

    Newsblaster is an academic project from the Natural Language Processing group at Columbia University's Department of Computer Science. It is designed to demonstrate the Group's technologies for multidocument summarization, clustering, and text categorization, among others. It is funded under DARPA TIDES and KDD and has been operational online since September 2001.

    Current and future enhancements include international perspectives, multilingual capability, and tracking events across days.

  29. I'm a sexist, so what? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Funny

    From the article:
    The researchers, Regina Barzilay, an assistant professor in the department of electrical engineering and computer science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Lillian Lee, an associate professor of computer science at Cornell University, said that while the program would not yield paraphrases as zany as those in the Monty Python sketch, it is fairly adept at rewording the flat cadences of news service prose.

    Two women came up with this! Why doesn't it surprise me in the least that women are officially researching ways to automate the process of saying the exact same thing in an infinite number of different ways?

    LK

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  30. Wake me up when... by Megane · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...when we can replace upper level management with small shell scripts.

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