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KDE 3.x Installation On Solaris Discussed
Jim Hall writes " A recent Sun-hosted article looks at installing and running KDE 3.x on Solaris Operating System (Solaris OS) -based workstations. Author Corey Liu tries to shy away from the debate over GNOME vs. KDE, and focuses on how KDE is installed on Sun workstations and the Solaris OS.
Both GNOME and KDE are available at freeware Web sites for users of the Solaris OS. While Sun recently began to favor GNOME as the default desktop environment on the Solaris OS, some people still enjoy using KDE."
Author Corey Liu tries to shy away from the debate over GNOME vs. KDE
That won't stop us.
why? if sun can't handle their own servers getting /.ed then i think they need to retool their product toward the people they are trying to sell toward.
... I must say for one thing, that was probably one of the worst articles I've ever seen... A monkey could figure out how to stick the Solaris Companion CD in the drive and install KDE.
That aside, I would personally recommend not installing the sun provided KDE, but rather, the packages assembled by Stefan Teleman, available through ftp.kde.org. This is version 3.1.4, whereas the Sun provided version is 3.1.1a.
At work I still use AfterStep. Why? There's nothing there to fidget with instead of working. Today I'm working from home because I busted my knee and I've got Mac OS X. I haven't gotten anything done but surf, mess with iTunes and other BS junk like that.
Oh well, a coworker is still on TWM from back when it was the only choice. He's using it because everything else is bloaty. Then again, he personally owns something like 300 computers, many of which are VAX.
On the other hand I feel that KDE is a more sophisticated GUI than Gnome in that gnome. At least, I like it better. I think what is more important than how the GUI looks is, what are the underlying support libraries, and how will these allow you to run/develop applications in a somewhat more uniform environment. I don't think that many people care all that much how their desktop looks, or which group worked on developing it. Just include the libraries that will make both parties happy and I don't see a problem.
1. This page meets my need.
2. This page was easy to find.
I wonder how many would vote 0 and 5..
"Thank you for your input."
With Novells purchase of Ximian and the founder of Gnome, could this be why Sun is now looking at KDE????
My guess is that is also has to do with Qt and some users/businesses preference for KDE. It's good to have choice as long as they both still "play" together. IMHO.
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
Installing GNOME on Solaris: Slow and Painful.
Installing KDE on Solaris: Slow but not so Painful.
This coming from someone who's successfully installed
KDE on Solaris but has yet to successfully install
GNOME on Solaris.
from the article...
He is currently working in the semiconductor industry as an applications engineer.
not that many would have read the words on the page. besides the photo with the tank top doesn't appear to be female.
Oh, Mosfet had a different opinion about RedHat. Many developers were very angry about RedHat that never supported KDE properly.
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Bero left RedHat because of their cripple KDe policy.
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=103294
"Hi,
Effective immediately, I've left Red Hat (mostly in mutual agreement - I
don't want to work on crippling KDE, and they don't want an employee who
admits RH 8.0's KDE is crippleware). If anyone needs/wants to contact me, please use the addresses
bero@berolinux.org or bero@kde.org.
For any RH specific KDE issues, please contact Than Ngo
KDE 3.x comes shipped with Solaris 8 or 9 on the Software Companion CD. I highly recommend installing all of this software, and you'll get a fully functional compiled version of KDE that is provided by Sun and supported by Sun. There is also a readme under your /opt/sfw folder that is placed there by the installer and tells you how to add KDE to your desktop selection at the Solaris login screen.
"When the president does it, that means it's not illegal." - Richard M. Nixon
Sorry, but you're only pseudo-correct. Qt has mutiple licenses, one of those is the GPL. The whole GPL, with all of its requirements, restrictions, and benefits. No more, no less.
;-) also give developers the option of not using the GPL: you can buy a licence that will let you do closed source development! Of course, like most closed source devel tools, doing this costs the developer money.
Like any GPL source, you can sell it comercially as long as you abide by the GPL. Many OSS packages are GPL, and we use them without complaint. Not only that, those nice folks at Trolltech
That's pretty much it. The developer is free to choose. Now, its not BSD or LGPL licenced, but that's the way it is. I can't figure why people scream about this (memory of the old licence situation maybe) and not about the kernel or GNU tools, those don't even give you the choice of paying for the closed option.
On the other hand, I can understand some folks being grumpy on the Windows licencing situation. But we're talking about KDE a _X11/Linux_ desktop, so I don't get where the angst comes from.
They'll think I've lost control again and leave it all to evolution. -- Supreme Being, Time Bandits
Its coming up fine, I highly doubt there servers will drop to the power of the /. crowd. Your just a Sun basher.
KDE on Windows! Geesh! ;-)
Quack, quack.
They were not the only ones that expericenced heavy problems with RH.
From what I could see, they left because THEIR camp (KDE) was not favoured over the "opposing camp". They weren't willing to compromise, so it's better for the rest of us when they left.
It's a GOOD IDEA to have a common GUI. It's a bad idea to have a hodgepodge of different widget sets. I personally don't like RedHat but in this matter they're 100% correct.
The owls are not what they seem
is there any way to get anti aliased fonts with Sun's X server? What about true type fonts? I spoose if sun's X server can use a networked font server like xfs true type would not be a problem.
I've been using the two together since kde 1.1, and it always works just fine. Now and again you might have to tweak a header file or Makefile, but usually the core and 95% of the apps work right out of the box. (Sometimes the early betas just won't build, but I can live with that.)
I'll never understand why Sun went with GNOME over KDE, cos, in terms of stability at least, that's *always* sucked on Solaris. The only shame is that you can't, at least without *major* patching, build KDE with Forte.
Well written software requires very little effort to port from Unix to Unix. It's very rare I find anything written primarily for Linux that won't build on Solaris.
This makes it very frustrating when (usually linux) people can't see further than their own OS and fail to write portable code. It's not much more work really, and people will love you for it.
Sorry, but this article is reserved for a KDE verus GNOME flamewar. Additional desktops aren't required here, especially if they're better.
Thanks
http://www.slat.org/event/redhat-flag-en They removed the Taiwanese flag from KDE to please the Chinese Government. Isn't that opportunism?
Is this a new project or a comment on the not truly 'free' QT license?
The license for QT is only free if you make free stuff.. if you intend to charge, you still have to buy a license.
That being said, QT still a much more mature widget set then GTK ( currently.. that can always change down the road ) , and I prefer KDE for the same reasons, maturity and consistence.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Does any one know if there is a project to natively port KDE onto OSX?
Pick your favourite and launch it. Then launch the other inside the former. (Gnome -- launch "Gnome panel" KDE, just see if you can start a 'session' within Gnome.) While there will be some non-compatibilities, you can arrange things to where you have what you want on each. Both desktops are excellent and the best of each is certainly the best one can do.
Strip out any really bad incompatibilities and save the setup. You have four places to put panels alone and can ofcourse place them on top of one another. When using a platform under development this saves much of the trouble of trying to depend on one desktop alone. Ofcourse add xterm, aumix and any other applications and utilities not supplied by the desktops.
I don't know a commercial software written in gtk. however in the GTK world due to LGPL (FSF says don't use it) license there is so much variety of licenses.
KDE is based on freeqt which is free for gpl apps. this works as an incentive scheme in favour of gpl licenses.
And there are quite a lot companys that use qt, as qt has a non-Linux market as well.
Why shall Trolltech's employees provide their work for free exploitation? Closed source software writers have to pay for the toolkit, nothing wrong with this.
The Linux version of QT being pseudo-gpl'e is a very common misconception. Trolltech's marketing speak is a bit confusing in regards to this... You will notice that on their site, they state:
"Any software produced with QT under the GPL license, and any derivatives of this software, must also be released under the GPL."
Which is true of ANY GPL'ed software. (Although, software based on a GPL library, is still a gray issue.) You can still sell your software in any way you see fit. However, you are obligated to release the source code for your software, under the GPL... to the people you SELL your software to. (Which brings us to a big misconception people have with the GPL. You ONLY have to release source code to people who obtain a binary from you. Regardless if this is from a free download, or a purchased copy. )
But following that, they state:
"As before, any user who wishes to create proprietary or closed source software must first purchase a development license from Trolltech."
Which means that due to the fact that QT is duel licensed, you have the OPTION of purchasing a non GPL version of the QT library from Trolltech, if you wish your derivative to remain preparatory. (Because Trolltech owns the copyright to QT, they reserve the right to duel license, or even stop using the GPL all together for future versions of their software. Which is something you CAN'T do as a third party, who does not control the copyright.)
Luke
I run an Ultra/2 (512MB RAM) with dual 300mhz UltraSPARC procs, and most environments seem sluggish.
I have several X Terminals (mostly dated laptops) and I have found Fluxbox to be the best for thin clients as well as at the console. GNOME was responsive at the console, but on 100mbit, it felt like I was running a 386. Don't get me started with CDE, it should be banned.
I'll give KDE a shot, but I have come to the conclusion less is better. If KDE can be locked down as quickly as FB, and is responsive, it will be added to my users' list of available DE to choose from at logon.
Of course this comes from a person who doesn't really care for GNOME or KDE, no matter what OS or platform it runs on.
I can't figure why people scream about this (memory of the old licence situation maybe) and not about the kernel or GNU tools, those don't even give you the choice of paying for the closed option.
If/when changes are made to kernel or GNU tools (which is *extremely* rare in mainstream, non-embedded development) the changes are so minor that sharing them doesn't compromise the comptetitive position.
Qt, on the other hand, is a library. It's sole reason for existence is to be linked with applications that companies develop. See the difference?
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
If we're going to get political about it, how about KDE's reliance on Trolltech's, a member of the Canopy Group alongside SCO?
The parent post is a troll and should be modded into oblivion!
Here at Trolltech we take our independence very very seriously and I can assure you that the Canopy Group has no control or influence over us of any kind. In fact we are not controlled by anyone outside of our own board of directors.
I hope that has helped to reasure everyone.
Regards
Director Ralphie
The real Ralph Yarro posts as Anonymous Coward. Anyone else is an impostor.
Actually, due to the FreeQt agreements, Trolltech cannot drop the GPL for future versions of Qt without having the last GPL'ed version fall into the BSD license.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
It's really a shame that Sun took so long to join the party. They do this stuff better than IBM does. For all the success they've achieved, IBM's integration of various open source tools on AIX is... well... as ugly as the rest of AIX. Sun got it right and very few people seem to know about it. When you install the Software Companion CD in its entirety, a Solaris 8 or 9 box looks and quacks like a familiar Linux machine. The whole GNU toolchain is there, GNOME and KDE are both loaded, and everything acts just the way you expect it to.
IBM could learn a few things here.
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I didn't mean to imply some crime had occurred by the 'dual licensing' of QT..
Only that the way the parent put it 'freeqt' it sounded like an alternative kit designed to mimic QT and be 100% free. And from what I remember there was a project to do this very thing, before Trolltech changed the licensing to 'dual'.. Then it lost steam after that...
Yes.. the trolltech developers deserve to eat too....
---- Booth was a patriot ----
It seems that one of Sun's goals is to enter the desktop market as a serious player.Check out project looking glass. They mention translucent windows and 3D windowing capabilities in the whitepapers. They sure are exploring an interesting possibility there.
Can the usability of the desktop be enhanced using a 3D window space paradigm instead of a 2D???
You are not a KDE lover, yes. You are also a silly person who confuses difficulty with complexity, and system administration with tinkering.
Unless you are arrogant enough to presume that just because they are using a Sun box you know what they are doing, or that for every task anyone can tackle on a Sun box fluxbox is the answer, you are also wrong.
How, pray tell, do you browse the web using fluxbox? How do you send email using fluxbox?
You dont. You use other apps. KDE provides all those apps in a single comprehensive integrated package.
For those who actually use their computers to do work, such solutions have a place.
BTW: I once had librarians (60-year-old computer phobic old grannies, really a living stereotype), using KDE 1 on Solaris. Had they been forced to use CDE, they would have had a second menopause.
Need to check your facts, last time I looked QT was not GPL you cant do anything you want..
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When was the last time you looked? Qt was GPL'ed more than three years ago, starting with version 2.2
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I have been running KDE on Solaris for quite some time. I wrote the ARTS Solaris sound daemon so I could listen to my ogg files. Generally I have had few problems with KDE on Solaris. The only problems I have are missing features in Sun's X implementation (i.e. no RENDER) and the huge number of additional libraries I need to compile to get everything working. I've also come across a number of nasty bugs in GCC when building KDE, but GCC 3.3.1+ seems to work fairly well.
I think the only reason Sun chose Gnome over KDE was the QT licensing issue. Other than that, KDE on Solaris rocks. It's also fairly stable.
I don't know why Sun has stuck with that god-aweful CDE for so long. CDE just plain sucks.
I've never downloaded the pre-built binaries, though. I need to control where it gets installed since it's running in a corporate environment and I feel more comfortable having compiled it myself. As it is, I usually need to patch a few files anyway for our environment.
Since I made it available, we've had many engineers switch from CDE to KDE. We had one lone GNOME user, but he switched as well (Sun's GNOME was too slow compared with KDE).
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
And even if they do read the whole thing, the slew of spalling arrors won't make a good impression of KDE.
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Red Hat's goal with "Bluecurve" is to provide a "user experience" that was indestingushable between Gnome and KDE. To do this you have to throw out all of the K-isms. Its not Konquer or Galeon or Mozilla...its a Web Browser.
I never understood what the issue behind this was. RH took KDE and Gnome and extended it into a blended environment. The Gnome team was fine with that. However the KDE took offense? I don't get it.
You won't be able to install KDE without root privilges. There are several binaries which need to be installed setuid root. They really really need to be setuid root. Really. :-)
--Skip
--- "Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"
-Monty Python
Surprising as it may be, that's the situation. --Skip
--- "Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"
-Monty Python
Factually incorrect and misleading: - A Qt developer license does NOT cost USD $3000, but USD $1200 out of the box. That is, without any volume discounts, which, AFAIK, are applied in increments of 5, 10, 20, etc. The real license cost per developer, in a large scale enterprise, would be close to $500 per developer, if not less. Sticker price never applies for enterprise licenses. Nice try, though. Have you considered working for Bill ? --Skip
--- "Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"
-Monty Python
Got a couple sys admins at work like that. It didnot stop me from compiling fvwm and installing my directory then using it as a window manager. Drop the attitude and listen to your users. They are the reason u r there.
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/latest/contrib/So laris/
:-(
This shows only precompiled KDE packages for Solaris 8. Users of Solaris 9 will have to compile their own. Seems like a lot of software doesn't even come pre-compiled for Solaris 9.
-Pete
It runs fine on Solaris 9. The missing things are XRandR, XRender, Xft/FreeType2 (which are not available on Solaris 8). I will start providing Solaris 9 packages starting with KDE 3.2. --Skip
--- "Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition"
-Monty Python
Just do a search for sunrpms on google.
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Prove it. Prove I'm a "known troll" (my karma is Excellent, by the way).
In other words, you disagree with my opinion, so you want people to mod me down.
Sorry, but it doesn't change my opinion of X and its users.
"Sufferin' succotash."
> TrollTech is also vulnerable to takeover by > companies hostile to Free software and good > corporate lawyers who can blow holes in the > laughable FreeQt agreements. Being bought out by Sun is a scary prospect indeed.
First off, Solaris 8 binaries will run perfectly well on Solaris 9, thats what binary compatability is all about!
Secondly, when you get the Solaris 9 media kit, there is a CD included with KDE on it, ready to install with a nice GUI install program (well, as nice as a java program can be!)
I'm running KDE 3.1.3 at work on Solaris 9 and it all works beautifully. Now, if only they wouldn't insist on using MS Exchange for email and suchlike, then I can get rid of the slow SunPCIii card!
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Trivial to prove. All one has to do is look at your imflammatory language and attitude to determine that you're a troll.
.sig line.
"Imflammatory?" Haha.
Which translates to: "I don't like your opinion, so I'm going to call it inflammatory. Sorry, imflammatory."
You even troll with your
How dare I criticize the two-party system in America. You got me.
You get a strange thrill out of people replying to your outrageous statements.
If that is true, why do you reply? Let me guess, you're "pointing it out for others," right? Haha.
In other words, you're a troll because you fit the definition of one. Not because people disagree with your "opinions" (which you like to bandy about as though they were facts).
In other words, stating my opinion means I'm bandying them around as facts. Guess what? The nature of having an opinion means that, yes, I consider them correct. Contratulations for being obvious!
Then again, even more damning are your own words [slashdot.org] (just a small sample).
The fact that you track past posts like some sort of stalker is the most frightening thing of all. Let's see more of these "samples." Oh, that's right, it was a dismissive statement meant to put the burden of work on someone else to actually come up with anything, because you couldn't do it.
If all you have to offer for your "evidence" is me criticizing someone for not paying attention, you're even more pathetic than I originally assumed.
Sorry, but the fact that you have excellent karma doesn't change the fact that you're a troll. You're just a bit more skilled at karma whoring than the average garden variety troll. Face it. You've been exposed. No one will ever take you seriously any more.
Yet I get modded up. What are you going to do? You're the guy who goes to my posts and says "KNOWN TROLL, MOD ACCORDINGLY," which is hilarious. They do that to everybody. Next.
"Sufferin' succotash."