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Cops, Wifi, Treasure Hunts, And More!

Rob Flickenger writes "This month's SeattleWireless TV show reveals how the Yakima County Police have built a wireless infrastructure using Cisco Aironet products. Utilizing omni and directional antennas, they cover 650 sq miles with just 8 access points. There is also a segment on the NzWireless group's wireless treasure hunt, where users roamed around the city plotting hidden access points set up for the hunt." Note the bittorrent link.

109 comments

  1. A treasure hunt with Wireless points as the target by SkArcher · · Score: 1

    You just want to be netrunners don't you?

    Only teh geeks...

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  2. Netrunner?..... hardly.. by Soulfarmer · · Score: 1

    I wish to remain stationary at least while I type...

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  3. hmmmm, where's the info... by H8X55 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was all I could find on http://www.co.yakima.wa.us is a dead link to Cisco from summer of 2001. http://www.co.yakima.wa.us/ts/news.htm

    1. Re:hmmmm, where's the info... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moron, this is your "broken" link:

      http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/witc/ao34 0a p/profiles/lnfyc_cp.pdf

      "Wireless Network Helps Yakima County Protect Community"

  4. Instant mod up by CompWerks · · Score: 1
    for the first person that posts a frikkin transcript.

    Our media player here at work is out of date apparently, as well is Real Player and the firewall blocks the bittorrent ports so no downloading there.

    Is there no justice in the world? I need to at least kill >1 hour when I first get to work!

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  5. Oh, i forgot, bring the phone! by H8X55 · · Score: 3, Funny

    When committing crimes in Yakama County, WA make sure to carry your 2.4GHz phone.

  6. donuts? by powlow · · Score: 4, Funny

    what do they use it for? to order donuts? handheld donut ordering device! brilliant!

    1. Re:donuts? by lithiumfox · · Score: 1

      if that is so, these police men will become fatter and lazier then ever before... they have reached a new low record.

  7. For use in catching criminals? by plinius · · Score: 1

    Why else would the cops make a network available, if not to catch roving laptop users who are doing "illegal" things? Not that the real crimes like bribing politicians ever get punished, but of course fighting real crime is not the COPS' jobs....grumble mutter...

    1. Re:For use in catching criminals? by freeefalln · · Score: 3, Informative

      if i understand your tone correct, then here goes. if not, then i apologize.

      if half of us slashdot readers knew exactly what cops go through day in and day out, we might respect them a little more. i've got two friends who are cops and the shit they have gone through while on their 12 hour shifts that rotate on a determined cycle. dont attack the enforcers, attack the lawmakers. they're just doing their job.

      and to answer your question, its a communications system. its my understanding that most police offices use cell networks to transmit and receive information to their in-car laptops, which costs money. this wifi setup is a major money saver. my only concern is network sniffing. very sensitive data is transmitted across those airwaves. i imagine its much harder to sniff out cell signals than wifi, as you can purchase wifi recievers very very cheap.

      if i have misinterpreted your comment, as it is easily done on message boards, my apologies. it's just that some people act like all cops are crooked and dishonest, and they are entirely mistaken.

    2. Re:For use in catching criminals? by Tassach · · Score: 1
      some people act like all cops are crooked and dishonest
      I have a lot of respect for cops -- I'm related to several. I'll agree that most cops are decent, hard-working folks doing a shitty job

      However, there are a significant number of cops who are crooked, dishonest, and/or lazy. Police Officers are given a huge amount of trust, power, and leeway. Some of them abuse thier position. Even otherwise honest and competent cops often feel as though they are above the law, and not without a certian amount of justification. Even when cops are caught breaking the law, they often get no more than a formal reprimand, whereas an average citizen who committed the same offense would go to jail. The concequences for abusing their power are miniscule compared to the amount of damage they can do. The police need to be held to a higher standard of conduc than the general public, and the concequences for misusing their power need to be severe and applied without exception. Until this happens, the police are like a half-wild guard dog: a useful protector, but all too likely to turn and bite those who they are supposed to protect.

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    3. Re:For use in catching criminals? by Chromium_One · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a resident of the Yakima area ...

      The last truly honest policeman that I personally knew got railroaded out of town.

      There may be others who aren't dirty, but I've yet to meet any of them.

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    4. Re:For use in catching criminals? by Chromium_One · · Score: 1

      (d'oh replying to my own post...)

      Should mention that it's the city police I've developed a poor attitude about. Not enough contact with county to develop an opinion as of yet.

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    5. Re:For use in catching criminals? by plinius · · Score: 1
      You sensed correctly, I have found cops irritating.

      I've seen cops lie to avoid being punished for doing illegal things.

      I've seen cops treat women badly; and non-white cops are often racist against white people.

      I've seen cops gleefully follow orders when the local power structure decides it's going to do unethical things in the open.

      Cops are not to be admired. They lie, they cheat, they victimize the powerless and they love, oh how they love, to serve whoever has power.

  8. Where is everyone this morning? by poeman · · Score: 1

    I thought I'd get great speeds using this torrent. Where is everyone? Here is the bittorrent link: A HREF="http://tv.seattlewireless.net/shows/December 2003.mpg.torrent">http://tv.seattlewireless.net/sh ows/December2003.mpg.torrent

  9. Quick! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Start a crime wave while the county is slashdotted!

  10. one section by mshultz · · Score: 1

    If my memory serves correctly here, 650 acres is just over a one square mile area. (640 acres is one section = square mile). That should give some frame of reference here- pretty impressive amount of coverage. (maybe they say this in the movie- BitTorrent is still doing its thing right now, so I can't tell just yet...)

    1. Re:one section by mshultz · · Score: 0

      nevermind- I'm an idiot- please ignore my previous post.

    2. Re:one section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that impressive in my opinion - we demonstrated an 11 Mb/s link at well over 100 miles using one omni directional antenna and 1 small parabolic antenna (and 2 80 watt linear amplifiers)

    3. Re:one section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you still under the FCC regulations at 2.80watts? You must have a HUGE cable run or a ton of inline connectors. The aironet 340 and 350 series bridges run at 100mw. I run (one of many) wireless networks in the Yakima valley. There is so much interference here we are lucky to get 15 miles out of our clients.

    4. Re:one section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not 2.80 watts, two 80 watts amplifiers, this was done under a special experimental FCC license. With 80 watts pumping into a directional antenna you can get some impressive performance - so much that the 802.11 card was specially modified to handle the delays you get becasue of the long distance between computers.

  11. Phased arrays for better range, density, security by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Informative

    The big problem with widely scattered access points is user density (you can't have too many simultaneous users with so few APs) and physical alignment of the directional antennas. But you can use phased array antenna technologies to simultaneously increase the range, number of users, and security of access point installations. By electronically forming a narrow beam, the range increases, interference is reduced, and interception is more difficult. As a side "benefit" a phased array antenna could be used to track the bearing angle to each user and create directional lockouts to prohibit parking lot war drivers.

    We've discussed this before here and here about products from Vivato.

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  12. Details? by Quixote · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Talk about being skimpy on the details. Why did /. accept this story?

    Assuming no overlap between the 8 base stations (i.e., maximal coverage), this works out to each AP having a range of 5 miles. That is a heck of a lot in an urban setting.

    I, for one, welc^H^H^H^H would love to know the technical details behind this.

    1. Re:Details? by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 1

      I seriously doubt that this design would offer "continous" coverage over 650 sqaure miles - as the parent post mentioned thats like a 5 mile range on each AP - to get that kind of range would require directional gain antennas AND/OR illegal linear power amplifiers - the multipath effects would be terrible in an urban environemnt especially at the overlap regions between AP's. And Lord help you if someone fires up a microwave oven or a cordless phone :-)

    2. Re:Details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the trick is to get off your trolling ass and Watch the video ;)

  13. Re:Phased arrays for better range, density, securi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey check out http://www.5gwireless.com/. These guys can make a 8 miles Non line of sight wireless network that runs 802.11b off of a single WAP and Antenna! WOW!

    Check out the Wireless network they are installing at Anderson School of Business on UCLA campus... http://www.5gwireless.com/company/pr_12_03_03.htm

  14. A cop.. by rhetoric · · Score: 1

    A cop who is watching porn and checking his email is a cop who is not paying attention to me. This could be good, and this could be bad...

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  15. Easy by sammyo · · Score: 1

    Easy in any given desolate arid desert. Really I'm not kidding, the eastern side of the'evergreen state' is flat flat flat, rural and dry. None of those pesky buildings, a few apple trees but no real hills even. Plains of Gondor folks. :-)

    1. Re:Easy by louissypher · · Score: 1

      You have obviously never been to Yakima county. The city of Yakima is flat, but we are talking about the county here. There are several bluffs ranges and canyons. I wouldn't call the area flat.

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    2. Re:Easy by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      Dude, It ain't that flat. Try moving a convoy over Umptanum ridge at the firing center.

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  16. Cisco Press Release by siamSam · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/witc/ao340a p/profiles/lnfyc_cp.htm

    Company Profile
    Wireless Network Helps
    Yakima County Protect Community
    The Lower Valley Wireless Public Safety Network, employing Cisco Aironet(R) technology, is giving law-enforcement agencies in Yakima County, Washington, a high-tech edge in crime prevention and resolution.

    Yakima County is the second-largest land area and the seventh-largest population area in Washington state. It ranks first in the nation in the number of fruit trees, was recently ranked the 25th most-livable city in the United States and has also been designated a high-impact drug trafficking area. That inauspicious development was, in part, behind the creation in 2000 of the Lower Valley Wireless Public Safety Network.

    The network consists of a series of antennas and radios arranged in a line-of-sight pattern that transmits and receives encrypted signals. These signals travel from the county courthouse in the city of Yakima southward through the Yakima Valley. The radio signals contain data from a central location that law-enforcement and public-safety agencies can access. This allows the agencies to share information and track lawbreakers throughout the lower valley in real time. The upper valley will be added to the network in the near future.

    With five backbone sites in place overlooking the valley, the network reaches police departments in six lower valley communities: Wapato, Toppenish, Zillah, Grandview, Sunnyside, and Granger. County offices of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) and the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) are also on the wireless network, and the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms are among several other law-enforcement agencies that have expressed interest.

    The network's nodes are linked via nearly 30 Cisco Aironet 340 Series wireless bridges. Designed to ensure high-speed, long-range point-to-point and point-to-multipoint wireless connections between Ethernet networks, these bridges are not deterred by physical barriers or inclement weather, making them ideal for the Pacific Northwest's weather and terrain. Direct sequence spread spectrum technology enables a data rate of 11 Mbps, comparable to that of Category 3 cable.

    High Costs Deflated Original Plan
    Yakima County Technology Services originally designed a frame-relay-based solution but found it would cost thousands of dollars per month, according to George Helton, Director of Technology Services. "Then we came up with a design operating in the 2.4 GHz band. We engineered a wireless network emanating from the Yakima courthouse and using point-to-point aerials and radios to reach 80 miles down the valley. This lets us deliver data to police and other law-enforcement agencies, and it preserves all those thousands of dollars we would otherwise be spending for data circuits," he said.

    "As we were implementing this, our radio engineer suggested that we could possibly make our data available to mobile users if we used an omni-antenna at each major backbone site. We did so and have created a wireless network where you can drive at 70 mph while still communicating on the network at 11 Mbps," Helton said. Officers can rapidly access traffic records, police files and other data through links with state and federal agencies. "We also are able to conduct video surveillance, hold network meetings, train Web cameras on officers during stops, and handle all sorts of data applications. The sky's the limit: Anything you can do in your office, you can do at your car."

    Access for Mobile Officers
    Not all law-enforcement agencies on the Lower Valley Wireless Public Safety Network have extended the wireless network to their vehicles. For some, the network is used exclusively for office work, but most plan to add vehicular capability eventually. Those who have made the network mobile did so by installing Cisco Aironet 340 Series wireless bridges in their patrol cars. The bridges allow officers to ac

    1. Re:Cisco Press Release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see so many people from Yakima are /.ers...

      Unfortunately this new wireless network, while helping the police in some of their work, does not bode well for the privacy and freedom of the local citizens. The local Yakima governmental agencies, elected officials and police department have not been shining examples of protectors of freedom or individual rights in the past few years. In fact there have been quite a few egregious violations of rights coming from various elected officials and agencies abusing their power and using the local police department, among others, to infringe upon the rights of individual citizens who they have a personal or departmental agenda against.

      A previous poster brought up the traffic light issue which is a good one to look at. At the beginning it was proported to be only at main intersections as some kind of deterrent against red light runners, which made it an issue about safety. But instead, now you can find the traffic light cameras at just about every single intersection with traffic lights. This along with the police and their evergrowing interest in traffic violations to rack up fines and increase funding coming in, are just a couple of examples of misuse of technology and power for agendas which do not best serve the public. But who paid for the new traffic light camera system again? That's right, the taxpayer.

      This new wireless network shouldn't be viewed as a positive thing, but with skepticism and mistrust. I don't see why this technology should be any different than any other when they place new power or possible avenues of abuse in the hands of governmental power.

      The city of Yakima would be far better served if Yakima Mayor Mary Place and her cronies were run out of office (or sent to prison), and some truly honest elected officials who respect the rights of the citizens were elected.

  17. this is not good by penguin7of9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WiFi was never intended to allow people to cover huge areas--there simply isn't the bandwidth allocation for it. It gets even worse when a small number of access points are used to cover a large area. If all police departments started doing this, you'd probably not be able to use WiFi for anything else anymore, or your WiFi nodes would interfere with police operations.

    Let's hope that this will cause the US government to release much larger chunks of spectrum for WiFi-like use, some regulated and some unregulated. And some bands should really be reserved for private use only--no businesses or government entities should be allowed to touch such parts of the spectrum for any purpose.

    1. Re:this is not good by peter-swntv · · Score: 1

      If you watched the segment, you would know that there is something called Project 25. http://www.tiaonline.org/standards/project_25/ It's a new spectrum allocation for Public Safety Data Networks. In talking to the folks in Yakima, they are mindful that they are using unregulated spectrum and act to be good citizens with the resources. Peter

  18. I live in Yakima... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    and frankly this scares the hell out of me.

    I have played with these. First of all, they are simply locked down so they will work with almost any Cisco MAC address. Other than that they are completely open.

    Once you connect to the AP, you can either telnet directly to the DB server and pull any records you wany, or you can connect to any other PD in Washington State (AFAIK). Atleast all the ones around here. It's basicly a huge private IP network using T1s, fractional T1s, and ISDN lines, all linking back to Olympia.

    Funniest part was when I got a call from the main office asking me to scan everything for viruses ASAP, since the windows-worm-of-the-week was making its rounds on the secure network.

    1. Re:I live in Yakima... by bentshaft · · Score: 1

      There is also a NetMotion Wireless VPN protecting all the traffic.

  19. Be Nice! Don't go to the yakima county website! by CodePoet82 · · Score: 2, Funny

    C'mon guys..... don't go to the Yakima County website! I need that bandwidth to keep surfing slashdot!

    Sincerly,
    The poor little sysadmin from their ISP.

  20. Mad Cow? by strtdusty · · Score: 0, Troll

    Is this going to help them track down all the mad cows?

  21. Yakima police. by mortalic · · Score: 1, Informative

    That's ok, I used to live in yakima, actually still live fairly close, I went back for the holiday's I noticed red light camera's all over the place too. There was a big controversy a while back when the ypd put two officers on duty strictly for traffic infractions. Their orders were to issue as many traffic citations as possible and nothing else, and now there are several more of them. Figure in the traffic cops, the redlight camera's, (revenue, and revenue) and then the wireless network either is for a new revenue scheme, or they couldnt' figure out what to blow all their money on. (my opinion at lease)

  22. Conspiracy theorists, don't fear by bonqers · · Score: 1

    heh, my cisco aironet service in Yakima thru a local isp was unreliable, slow and not ready for prime time. Let's hope the constabulary doesn't throw out those walkie talkies yet. And those cameras on the traffic lights - they are supposed to trigger the green/red cycle, but the locals all know how well they work (camera to light: here comes a car, shine red dude!).

  23. treasure hunts by ElliotLee · · Score: 1

    what's the 'treasure'?

  24. Life *can* suck, but... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...what happens to you as a result of that suckiness is largely a consequence of your responses to it. You can amplify or limit the suckiness. Or do nothing about it.

    The ball's in your court. It always is. Hit a few more practice shots and see what happens. You can never say you've truly failed unless there is no hope of ever trying again.

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