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N-Gage Opts To Give Away Lara, Not Bury Her

Thanks to Yahoo for reprinting a press release announcing Nokia has teamed up with Eidos to give away over 70,000 copies of the N-Gage version of Tomb Raider at this year's Sugar Bowl college football game. An Eidos spokesperson oddly opines: "Lara [Croft] has always been the number one video game heroine, and it's appropriate for her to be present at this year's Sugar Bowl where the national champion will be crowned", and insider suggestions that Nokia are pulling an Atari of sorts, in the face of allegedly limited demand for the N-Gage 'game deck' are, of course, fatuous. Meanwhile, GameSpy weighs in with some reasons to like the N-Gage, still suggesting: "Nokia's game deck has a lot going for it, and is in many ways superior to the system that has dominated the portable gaming market for over a decade: Nintendo's Game Boy (now Game Boy Advance)." Update: 01/02 16:46 GMT by S : According to a L.A Times/TribNet article, Tomb Raider on N-Gage sold around 3,000 copies in October, the last stats available to the reporter.

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  1. Kind of a dumb name. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 4, Funny

    They must be running out of good names for these products. When I first heard of N-Gage, I dismissed it as mispelling of something to do with N-guage model railroading. Now I know it is some sort of "cute" variation of the word Engage by way of "N'Sync".

    It's not quite as bad, however, as that new line of digital cameras called "Dimage". It makes you think of a combination of "Dim" and "Damage", neither of which sounds particularly good for a digital camera.

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    1. Re:Kind of a dumb name. by monkeyfinger · · Score: 1
      It's not quite as bad, however, as that new line of digital cameras called "Dimage". It makes you think of a combination of "Dim" and "Damage", neither of which sounds particularly good for a digital camera.

      To me Dimage sounded like a combination of dim and image. Definately a bad combination for a camera.

    2. Re:Kind of a dumb name. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you're after slightly better image quality, there's always Fujifilm's FinePix range.

      Not good, not bad, merely fine. Sounds pretty mediocre, to be honest...

  2. N-Gage... by LordYUK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been to EB games on no less than 10 occasions and tried to play the demo system that they have out(and not the same EB everytime either). Not once have I ever gotten a game to work on the damn thing. Its either stuck in some sort of limbo, or in some weird mode, or just plain off.

    Now, the GB SP that they display ALWAYS works, and requires no real thought to demo for 20 seconds.

    I dont want a handheld that has to be babysat to work. Chances are, if I'm on my GB, I am out and about, and catching 5 minutes of Mario or Pokemon or something. I dont want 3 of those minutes fumbling with the system trying to get it to work.

    Thats what I have a PC gaming rig for... :)

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    1. Re:N-Gage... by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Informative

      the demo systems use different version of the os apparently(customised so that the users can't fuck it up, while it seems that it has enough quirks to fuck up by itself.). so the demo systems make a crappy job of demoing the system.. which is a shame.

      series60 is a great phone-pda-mix-platform, and n-gage is the cheapest series60 phone(with the best placed controls for gaming) and it also has more ram than 3650/3660 making using opera on it more comfortable(3650 doesn't have enough mem to really browse with opera and keep an irc app open, ngage however does). also it makes changing from 3650/7650 to n-gage very easy(as the ui is already familiar as well are the apps available).

      red faction sucks balls though, i have to admit.. tony hawk on the other hand is great on n-gage(seems like a direct port of the psx version, I just managed to open roswell, I've managed to rack up quite big amounts of playtime on it during the holidays). mp3 playing isn't a bad extra(and aac/mp3/radio seem to use different chip/parts for audio output from regular audio playing from symbian apps that afaik only can do ~16khz, so mp3's come out at 44khz all the same on n-gage, there's a rumour of sorts that there will be a lite version without the mp3/radio chip soon).

      would I carry a gameboy around at all times, so that I'd have it in the bus/car/resteurant? nopes.. but I do carry my phone wherever I go, in it's price range n-gage is just unbeatable at the moment as far as multi use goes(and I got no quarrels about it's sidetalking, it goes quite well against my cheek and the buttons are available even while talking, for volume/etc). with gba you'd need to keep carrying around the charger as well(or use batteries, yuck, in addition to your gsm's charger), around here there are so many people with nokia chargers that if you're going to visit some relatives they will have a charger for nokias.

      the original gba was certainly miles worse than ngage is for gaming, the display was just too bad in the original gba(and one can have more opinions than one about the shoulder buttons on sp as well). the result is that theres thousands and thousands of people who have a gba in their drawer but they never use it for anything.

      the worst things about n-gage include that you can't supportedly copy multiple games on one cartridge, however that is a _very handy_ thing to do(even if you have to get cracks to do it). few games on one mmc along with several mp3's will keep you entertained a long way.

      gba can't possibly offer the things n-gage offers, it can offer you games but nothing more while n-gage offers you opera, irc and hundreds of other apps(sure, these have NO value whatsoever for the 12y boy playing pokemon on his gba but they aren't the intended audience anyways - even though some younger relatives of mine liked rayman 3 quite a bit). these 3rd party apps seem to have been the main selling point among the people I know who have gotten themselfs a n-gage.

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    2. Re:N-Gage... by Firehawke · · Score: 1

      Same experience here-- I've never managed to try out an N-Gage because I've never found a functional demo unit EVER. They're always crashed, totally unresponsive.

    3. Re:N-Gage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except I don't want opera, irc or those other apps. I want a portable gaming platform and the n-gage fails there. If I want those extra apps, I'll get a more portable phone that is designed to be a phone. Quite frankly for all you're describing I'd much rather buy a Sidekick but I don't want all of that. If I want to chat on IRC that's what my computer is for. N-Gage is a blatant failure for what it was meant to be and I wish people would admit to it without making excuses.

    4. Re:N-Gage... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      sidekick is so much less than series60 phones are.. on paper it has the same functions but it lacks the 3rd party - n-gage is ok as a phone.

      you don't have your computer with you on the bus(even if you have a laptop, it's quite uncomfortable to start using it on a bus - even then ngage is one of the cheapest phones with bluetooth that doesn't fail every few minutes).

      nokias marketing department could take some lessons though, they'd be making more inroads selling the ngage as a low cost 6600 replacement than as a gaming system.

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  3. Underrated, but off-topic? by AtariAmarok · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It might be underrated....but off topic? The N-gage is the subject.

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  4. always by LittleBigLui · · Score: 5, Funny
    Lara [Croft] has always been the number one video game heroine, ...


    So those of us who can't choose between creationism and darwinism now have another choice: The universe was created in 1996.
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    1. Re:always by joFFeman · · Score: 1

      in my opinion, that's beside the point- how dare they dismiss as second string jill of the jungle or the giana sisters? i'll play their games over the latest lara shovelware from eidos anyday.

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    2. Re:always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also don't count out Samas Aron.

      She's been around since the late 80's and even bares herself in her skives if you do well enough in the games.

      She'd also pulverize Lara and probably just throw her out an airlock, or feed her to a Metroid.

    3. Re:always by loser7punk · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but half the time they call her a "him". Being the number one video game heroine is difficult when people think you are a guy.

    4. Re:always by dswensen · · Score: 1

      I don't know, I think it fits. Half the girl gamers I know pose as guys when playing online. It's the only way they can get anything done without legions of nerds making clumsy passes at them.

    5. Re:always by BTWR · · Score: 1

      I say Samus Aran, the Metroid main character, is the coolest girl (or possibly girl-or-guy) heroine...

    6. Re:always by Recoil_42 · · Score: 1

      something far more interesting, to me, at least: on XBOX LIVE, in which the differing factor here is voice, most girl gamers surprisingly *don't* use voice masks. why? they want to let all the sexist gamers know that they just got your ass handed to them by a girl. works pretty well, i'd say... there was this one guy who kept making fun of one girl in the lobby, calling her "little girl" and such. she told him to go fuck himself, that he's just a poor lonely 40-yr. old fat loser who can't get a girl, and promptly owned him, and everyone else in the match, by an astouding number of frags. (she had like 35 kills, everyone else had 5-10) this was in ghost recon, btw... anyways, just wanted to share :)

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    7. Re:always by nifboy · · Score: 1

      Nonono, the choice is, "The universe was *never* created."

    8. Re:always by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1

      Definately. I mean... put Samus in a fight with Lara Croft... seriously...

      Yeah, I think we know who comes out on top. And it aint the busty bitch, it's the _armored_ bitch.

  5. yeah, but.... by cdneng2 · · Score: 0

    It sounds like they are giving away just the game itself. Who's going to end up playing it? What's everyone going to do, go out and buy the N-Gage hardware to play the game? It's a pretty inexpensive proposition for Nokia. The software and the memory chip is cheap.

  6. Some Reasons to Like the N-Gage by StingRayGun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some Reasons to Like the N-Gage

    1.) It looks like a taco when using it in Cell Phone mode.

    2.) You have to take out the batt. to replace games.

    3.) Nokia paid us tons of Euros to write this article!*

    Hey, there worth so much right now compared to our measly dollar, why not!

    1. Re:Some Reasons to Like the N-Gage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
      3.) Nokia paid us tons of Euros to write this article!

      You probably said that as a joke... but I'm looking at www.gamespy.com right now and all I see is a huge black Nokia interstital, then half thier homepage (above the fold) taken up with n-gage branding.

    2. Re:Some Reasons to Like the N-Gage by Spleener12 · · Score: 1
      Yeah. Remember when Ronald McDonald shitted on IGN (to quote Penny Arcade) a while back? Nokia did that with Gamespy, it looks like.

      Getting back to the article defending it- it doesn't matter how many good things there are about the N-Gage if there aren't any good games for it. If Nokia can get some decent games for the damn thing, people might stop making fun of it.

    3. Re:Some Reasons to Like the N-Gage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember when Ronald McDonald shitted on IGN

      I believe the correct term is 'shat'.

  7. Number one video game heroine? I think not! by gabraham · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "Lara [Croft] has always been the number one video game heroine, and it's appropriate for her to be present at this year's Sugar Bowl where the national champion will be crowned"

    I beg to differ: Samus (of the Metroid game series) has been around a lot longer than this goofball of a videogame heroine.

    1. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad someone agrees with me.

    2. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Fortunato_NC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but it's hard to masturbate when the object of your affection is covered by so much body armor. I think we're all aware of the fact that "number one video game heroine" is industry code for "number one character video game geeks imagine while jerking it".

      I guess that the reason people forget about Samus is that the Metroid games were for consoles, hence no, "Nude 'Troid" mods for Metroid.

      Of course, someone will prove me wrong and post a link to a modded Metroid where Samus is naked...

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    3. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Of course, someone will prove me wrong and post a link to a modded Metroid where Samus is naked..."

      Is that your way of subtely asking for one? ;)

    4. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Yorrike · · Score: 0, Troll
      Lara Croft is the #1 video game whore slut. She appears on every single new game platform, mainly because Eidos find it hard to sell a Tomb Raider game these days with any competition around.

      Lara, the sluttiest video game character around, now willing to spread for free.

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again, go away Eidos, no one cares what you think or do anymore. Maybe if you came up with something original once in a while people would be willing to give you a little respect.

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    5. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Mmm+coffee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed. I don't understand why Croft is held up as a great heroine in gaming when there are so many better female characters out there.

      Aran definitely takes the #1 spot. I remember spending countless hours getting lost in Metroid, and when I finally beat it my big bad bounty hunter turned out to be a woman! And this was back in the early days of the NES, which says a lot. Throughout the sequels you wern't thinking "mmm girly", but enjoyed the character as someone who could tear through a room full of enemies in no time flat. Samus isn't a fuck toy, she's a character you respect. (Besides, who would want to screw her? She'll screw you back, and I don't want to know what her screw attack could do to my apartment.)

      Another personal favorite is Rydia from Final Fantasy IV. For those who haven't played the game - In the beginning your main character unknowingly kills her single mother and ends up taking her with him on his journey to overthrow the most powerful nation in the world. During the game she grows up and shows an incredible amount of passion and empathy as you watch your party members die off one after another. ("Stop it! I've had enough! They're all dead! Dead! And here we stand bickering amongst ourselves?! Are their deaths for nothing?") She's a very powerful character that makes you fall in love with her emotionally. Plus she has the most powerful black and summon magic in the game, so she is far from a helpless little creature. She can deal out damage with the big boys. ;)

      Terra and Celes from FF6 (especially Celes)... Chun-Li from Street Fighter II, Sonya from Mortal Kombat... The list goes on and on of heroines that get your respect as characters who are more than pixels with tits.

      But hey, Laura Croft has breasts the size of watermelons so of course she's going to be the one that everybody talks about.

    6. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but if you talk brand recognition, Lara Croft is know by a lot more of people. Even people who don't play games know Lara Croft. As for Seamus Aran, the fact that she was almost never shown without her suit means that a lot of people don't see her as an heroine. Just as some dude in a suit.

    7. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by way2slo · · Score: 1
      "I guess that the reason people forget about Samus is that the Metroid games were for consoles, hence no, "Nude 'Troid" mods for Metroid"

      Actually, if you finished the original game fast enough Samus strips down to her bikini and you can play the game that way.

      If I remember correctly, this code will show her this way:

      justin bailey
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    8. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While she isn't nude the:

      JUSTIN BAILEY
      ------ ------

      Code has you playing her through the first game in her underwear. And this is with an unmodified original copy.

    9. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      "As for Seamus Aran, the fact that she was almost never shown without her suit means that a lot of people don't see her as an heroine."

      As, at the time, many people felt about Joan of Arc.

    10. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by DrDoombender · · Score: 1
      But hey, Laura Croft she has breasts the size of watermelons so of course she's going to be the one that everybody talks about.

      Well, in that case, we have Tifa (FF7), Kasumi (DOA series), Jill Valentine (Resident Evil), Ivy & Taki (Soul Calibur II)...etc...etc.. Oh and hey! Their games aren't buggy as heck, and do not play like train wrecks. In any case, Eidos can say what they like because I see them as a game company that only cares about $$$ and not its customers.

    11. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Impotent_Emperor · · Score: 1

      Well, to be fair, each breast isn't the size of a watermelon. Combined they are probably about the size of a single watermelon. Individually they are more like cantaloupes.

    12. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any female character that is featured in a game series where exaggerrated T&A physics effects (bouncing) is a MAIN draw does not qualify as a respectable character.

      That DQs Kasumi, despite her storyline, in the same way that it DQs Mai from KOF (although she is almost an isolated instance in that series).

    13. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by 0racle · · Score: 1

      Must have hurt to have your sence of humor removed.

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    14. Re:Number one video game heroine? I think not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You found humor in the grandparent post?

      Let me guess, you think clowns are funny too.

  8. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up

  9. Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Samus? Obscure second-string character who does not even headline the game. Even "Princess Peach" of the Mario series outdoes her.

    1. Re:Mod parent down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing "obscure" with "tasteful". Just because Samus actually wears clothes doesn't mean she's...

      Oh forget it, you're not even worth the time.

    2. Re:Mod parent down by gabraham · · Score: 1

      You are incorrect, sir. For one thing, some of the most hardcore of gamers grew up in the early NES days. The original Metroid bombed in Japan, but boomed in the USA. And while we're on that topic, did anyone catch the clip of Samus at E3 when they were showing off the Gamecube? The audience was cheering rather loudly... Anyone who did not have at least an SNES is either not old enough to have played many video games to make the call, or even care about the genre of Tomb Raider to have played it.

    3. Re:Mod parent down by joFFeman · · Score: 1

      "I think you're confusing "obscure" with "tasteful". Just because Samus actually wears clothes doesn't mean she's..."

      apparently you've never gotten the 'good ending' in metroid II...

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  10. Pity on poor Nokia? by antin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it just me, or does it seem that the big review sites (IGN, Gamespy and Gamespot) are beginning to pity Nokia just a little and are trying to say something or anything nice about the piece of junk?

    I remember IGN slammed the N-Gage after it was shown at E3, and wrote many articles about how badly designed it was, and how useless it was etc... and then a few months later they suddenly wrote an article in its defence, saying that "they aren't sure why everyone is giving it such a hard time" (forgetting that they gave it a harder time than anyone else).

    Now Gamespy is doing the same thing. Having said nothing nice about the system prior to release, or at release - they have suddenly written an article in its defence. And look at what they wrote - they say nothing about it having a good design (because it doesn't); or about it having good games (because they suck); or about being able to play it for longer than 2 hours (you cannot); or any of the other things that make a decent system.

    I just find it amusing that having witnessed how badly it flopped (as it deserved to) Gamespy and co are trying to soften its fall.

    1. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by blueZhift · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I think pity has little to do with the seemingly changed attitude at GameSpy and the like. Even to a casual observer, Nokia is spending a lot of money advertising on TV and all over the web, including on GameSpy. I'd like to think that advertising dollars don't affect editorial content, but that just isn't true most of the time.

      It'll be interesting to see if Nokia stays in the market and eventually improves the N-Gage. I can forgive a bunch of crappy first generation games, but you gotta get the console itself right! Other goofs aside, whoever decided to make changing cartridges so difficult in light of the GameBoy and every other handheld games console ever made should give back this year's bonus! (Aren't I nice and nonviolent, eh?)

      As for the Tomb Raider give away, hmmm, I'm guessing they'll have 35K of those left over or in the trash at the end of it. Afterall, would you take a game for a machine you aren't likely to go out and buy? And most people probably don't know anyone who does own one. Still, this may be less embarassing than a desert burial.

      I wonder how many people will go home and try to stick this thing in their kids' GameBoys?

    2. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by mrpuffypants · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Take one look at the sites for IGN and gamespy and you'll see exactly why they are being nice to the N-Gage now: ADVERTISING!!!

      Nokia's been running ads for the N-Gage pretty heavily on all the major gaming outlets and the money people probably whispered in some editor's ear that pissing off the people that pay for ads is a bad idea. Also, every single 'big' game site launched a N-Gage area on their respective sites. That doesn't just happen for every flash in the pan system or we'd be browsing the Gamespy Phantom section right next to the Xbox reviews. Nokia either twisted some arms or stuffed some wallets to get stuff like that done on a brand-new system that wasn't guaranteed to be huge (like the Xbox launch)

      I've begun to rely on what Gabe and Tycho and Penny Arcade say about games. Every single recommendation they've made has been correct (KOTOR and Prince of Persia come to mind). Also, back at E3 they trashed the shitty N-Gage and have been doing so ever since for a good reason: The Nokia N-Gage sucks shit!

    3. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      ..actually the whole series60 system is very easy to bash without using it for few weeks and the n-gage even easier system to bash without ever learning to use it. because the series60 system needs you to learn how to use it to take full advantage of it(like any ui&os), it takes time for your thought patterns to change that instead of firing 20 sms's you might just as well check on irc if you're buddies are online, or that while on the bus you might just as well check slashdots articles instead of just gazing at some babes boobs. I'd also think that it will take some time before you learn to leave the games running in the background if you got to fire off an sms or put the phone away for a while(multitasking is good, but it can take a while to learn how to use it effectively). all in all transition from a regular gsm phone to series60 is much like changing from c64 to pentium pc in terms of what you can do.

      however if you go a route of first having used 7650(realising that the lack of storage medium is what limits it), then 3650(and realising why mmc card slot is a good idea on it) and then n-gage(and realising why more ram is a good idea) it's not that big of a deal and you can start taking advantage of the full potential quite easily. and you could notice that developing n-gage itself can't have been too costly operation when it shares so much with 3650/7650(and that they got a shitload of money they're wondering what to do with, just sitting on it isn't going to help them). It's a great deal already(compared to what you must pay for 3660/7650/6600 for a taste of series60 goodness) at the price that it's selling at.. not to mention if/when the price drops more(a phone-sized device that you can develop your own stuff for, that already has putty ported to it, that has opera for under 200$ is a sweet deal). hell, it would be a great deal compared to the alternatives even if it didn't come with tony hawk.
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      well, nintendo has friends too in the industry. the original gba should have been thrown out of the window straight away and most of the gba's end up being paperweights just for the reason that it's impossible to play with it(because of the display being _so_ fucking bad), n-gage doesn't have such fatal flaws as that(if you don't count it being a bit more complex in using and possibilities, and thus aimed at entirely different market from gba).

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    4. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by ziggles · · Score: 1

      Gamespot hasn't done this.. Please don't put them in the same sentence as Gamespy and IGN.. ever. Unless that sentence is "Gamespot is in a league way way way way above Gamespy and IGN." :P

    5. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by Jeff+Reed · · Score: 1

      The N-Gage might well be a great phone/PDA. Unfortunetly, it's being marketed as a gaming system. And you know what? It fails as a gaming system. Tiny screen, crappy buttons, demo units that crash more often than my old Win98 box with serious hardware issues, and an incredible lack of good games.

      Meanwhile, my GBA has good controls, a nice, large screen (admittedly a bit dark, but it's not unviewable as many people claim), and a good library of games. And it costs less. Nintendo has the monopoly on portable gaming because the competition stinks, not because they've got industry friends doing them favors.

    6. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1
      3 words: They've been bought.

      Never trust reviews from a site that sells ads for the products that they review.

    7. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, Gamespot would never whore themselves out like this. They don't need to, since they make their money by automatically renewing subscribers' subscriptions without asking.

    8. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by Black+Hitler · · Score: 1
      Never trust reviews from a site that sells ads for the products that they review.
      i.e. every game site ever.
    9. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is less of a case of pity for Nokia than a case of pity for Mike Hawk.

      After receiving so many emails from good ol' Mike pleading for SOMEBODY to write something good about his favorite platform, they must have felt as if they had to write something positive just to keep Mr. Hawk from committing suicide.

    10. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by Babbster · · Score: 1

      To be fair to Gamespy (hard, I know, but bear with me), I've read all their N-Gage articles and, while they might indeed be written to complement/encourage advertising, they haven't gone over the edge in recommending the product. While it might seem kind of sad being satisfied with only faint praise for an system almost universally considered bad, I think it's the best we're going to get when content providers have to pay money (in bandwidth) every time someone comes to their site.

    11. Re:Pity on poor Nokia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, yr penny-arcade link... Tycho thinks he is gay, that's why he's crying!

  11. Enough Bashing Already by shagoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ok, I admit it, I own an N-Gage (though I admitted it in another thread already). Sure, it's not the perfect game platform nor a perfect phone. As game platform it's overpriced but for a super featured phone it's cheap. Getting a carrier unlocked GSM phone with the Nokia series 60 platform, full-on GPRS support, bluetooth and expandable memory is going to cost a whole lot more than the $299 retail on the N-Gage. At $199 with 3 games as it's currently priced at Gamestop the damned thing is a bargain even if you never open the games. Oh, did it get mentioned that the device is also an MP3 and AAC player. For those who care it's got an FM radio. More importantly it's got a speakerphone that works pretty well. It's also got support for all the whizzy midi and mp3 ringers you might care to load on it and a color screen for your favorite graphics.

    I'll grant that the taco like shape is weird, but it makes the phone wide enough that it can be held between ear and shoulder while fumbling for the headset. I don't know how it's going to shake out, but I think that the N-Gage is one of the most misunderstood products in recent memory, both by consumers and by the manufacturer's marketing department.

    The N-Gage is by no means a perfect device but for a fusion device with a few compromises it's not half bad.

    1. Re:Enough Bashing Already by XellDx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, sure. As a phone it works. As a game system its a joke. And Nokia is trying to sell a game system, not a phone.

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  12. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gamestop announces a sudden influx of 69,975 used copies of Tomb Raider for the N-Gage being traded in at their stores across the country.

    1. Re:In other news... by herrvinny · · Score: 1

      And the other 25 are burned ritualistically...

    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey now, be fair!

      35,000 copies will end up at EB

      35,000 copies will end up at Gamestop

      1,499 copies will be purchased and returned at the retail level

      1,500 copies will end up on ebay

      2,000 copies will not leave retail store shelves, until they are sold en masse to liquidators, who will turn around and sell them to metal recyclers/scavengers

      Hmmm, that adds up to more than 70,000. That's the whole production run minus Mike Hawk's purchase, you say? Interesting!

  13. A heroine we all know and love without by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    showing off her ass? There is some shred of decency in the gaming public. For this I applaud.

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  14. I liked it better... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

    in the form factor of the Siemens S60. You know, where the keyguard slides off to one side and becomes two handed, with the screen in the middle. If they took that design, and made it so that it functioned primarily as a phone in the "compact" mode, and as the gaming system, webbrowser/email tool in the "open" mode, that would prompt me to go get one.

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  15. convergence of devices by aliens · · Score: 1

    What the N-Gage is good at is being the first of do everything devices.

    Unfortunately it's too early for this to be done properly with a phone. The zodiac does a better job without the phone features. It marries, a PDA and a game console fairly well.

    In a few years, if they can continue to shrink the size of components we'll see a successful N-Gage 2.

    With only 2 hours of battery life for a game, it's not exactly something you'll want to be playing on train rides to work if you need the battery for the rest of the day for important stuff.

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  16. It's the monthly fee dammit! by Mean_Nishka · · Score: 2, Insightful
    With the handheld game market being mostly kids, I am not surprised N-Gage has failed. Who wants to pay a monthly fee for a game machine? Sure you get phone service with it, but it's priced well beyond most mobile phones a parent would purchase for a kid. Not to mention the fact that the kids who do have phones are typically under contract and in 'family share' plans that don't easily allow for cutting a phone loose.

    To make matters even more difficult for success: There is no CDMA version available!! Say what you want about CDMA but the two largest carriers with the most customers (Sprint and Verizon) use it. Nokia immediately severed millions of customers because the system won't work on the biggest networks.

    1. Re:It's the monthly fee dammit! by GregWebb · · Score: 2, Informative

      * Nokia are a European company
      * Europe uses GSM _exclusively_
      * The EU has a larger population than the USA and much higher cellphone coverage
      * Over here we have 'pay as you go' plans - no monthly fees, just pay for the calls. Sure, the call charges are higher, but it's definitely better for light users and very easy for parents to control what their kids can spend. We also don't have to pay to receive calls.

      IMO it's a silly idea because it's a ropey form factor for a console and has a significantly higher cost than a GBA SP and an average kid-spec phone like a Nokia 3310. Doesn't help that you have to remove batteries to change games or that the GBA was already there with a much bigger library, but I reckon the first two would kill it anyway.

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  17. True 3D graphics by chrismcdirty · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gamespy mentions one reason to like the system is true 3D graphics, while the Gameboy only does isometric.

    1. Doesn't the Gameboy have some very primitive true 3D shooters, like Ecks vs. Sever and some other FPS? And Iridion 3D?

    2. Who wants true 3D when it is sub-Playstation/N64 quality? Wooo! I can play the original Star Fox in all it's non-textured, 20-polygon glory! [not to say Star Fox wasn't a great game, but the graphics were bad]

    And for those of you tired of advertisers stuffing money in pockets for good reviews and editorials, check out Penny Arcade and 1UP.com's editor Ivan Sulic. Gabe and Tycho stick to their guns, and Ivan seems to stick to his, also. When he doesn't like a game, he lets everyone know, even if the game is popular and reviewed well by the sites getting advertising dollars.

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    1. Re:True 3D graphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      1. Doesn't the Gameboy have some very primitive true 3D shooters, like Ecks vs. Sever and some other FPS? And Iridion 3D?
      Neither of those games come even close to true 3D. Iridion 3D uses 2D sprites and backgrounds with a few true 3D effects here and there. Ecks vs. Sever has no true 3D at all from what I can tell (it's all Doom/Duke Nukem-style pseudo-3D). There are GBA games with true 3D elements (Max Payne has polygonal characters, V-Rally 3 has 3D backgrounds but sprite-based cars) but I don't believe any commercially released titles to date are "true 3D" to the same degree Tony Hawk and Tomb Raider are (although there are some homebrew titles that fit the bill, and Payback looks to be true 3D, although it hasn't been released yet).
    2. Re:True 3D graphics by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      Even if the graphics were sharp, the plain fact is that it's hard to really "see" the 3D depth in such a tiny screen.

      You're just given such a small viewport that you can't pick out things in the scene that you could on a much larger screen.

      I think the idea of 3D gaming on a 2-4" screen should really be abandoned. 2D gaming, however, thrives there. Who wants to play a rough approximation of 3D gaming instead of a great 2D game? More visual complexity requires better viewing, and 3D is visual complexity that just exceeds what is reasonable to display on a small screen.

      I hope to see 2D gaming continue to stay strong on portable platforms for many years to come. I think 2D's general simplicity in play also bodes well for portable devices, where you want to be able to pick something up for a 15 minute wait in line.

    3. Re:True 3D graphics by loyoyo · · Score: 1

      Neither GameBoy Advance nor the N-Gage have hardware accelerated 3D graphics. 3D effects in games for both systems use software emulation. GBA developers use proprietary 3D software emulation while N-Gage developers use emulation provided by Fathammer. The Sony PSP will have true hardware accelerated 3D graphics at least as good as PlayStation and the Zodiac has 3D hardware acceleration NOW.

  18. It's like yellow journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy a full page ad, get a front page story.

  19. Pity... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    ... that they have sold only 1000 of those things...

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  20. Samus Aran by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, but it's hard to masturbate when the object of your affection is covered by so much body armor.

    Kinky!
    But seriously, in the original 8bit game, if you finished it 3 times (keeping the same password legacy) you got to see her without her armor (green hair, brown bathingsuit...she keeps the gun arm), and then you get to play with her like that.

    And in the SuperNes version, if you got a good time/gatherhunt rating, she took off (well, it just waved away) the armor and now wore a sexy black underware-swimsuit thing...

    But yeah, Lara was the most "jerked-to" character (not speaking from personal experience mind you : )

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    1. Re:Samus Aran by edwdig · · Score: 1

      But seriously, in the original 8bit game, if you finished it 3 times (keeping the same password legacy) you got to see her without her armor (green hair, brown bathingsuit...she keeps the gun arm), and then you get to play with her like that.

      That was just based on time. Beat the game fast enough and you get the ending with Samus in a one piece swimsuit. Then start a new game and you'll play as Samus in the swimsuit. Beat the game again, and you see Samus in a bikini. The bikini ending may be time dependent also.

      The best ending in the SNES version is beat the game in under 3 hours. For the GBA one, under 2 hours with 100%.

  21. +1 [naive] by imr · · Score: 1

    It's probably a coincidence that when i hit gamespy.com right after reading your post, i see a big ad for the ngage on their front page?
    Yes, it's most probably their good heart that make them pity the ngage. It's just funny they didnt have one when they bashed it.

  22. Just Part of the Package by illuminata · · Score: 1

    Nokia is just marketing the game, that's all. Each player in the Nokia Sugar Bowl is also receiving an N-Gage as part of their gift bag.

    The author of that article, Darren Rovell, was doing a sports business segment on ESPNews talking about how he thought that the N-Gage was the best gift to get out of all the bowl games. He also speaks nicely of it in that article as well. He's their business guy and he didn't seem to have a damn clue about just how bad the device was or how poorly it was selling.

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  23. As an N-Gage owner... by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...anyone who doesn't own one can leave their negative comments at home. It's a superb phone and a pretty decent portable platform for game emulation. I bought a web browser for mine a couple of days back, I've got an ssh client for server maintenance on the fly and this afternoon at around 3-ish I'll be watching the Paris-Dakar rally on it. Other highlights include an Ogg Vorbis player that I use to listen to Retro Gaming Radio and to fit all this on the phone, along with commercial, shareware and freeware games and old-school demos, it even supports an application packer, currently scoring me an extra 20-something MB of space between the 4MB built-in and the 128MB MMC card.

    The only thing it needs desperately is a Bluetooth keyboard.

    1. Re:As an N-Gage owner... by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      anyone who doesn't own one can leave their negative comments at home

      That offer went out the window when Nokia called all of us Gameboy owners childish.

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  24. Its simply not going to make it cause of GSM by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

    CDMA rules here, Verizon did good to see to that. While certian areas have a few more of one other service carrier than another (especially your major metro areas) Verizon owns more than half the cellphone market here. If your stuff doesnt work with their stuff, your screwed. What WOULD help Nokia out would be to take Motorola's philosophy on the situation and make a phone that works on all of them (like the v60, or t720 which has a version for every major carrier) THEN the n gage might have a chance. I for one am not going to buy a 200 game system if one of its features (the cellphone part) CANT be used on my carrier.

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  25. At the Superbowl huh? by NeoTheOne · · Score: 1

    Someone decided to take E-Trade up on their question "Well, we just wasted two million dollars...what are you doing with your money?" Apparently trying to convince 70000 drunk jocks to use one of those "De-jit-tal di-vices"....

  26. Completely serious by _Sexy_Pants_ · · Score: 1

    Has the NGage sold anywhere near that many systems? I thought there were only about 5,000 on its launch. Of course, I didn't RTFA

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  27. Don't blame the ngage for tomb raider sucking by rwrife · · Score: 1

    I've got both and NGage and Tomb Raider....and tomb raider sucks just like I remembered it did many many years ago when it was first released. I don't think it's the NGage that is causing the game to suck....I'm pretty sure it's just the game.

  28. Is it just me? by lasmith05 · · Score: 1

    Or does it seem like the N-gage is some mythological electronic item that everyone is talking / bitching about, but no one has it, or its not available in a store to demo? With all of the press i'd like to try it out, but I never see it anywhere working.

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  29. So, do we know how the event went? by Kris_J · · Score: 1

    Did anyone here go to the Sugar Bowl? Reactions? Were the bins filled with Tomb Raider on the way out? Anyone?