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CD Copy Protection Case Goes to Court

grungie writes "From The Register: Belgian consumer watchdog Test-Achats (Test Aankoop), known for its crusade against Nokia's "unsafe batteries", starts the new year with a fresh assault on the music industry. It is taking the music giants EMI, Sony, BMG Music and Universal Music to court for installing anti-piracy systems on their audio CDs. This is excellent news! I was less than happy when I had to use cdparanoia to add The Foo Fighters' latest to my iTunes collection. I used to live in Belgium: Test Achat is serious about the protection of consumer rights. Let's hope other countries follow suit." You can read the stories in French as well as Dutch.

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  1. Go Belgium! (I hope this happens here as well) by tuxette · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I can see the same thing happening in Norway, as a lot of people are very upset about so-called copy protection disallowing the consumer to play their CDs in any old player or on the computer. Forcing a consumer to play their legally-owned CDs on "approved" players is in violation of Norwegian law. Furthermore, tiny print saying "copy protected" in any other language than Norwegian is also against the law.

    Already as early as 2002, EFN (Norway's version of EFF) has launched campaigns against the purchase of certain types of CDs as well as offering assistance in pressing charges against record producers whose CDs damage CD and/or DVD players or computers.

    By the way, the verdict against DVD-Jon is NOT going to be appealed!

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    1. Re:Go Belgium! (I hope this happens here as well) by pvt_medic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I say good for those countries, Here in the US, we are less fortunate. Theses companies are full of ULA and all sorts of legal mumble jumble that protect them and let them do what ever they want.

      Hopefully people in this country will eventually join up in a large enough grouping and say enough is enough. Its really pathetic when you have organizations that tell you how to do things and we just bow our heads and go ok... we surrender.

      Now of course before this gets replied to a million times, these comments refer to the general public and not exactly the community that will be reading this.

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    2. Re:Go Belgium! (I hope this happens here as well) by -noefordeg- · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "By the way, the verdict against DVD-Jon is NOT going to be appealed!"

      I don't see how this is such a good thing. Wouldn't be better to see the corporations be trashed in High Court instead of now, just letting if pass, ready to be picked up with someone else and at a more convenient time.

    3. Re:Go Belgium! (I hope this happens here as well) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is because corporations pay the puppets we call elected officials to pass whatever laws they want. This is called a "lobby". Lobbyists grease everyone up.

      I am sure Norway will get there one day. Corruption is multilingual.

      l8,
      AC

  2. Don't like it... by Sarojin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    don't buy it.

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    1. Re:Don't like it... by squaretorus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Easier said than done.

      Me: Is this Kings of Leon CD copy protected?
      Shop: Yeah - it wont play on a PC
      Me: Shit - got anything that will?
      Shop: White Stripes will play - CD is even white like the KoL one
      Me: That'll have to do then
      Shop: White Stripes are shit though - but hey - at least it'll play!
      Me: Yeah - lifes a bitch

    2. Re:Don't like it... by theLOUDroom · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's more serious than that.

      Technically these "CDs" are NOT actual CDs. They do not conform to red book standards. Philips is not happy about this.

      This is like me going to an auto parts store and buying pre-mixed antifreeze, then finding out that it's just plain water. Sure it will work okay in some instances, but it's not what it was advertised to be and it's inferior.

      The should be able to copy-protect their discs all they want, but they should be called something other than "compact discs". They are deliberately misleading the consumer about what they are buying.

      Wouldn't you be pissed if:
      1. You bought a "CD", brought it home and it didn't work.
      2. You returned it, got another one and it didn't work.
      3. You went back to the store and they told you that they will not give refunds on opened CDs, DVDs, games, etc.

        You just spend fifteen buck on something that wasn't what they said it was, doesn't work, and the store is refusing to take it back!
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  3. Probability of Success? by LordoftheFrings · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I entirely agree with the cause that is being supported, but to be honest, who really thinks that this legal battle will be won by the underdog? The Big 5 record companies have practically unlimited funds, and the recent RIAA suing campaign shows that they aren't afraid to use it the most brutal way they can. What chances does a small albeit well-known group have against them?

    1. Re:Probability of Success? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In Europe, legal outcome isn't determined by the amount of funds...

  4. Double Edged Sword by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The trouble is, if we rightfully boycott a poor and intentionally crippled product, the record companies will blame their declining sales on P2P networks. The government will then step in to provide them a corporate crutch and start putting people using the future of media distribution in jail.

    It's an ugly situation. The best thing we can do is help indy music sales and make sure they report their numbers. We need to make it clear that the sales of the Big Five are declining while others are increasing. Maybe the government will notice the signifigance of that.

    Then again, maybe not.

    1. Re:Double Edged Sword by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The trouble is, if we rightfully boycott a poor and intentionally crippled product, the record companies will blame their declining sales on P2P networks. The government will then step in to provide them a corporate crutch and start putting people using the future of media distribution in jail.

      Then the best thing we can do is boycott P2P networks and help them get banned so that the RIAA can't use them as a crutch in their fight against declining music sales. As it is they have a very good argument. I, personally, haven't bought any music since the 1990's and download any songs from Kazaa that catch my ear on the radio. If Kazaa and others were gone I would probably be forced to buy the music instead.

  5. Why are you people STILL buying CDs? by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, it's been said before, I'll say it again now, and I'll continue to say it until things change.

    Stop purchasing industry CDs!

    Your purchase of music released on a label affiliated with the RIAA indirectly supports these efforts which most of you agree is capricious, unfair, predatory and illegal. And yet all I see are a bunch of people who complain about copy protection, the myriad subpoenas being sent by the RIAA standing in line down at the local Best Buy (which is another evil altogether) because they have to have the new friggin' Puddle Of Mudd (or is that Dumm?) CD.

    If you really want to send the industry a message, don't buy CDs on labels that are part of the RIAA. Look at places like CD Baby, which are not affiliated with the RIAA, offer 2-minute high-quality preview of many of the songs on each CD, sell non copy-protected CDs, and offer all the rights that you should expect in your CDs. Yes, you can rip the CD and download it to your MP3 player, and no one is going to come and hunt you down like the dog you are merely for exercising your fair use rights.

    It really is going to take a big effort on all our parts to get this message out. But while people mindlessly go down to the local box retailer to buy another copy protected CD from some industry teat-sucking band, you're really not helping things.

    I noticed it was a Foo Fighters' CD that the story poster bought. How about, 'It's times like these you need to think again...'?

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  6. Installing software by quantum+bit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Didn't some of those "copy-protected" CDs supposedly try to install drivers on Win32-based platforms that prevent you from ripping certain CDs?

    Granted, the user shouldn't be running under an admin account (or get infected with all sorts of random crapware), but still. If that's the case I'd like to see them get smacked down for installing software without the user's consent...

  7. "Consumers" should have no rights. by dada21 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everyone should have equal rights which are based almost exclusively on the right to private property and the right to protect it.

    The physical music medium is something owned by someone else. You have been loaned that medium in order to listen to that music. How is this so difficult?

    Laws are not needed to "protect" consumers or businesses. Natural law says that if I own a lawnmower and loan it to you under a contract, you have to return it to me.

    If you don't like my contract, don't use my lawnmower. The same is true about music.

    1. Re:"Consumers" should have no rights. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wow....get a clue.

      So how is buying a CD different than buying a book? Can the publisher DEMAND I return the book at any time, and that I cannot sell it because I do not own the pages.

      Saying that I have purchased a license of the story to read, but not the book, is pretty far-fetched.

      If I have only purchased a license, then they better damn well replace it for free if I lose it, or it gets wet, or the CD gets scratched.

      I mean, come on...if you have a CD which you have purchased and lost AND ept a receipt for...do you think the media will be replaced for free?

  8. if it runs in a CD player by auzy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    u can run it on computer for sure.. Its pretty futile for them to even try, because the moment one person cracks it, it hits P2P, and all the ppl who weren't going to buy it anyway, are going to d/l it then... its completely pointless.. Only annoys the ppl who bought it

  9. Piracy Vs. iPods by iainl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since the iPod was this Christmas's "must have" item, and continues to get massive publicity along with selling as fast as they can make the things, I have to wonder:

    How much longer will it be before a 'copy-protection' scheme that effectively stops you making any sales to iPod (or similiar) owners harms sales more than the increased level of copying that supposedly happens with non-protected CDs?

    When you factor in that its going to be the people most into music who are prepared to shell out for devices like this, these "copy protections" have to be be at best of dubious value.

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  10. "Consumers" should have no rights. by nuggz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The physical music medium is something owned by someone else

    No, I own the physical medium.
    I bought it, I did not license it.
    If I take it from a store without paying, they claim it is theft, not a license violation.

  11. Re:Press releases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Belgium is a small country, so what impact is this likely to have on major record labels?

    Belgium are right at the centre of the European Union. There's probably some way to fast-track the Belgian legislation for the rest of Europe. Then the labels will take notice.

  12. Re:About the Nokia battery test by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well, nokia is in the clear, the retailers who didn't check where their supply was coming from aren't.

    a lot of piracy is such, brand piracy(making a product similar to a brand product cheaply and then selling it off with the brand products reputation, adidas, nike & all suffer from this). most of the piracy products caught in Finnish-Russian border for example are such(video game controllers, caps, jeans, tobacco..) products - products that would be legal if they weren't branded as some big companys products when they aren't(certifications aside). this is among the most dangerous piracy as well as the products sometimes aren't even safe..

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  13. i call BS by koekepeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so you disagree with the system, and create an alternative, and expect the rest of the world to agree with that?

    i happen to like some of the "industry teat-sucking bands"! in your scheme i'm not allowed to support them out of idealism?

    i agree that the system sucks. but i like music, not only indie music.

  14. Selling CD's that can't be played... by zin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..thats sure to increase CD sales and profits. How many people rip cd's and put then on their I-POD like devices or into mp3 format. I take my CD's and rip them to an MP3 CD so I can make my in-dash player like a 10 cd changer. I don't even own a "Disc Man" or a typical CD player.

    Silly gooses, how long until they realize they need to change their business model for the times.

    ZiN

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  15. "Enough is enough"? by Androgynous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only way to let the record companies know "enough is enough" is to stop buying any of their CDs. This means copy-protected ones and, if it persists, just stop buying any CD at all.

    I mean, it's not the end of the world if you do not have the latest Foo Fighters so speak with the almighty dollar because in the end that is all that will work with these guys. Curbing your spending will lead to a sales dip as they release these copy-protected CDs and, as everyone becomes accustomed, sales will eventually return close or above to their previous levels. The record companies outlined this happening already. They outline all these possible scenarios when releasing new technology that affects the consumer. They're not stupid.

    So bite the bullet and stop buying. I did.

    I'm personally back on the wagon regarding going to movie theaters. I'm sick of the garbage put out but started going to the Matrix and Lord of the Ring movies. Now that they're finished the theaters will not get a dime of my money for some mediocre crap. I went 2 years without going to a theater last time around and will go longer this time. Opportunistic movie executives will probably blame the dip on P2P.

    1. Re:"Enough is enough"? by Monkelectric · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Guess what, I haven't bought any RIAA cds in years. And they're still going strong :) It's not socially and technologically aware 20 somethings who are supporting the RIAA and MPAA. It's the sheeple 18 and under crowd.

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  16. , or buy them used. by CarrionBird · · Score: 3, Insightful
    People often overlook this option, even though there are still usually at least one good store in most areas that deals in used music.

    That way you can actually pay for your goods, yet still not give a red cent of your money to the label.

    The band/artist does not get any either, but that's no different than buying new anyway.

    This is, of course, assuming that your goal is to not reward the RIAA, yet still buy music honestly.

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  17. you should always use cdparanoia by treat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You should always use cdparanoia. Otherwise you are left with undetected errors. All other rippers cause errors except in ideal circumstances.

    1. Re:you should always use cdparanoia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Too late, slashdot has spoken. He advocated the official slashdot-chosen software, and gotted modded through the roof.

      Never mind that nothing he said is verifiably true, or even backed up with a link. "you are left with undetected errors" - what a crock of shit. But he said cdparanoia was perfect, and that's good enough for slashdot. Fuck, this moderation system makes me sick sometimes.