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BSDVault Interviews Rick Collette of EkkoBSD
An anonymous reader writes "BSDVault has interviewed Rick Collette of the EkkoBSD project. Among other things they discuss project goals and roadmap for this new distro."
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ekkoBSD is OpenBSD with an as yet unwritten web front end to the config files.
Good luck to them but I can't help thinking
"quick, set up a bit torrent mirror before it gets
There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
This has got to be the least-cared-about story on Slashdot, ever. =)
From the neglected-to-be-mentioned web site:
What is it?
The goal of the ekkoBSD project is to provide a safe, secure, and simple to administer network operating system. This will be accomplished in a democratic manner, with a well-defined hierarchy, and an eye towards new ways of thinking.
The Operating System
ekkoBSD as a core OS offers security, stability, and flexibility to your infrastructure. As a default installation, ekkoBSD gives you an E-Mail server, Web Server, ssh, and several other services that would normally need to be added and secured.
Single Servers
A concept that has been with ekkoBSD since it's beginning are the implementations of "Single Servers". These are much like the single-floppy firewalls, rescue discs, etc. found within PicoBSD. ekkoBSD/TF is a single server example of a transparent nat firewall on a single floppy, hard disk, or CD.
So FreeBSD is good enough for Apple to sync to (or plain old "steal" the code as a GPL zealot would say), but NOT good enough to be bothered to have DarwinStreamingServer supported in ports, a working binary, or even working Install scripts.
Way to go Apple! Your lack of support for the VERY codebase you take benefit from just shows how the long term prospect for FreeBSD is.
Of course, Linux benefits from BSD sources as well. Too bad Linux developers steal BSD code all the time. You'd think in the spirit of open source and freedom, they would contribute back?
You can't "steal" BSD code.
BSD lusers are the ones complaining about GPL being too restrictive and tout their "superiour" license but cry foul when someone wants to incorporate, legally, *BSD code into GPL projects.
It always helps when you use something newer than 4.3 on Lites. Cheers!
On the more serious side, there could be a few reasons (likely a combination). Your disk could be slow, dying, or both. You partitioned stupidly, or at least in a way that is not as good as it could be. Your filesystem could be mounted with the wrong options (perhaps a bug in the installer?). You might want to patch for softupdates in your filesystem (you are using a BSD UFS right?), or enable it because it is likely there.
You also might want to check for resource utilization. Most BSD-based systems that aren't brand-spankin'-new have low default values for MAXUSERS and other kernel variables that can dramatically affect system performance. Newer versions of FreeBSD detect your memory size at boot-time and set this for you, but others you may have to edit your kernel config and recompile.
For the record, I have never seen a BSD (Free, Net, Open, 4.4 on Lites) machine transfer a file that slow unless the disk is bad or I fucked up a config. For more information, I suggest reading the tuning manpage (www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi if you aren't on bsd now) and reading the freebsd handbook (www.freebsd.org). If you're using an older copy of BSD, you also might want to upgrade to a newer copy.
Brandon
This is a rehash of an old Apple troll. Mod down accordingly.
I see that anti-BSD posts are being modded down - as they should be.
My post is in NO way anti-bsd. I simply quoted the site for the EkkoBSD Project. Seriously. Read it. I think people assumed it was a troll because of the length and the use of bold letters. Sorry if I confused anyone! I use FreeBSD and OpenBSD all the time
But why is someone with the username of gnu-sucks (the parent poster) modded up?
My username defines my opinion of the GNU GPL. By the way, all BSD operating systems (except gnudarwin) are licensed under the BSD license - and thats one thing I like about BSD. Its not GNU.
Honest, I mean good here people! And I'm glad someone finally noticed my username... Linux is great, btw, I just prefer BSDs, and I find the BSD license much more commercially successful.
A pleasant evening to you all.
You can't "steal" BSD code.
/. link in the parent) is that also 'crying foul'?
Sure you can.
Removal of the copyright notice is one way. Claiming the code is your own is another. A violation of the licensing terms would be a 3rd.
cry foul when someone wants to incorporate, legally, *BSD code into GPL projects.
And removal of the copyright notice would be ILLEGAL use. If you don't want to call that 'steal'ing, fine. Are you also going to claim when BSD code is used ILLEAGALLY and such is brought up (like the
The parent of this 'thread' does bring up the interesting point that Apple is 'blowing off FreeBSD' when it comes to their StreamingServer and would rather see the code running on Mac OS X, Windows, Linux and even Solaris rather than FreeBSD. Apple is WELL within their rights to take such actions. But, given Apple otherwise uses the developments of FreeBSD to move their Mac OS forward, to then snub the same codebase won't help in the long term.
Sure you can.
/. link in the parent) is that also 'crying foul'?
Removal of the copyright notice is one way. Claiming the code is your own is another. A violation of the licensing terms would be a 3rd.
You cannot "steal" bits and bytes. Software does not exist in physical form.
Are you also going to claim when BSD code is used ILLEAGALLY and such is brought up (like the
The code was not used illegaly. It was a bunch of *BSD extremists who did not like to see legal use of their code in a competing project.
Apple is WELL within their rights to take such actions. But, given Apple otherwise uses the developments of FreeBSD to move their Mac OS forward, to then snub the same codebase won't help in the long term.
Of course, because *BSD trolls love to lump in Mac OS numbers with *BSD numbes.
The criticism stops when it helps the *BSD community.
Thats fine. You should be allowed to have your opinions. But the problem is that the moderation here is one-sided and penalizes anyone who criticizes BSD but has no problem with people who bash Linux. Therefore the hypocrisy in the moderation going on around here.
I'm sorry you feel that way - I'm a fair moderator, and I don't specifically mod down posts due to which unix the poster prefers or dislikes. I don't see the hypocrisy in moderation - the same diverse group that posts to slashdot (minus the trolls and the anonymous cowards) gets to moderate the discussions. If you feel this is unfair, as all the moderators have different opinions, I suppose its your right to feel that way.
BTW, most of the posts on slashdot critical of BSD are automatically posted by various slashdot bots. They're the same post EVERY TIME. Some of them are years old.
As for linux bashing, its rare. Most people here don't even see a difference between linux and open source. Notice the posts about KDE's new file i/o interface. It was posted as "something new for linux" (or something similar). Nobody even assumed it might work on a more popular unix-like system, such as Mac OS X.
Anyway, if you don't like the moderation, stop posting anonymously, and maybe you'll be moderating soon. The system is only as perfect as its participants.
Losing JKH from -core was to say the least, unsavory, yet you think FreeBSD is dependant on 1 or 2 members of the -core team? I mean... come on, seriously? If FreeBSD is "dead" because of a 'decline in market share' or due to losing a member or two of the core team, you're just sadly mistaken. To play devil's advocate: Let's assume you're correct, and we lose half our user base. What a pity! /*sarcasm*/ Regardless, we'll continue to hack away, we really don't care - and our success is NOT measured by how many use our "Product." If that were the case around the board, Linux might as well be refered to as "dead", since Microsoft reigns supreme, still.
.. I think I might know why *BSD trolling has seen a sharp increase in the last 6+ months or so, Hmm, gee..
I quote:
Seven of the top nine sites run on FreeBSD. The exceptions are Datapipe, which is doing a fine job of promoting the reliability of Windows 2003, and German hosting company komplex.net which runs on Linux.
Posted by mhp at 08:54 AM UTC on Jan 11, 2004 in Hosting, Performance.
Reference: news.netcraft.com
FreeBSD seems to have been whooping ass in the hosting field for a while now according to NetCraft surveys. (Long before this article's 6 month window as well.)
This NetCraft article proves nothing about say, Linux vs. FreeBSD or FreeBSD vs. Win2k3, to me it says, FreeBSD isn't dying off, and if it is, it sure is a pain riddled, horrifcally slow death. (if less people are running FreeBSD, good, less morons to have to help , I'm sick of being asked how to update the locate database after all these years..)
Before you put words in JKH's mouth: See JKH's resignation
Why did Apple hire JKH? Not because he looks good in a push-up bra, I can promise you that.
If JKH thinks FreeBSD is no longer viable code, why does Apple continue to develop a branch off FreeBSD, and why is Panther based from FreeBSD 5.x? OS X Panther(features column)
FreeBSD isn't a "clique" of elites, we didn't all install FreeBSD because it's "Cool". So many Linux zealots have called FreeBSD users out, saying we're trying to "fit in." Which is ironic, since many of them installed it because their buddies said, "Oh l00k, itz 31337 d00d."
I've run Linux since kernel 0.99, there was a time I prefered Linux(0.99 - 2.0.34) over any BSD, those days are long passed. However, I DO NOT look down my nose at Linux users, and I certainly don't troll any Linux "forums", yet why is this occuring vice versa? It's unfortunate, the Linux community is also very plagued by the '14 year old zit-faced kids who just installed RedHat, and want to "hax teh g1bs0n."' (I've taken enough abuse from the Linux crowd, talking about "Fat, unwashed, Star Trek watching *BSD nerds" to justify that last comment.) Which is one reason I don't ever want them crossing over to the FreeBSD crowd, thus if we have less 'market share', in that respect it's a VERY GOOD THING(tm).
Many of my sysadmin friends run purely Linux based networks(server-side), and when I ask why they don't even try a *BSD, the common answer I've received is, "It's too hard." Which in turn makes me chuckle to myself because they're really missing out on something great. I don't make fun of them and/or their networks, nor try to say they're running an antiquated or conviluted system. (To say FreeBSD is either of these, is to deny the facts.) To each his own, and if they choose to live in ignorance, MORE POWER TO THEM, it's their prerogative.
We were around in 1992, and we'll continue to be, regardless what the slashdot trolls attentively (or not so attentively..) splurge in digital form.
-mpf
P.S. I wonder how long Yahoo!(tm) will run a dead operating system (FreeBSD) across it's server pools?
( Next time don't post out of date,
You think moderation should be based on the poster's choice of username? That would certainly simplify the moderation interface, people with mod points could just be given a list of today's sign ups to score.
Of course, since you chose to be `Anonymous Coward' you'd get -1000000 on every post.
I think you may have forgotten to engage brain before posting.
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.|< The named which can be named is not the true named
Review my posts, and then tell me I'm trolling.
/.? No, I'm methodically disproving their posts. Don't try and nix free speech, people are free to say what they wish, no matter how oblivious they are to the facts.
Refering to BSD users, as "lusers" - absolutely classic. What is this, the third grade? That's why all my Linux buddies say the BSD's are "too hard" for them, right?
Right.
(Which, in itself that statement is laden with humor, to me)
Look at your own trolls first, before you point the finger on us.
There's a multitude of Cut and Paste trolling going on, if you'd only pay attention. Am I crying to
BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
I think you need to check your facts again. Did you just actually say "Cheaper"? Oh you make me laugh. (The "faster" and "stable" comments are even funnier.)
See NetCraft For proof of what is more stable.
Just because you're unable to comprehend how to utilize BSD, doesn't in any way lesser it's value, to anyone but you. All the same, if some Windows user tried to use Linux, and was completely lost, You'd just flame him and tell him to "get a clue" or "rtfm". The person who's too uneducated to utilize it, is the only one who's missing out.
There's more reasons than I can list, I've been running *BSD variants since 1993, and Linux (before any distributions existed) since 0.99. BSD is cleaner, the -core teams usually have brighter developers on them, FreeBSD ports are still number 1, the BSD layout is just far superior IMHO, (I usually tend to run slackware, which is the closest to BSD you can get in a Linux basically) my memory footprint is slightly over 3 MB on most of my servers, with a minimal set of services running, (obviously my mysql, apache, and such servers eat more due to the daemons tieing it up) and the list continues on.
Don't flame BSD because you can't figure it out.
Sounds like a personal problem.
-mpf
I have now reviewed your posts, you offtopic troll.
Your name has been added to the list of people who are ruining the developer forum for legitimate users, because it is clear you are logging in under another account, and then using this one as a kind of ironic statement. You have not been clever enough, troll.
I used to like BSD users, until I met some of them - both personally and on-line. And I was frankly appalled at some of the language they used.
I shouldn't take your troll bait, but all this nonsense about cut and pasting here? In the BSD section? What are you talking about? Look at Developers for the true, asinine cut and paste auto-trolling, done by embittered BSD lusers.
I am done with you, MrPlastic.