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First Look At Intel Tejas & Socket 775
Anonymous Indian writes "The snoops at Anandtech have unearthed some details and photos of Intel's rumored Tejas 90nm CPU which draws 150 watts of power, a 50% jump compared to Prescott. It's also got an interesting locking mechanism instead of the traditional metal clip from hell for most processors." There's not much info beyond the photos, but it's still interesting to see what lies ahead for Intel.
So much power use from the first 90nm process cpu? There can be only one reason for this... the rumored twin core intel CPU. Let's see how hyperthreading run's on THIS baby!
The dominant CPU maker is releasing a new CPU and a new socket. That's news for nerds. It may not be the most exciting news for nerds ever, but it's still news. The 150 Watt consumption is somewhat interesting.
-B
Regarding those metal clips from hell, I've always wondered why Intel and AMD never followed the examples of Alpha, Sun, SGI, etc. machines. They usually have bolt on heatsinks that either bolt the CPU and heatsink together or sandwich the CPU between the mainboard and the heatsink.
It takes care of the flat head screwdriver ruined mainboard, and there are no clips to break off the socket itself. I'm glad they are finally changing the way x86 sockets work.
Cthulhu Saves.
It's interesting to see how what was once consideres "high-end" eventually makes it's way into the consumer desktop stuff.
For example, this chip appears to use a "pinless" package design. Instead of little pins that fit into the socket, it has little ever-so-slightly raised 'nubs'. These 'nubs' simply sit on top of contact points in the socket.
This pinless design was being used by Compaq for the Alpha CPU as early as 2000, so this isn't a new packaging technology. The only problem Compaq had with it, was keeping all the little 'nubs' firmly in contact with the corresponding points on the socket. They used some sort of plastic clip design at first, which ended up with a high failure rate - not for the CPU, but for the plastic retaining mechanism itself. That's probably why intel is using that big beefy metal retaining clip.
I guess intel learned something from all those Compaq Alpha engineers they bought a few years ago.
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
the "lack of metal clip", however, is so exciting that I am sure that we are to see perpetual world peace from its announcement any minute now.
The 150 Watt consumption is somewhat interesting.
The real question is how freaking big and loud is the cooler that has to deal with 150W???
Looks like a German dental tool.
Actually, the Germans are known for their skill with machined parts and their engineering prowess.
This looks more like a dental tool from .
Now before you mod me a troll for bringing up Soviet Russia again, let me teach you something. In Soviet Russia, a manufacturing facility's productivity was measured not by the number of units sold, or by customer satisfaction. It was measured by the quantity of raw materials used. The problem with this, is that quality immediately goes down the toilet, and raw material consumption goes through the roof. A soviet era farm tractor, was so unreliable - but contained so much steel - that when Jonev Vladstov (That's John Doe in Russian) bought a tractor, it was worth MORE if he melted it down and sold the steel than it was as a tractor! That's called 'negative value-add' in the economic world, and that's why those old 'In Soviet Russia...' jokes use role reversal as their humor mechanism - because Soviet Russia really was backwards.
Intel Tejas. There. Now this post is not off topic.
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
He, that is the Spanish (as written on Spain) for Texas.
The Spaniards write Mexico as Mejico.
Just a tidbit for your amusement.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
That's about $10/month; similar to the cost of adding a movie channel or two to your cable subscription. Something to think about for those that will use this CPU to volunteer for distributed number crunching projects.
But microwaves use expensive and smelly burrito heat sinks that only have a service life of about 5 minutes each.
RTFA! Oh wait, this is SlahsDot.
Realize that this processor is a Prototype, fabbed on a process that doesn't reflect Intels true capabilities. So criticism as to it's heat dissipation is at best pre-mature and at worst, downright off topic.
Sometimes I wish I was a plumber, then I'd know how to deal with other people's shit.
1.21 jiggawatts?! Where am I going to find that much power!? It's not possible!!
Probably just thermal conduction compound residue. You know, that white zinc-based greasy crap that goes between the heatsink and the chip die.
If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
Err, have you bothered to check the datasheets? The P4 is hardly a cool running chip by any stretch. It may have a wider power consumption range than the AthlonXP, but when the chips were running flat out they sure didn't run any cooler.
The only reason why P4's used to run cooler than Athlons was because people would stick a 60mm x 60mm heatsink on their Athlon and an 80mm x 80mm heatsink on their P4. Both of these chips consume a lot of power, and both drain laptop batteries like crazy if you use the highest powered parts (Intel actually produces some P4 "mobile" chips with a TDP of 70W!, while AMD's brand new "mobile" Athlon64 chips consume over 60W at full throttle).
Now, the Pentium M... well that's another story altogether.
150 W? What does that Tejas thing have, a Electric Chair Inside ?
You only seem to equate power wastage in terms of your personal $s.
Try and think a little bit bigger. Think in terms of global warming, energy depletion, entropy etc.
Using less power (whatever the application) can only be a good thing.
This is also at the heart of Apple's G5 strategy. When they announced the PowerMac G5 had 9 fans, many people were enormously excited because it appeared to mean Apple had found a way of making their machines pump out more heat than any PCs around today. As it turned out, Apple was fooling everyone! Their fans are very slow and they use careful venting to make it appear the machine needs more fans than anything else.
That's why you should be excited by this...
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
And it also may approach the heating capacity of an AMD chip
No. It's much higher. The 'super-hot Athlon' preconception is way way out of date. It was true comparing Athlon "Thunderbirds" with PIIIs, but hasn't been true since the P4 - the 2GHz Willamette and 3.2GHz Northwoods both dissipate more power than any Athlon.
The first Pentium was a stripped-together combination of 2 486-like CPUs
No. You're trying to describe superscalar-ness but not succeeding. The Pentium was the first superscalar x86, having two integer pipelines. All modern x86 CPUs are superscalar (except the VIA C3). Superscalar-ness is not CMT/multicore. CMT appears as multiple CPUs to software.
The first Pentium was a stripped-together combination of 2 486-like CPUs, with shared parts. To describe this as "two discreet Prescott cores on die... sharing data caches and maybe other units..." brings together this similarity.
The closest is the Pentium Pro and it had separate cache and core dies, NOT two separate cores, but that was converted later to cartridge (PII) and then later all on one die (later PIII). I doubt that Intel produced an original Pentium anything like this, or in a dual core manner.
2/27/2003:, 3973,900185, 00.asp/ cpu/display/200310110 84615.htmlt ag=Tejas
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http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0
10/11/2003:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news
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http://endian.net/details.asp?
So it looks like it will come in in 2005 instead of the original 2H 2004. It'll have 24k L1 instead of 8k or 16k like current and prescott have. When it is made at 65nm insteadof 90nm it'll have 2megs L2 instead of 1meg.
It should start eventually run as high as 5Ghz. Maybe that is on the 65nm process years from now? Bus speed should be 1066Mhz (266*4) or 1200.
It should have some new instructions in order to make life harder for AMD.
Fortunately for AMD Prescott was already supposed to be shipping at 3.8Ghz, but Intel is a bit behind on their road map too