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61-inch Wide Plasma Monitor

Mister.de writes "NEC Plasma Display Corporation today announced the launch of two 61-inch wide plasma monitors from the PlasmaSync(TM)61XM2+series (a grey bezel model, and a silver bezel model) that are equipped with "Enhanced Split Screen" ability - a high quality, high performance Double Picture function. Sales will commence on February 1st, 2004 to meet various uses mainly in multimedia presentation and public display applications with different release dates for each region. NEC Plasma Display Corporation is targeting 25% of the world commercial market share with its 11 model line up. See the source with picture or Read the Main Specifications." The 1365x768 resolution definitely means this is more TV than Monitor, but who wouldn't want it in their office?

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  1. Aw, MAN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I just bought a new 57-inch plasma monitor!

    1. Re:Aw, MAN! by Walterk · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, Samsung have released a 63" Plasma TV a while ago. Their frontpage displays their 80" Plasma TV with a resolution of 1920x1080. Yes. Eight Zero Inches.

    2. Re:Aw, MAN! by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 2, Informative
      80" Plasma TV with a resolution of 1920x1080

      That's what, 25dpi? each pixel is 1mm x 1mm large? that must look pretty from up close...

    3. Re:Aw, MAN! by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 2, Funny

      Except that you'll soon develop RSI in your neck from having to look from side to side if you are that close to it. ;)

    4. Re:Aw, MAN! by Walterk · · Score: 2, Informative

      The specs say 0.891x0.994mm.

      Have you ever walked up to a movie theatre projection screen? The image quality really sucks. Sometimes it isn't the DPI that maters, but the size. Who cares if it's big pixels if you can sit away a few meters (better for your eyes anyway) and have a TV that's friggin' bigger than you are!

    5. Re:Aw, MAN! by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 2, Funny
      Except that you'll soon develop RSI in your neck from having to look from side to side if you are that close to it. ;)

      Well, since your peripheral vision FOV is about 180degs, if the perspective correction is done right you only need to roll your eyeballs. ;)

    6. Re:Aw, MAN! by iainl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "If my 20" LCD monitor can do 1600x1200 why is it that a 61" can't do 4 times the resolution?"

      Because the difficulty with building a monitor, and number of duff ones they have to bin due to too many dead subpixels, goes up with the number of pixels rather than the size of the screen per se.

      1600x1200x4x4 (assuming you want 3 times res in each direction, to give the same dpi as you're used to) is over 92 million subpixels. So you need an error rate of around 10^-9 just to get a fully working screen. 1600x1200 monitors are scarily expensive as it is; ones with 16 times as many would just be obscene.

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    7. Re:Aw, MAN! by Eon78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So don't look at it from that close :)

      We have some ship simulators. The largest has 360 deg. view generated by 10 pc's. Output resolution is 1280x1024 (per pc) which gets downscaled to something around 1024x768 by our Barco SIM6 projectors. That doesn't seem much but the image is more than 4.5m high, and you get to look at it from, say 5 to 6 metres away. Then it's still an impressive picture to look at :)

  2. Yeah, it's nice, but by KillerHamster · · Score: 4, Funny

    can you play Duck Hunt on it?

  3. No price listed? by badfrog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

  4. I want one of these .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... but everytime I mention it to my gf, she keeps telling me that "size isn't important", it's what you _do_ with what you got. She encouraged me to simply do more with what I have. Sigh.

  5. Re:What is special? by lxt · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it's not. Fujitsu make the PDS-6101 61" Plasmavision Slimscreen Monitor...why is this news?

  6. Getting closer to what I'm looking for... by bc90021 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and what was featured in "Back to the Future" (II, I think)...

    What I want is a big screen monitor covering the wall that can be divided up into quadrants and can be used to watch multiple channels all at once, with a few quadrants for terminals and some Gnome programs! This brings us one step closer... ;)

    1. Re:Getting closer to what I'm looking for... by GuyinVA · · Score: 2, Funny

      [cartman]Shweeeet....[/cartman] Watching Monster Garage, while playing RTCW, playing with your favorite kernel, and while playing GT2 would be cool, but distracting, don't you think.

  7. Nitpick by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 3, Informative
    ... 61-inch wide ...

    Actually 61" diagonal. Nice anyway. This would be great for presentations: beats a projector hands down.

  8. WHere do I put it? by apoch2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

    A 61" screen is larger than my living room given that home builders think someone can actually survive in a 400sqft hole called 'upscale living condominiums'. Perhaps I can put it on the balcony and use it as a beacon

    1. Re:WHere do I put it? by doc_traig · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps I can put it on the balcony and use it as a beacon

      Set fire to it and I'll come help defend your condo.

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      So long, michael. Don't let the door hit you...
  9. Where are the "True 1080P" HDTV screens? by rigolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You hear all this buzz about HDTV screens, being Plasma or LCD etc etc. But when you look at the specifications they are never True 1080P ready. I want a widescreen display that can do 1920x1080 at 30". The closet thing is the samsung 240T (24" 1920x1200) but it is already a few years old. All the screens that came after always had a lower resolution. When you check the LCD screen manufacturers you will also not find screens that size, so .. where are they?

    1. Re:Where are the "True 1080P" HDTV screens? by gr8_phk · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "But when you look at the specifications they are never True 1080P"

      Yea, and the sales people always say "oh yes, it displays all the HDTV resolutions". So then I point to the Samsung DLP set that says everything is converted to 720P (most don't even give a screen resolution) and it clicks for them that receiving and displaying are two different things. I asked a guy at best buy if they are trained to avoid that topic, and we were done talking soon. Deliberate deception?

    2. Re:Where are the "True 1080P" HDTV screens? by mattACK · · Score: 5, Informative

      First read this. Then check out this puppy. Droolworthy.

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  10. Re:What is special? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ever had a chance to view some recent high quality projectors? I've got one in my basement. It's actually a couple of years old and it's absolutely amazing. And 61-inches is small. My screen is TEN feet measured diagonally.

  11. Evil Plot by mphase · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've noticed an evil plot involving Plasma and LCD tv's. Architects are purposely designing living rooms where it is impossible to place an old style back projection big screen tv.

  12. Too pricey for most folks. =( by wongqc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although it's nice, guess it will be roughly 3-5 years before the price comes down to a level where the common public can afford. Most of us don't have that deep pockets....... :(

    Hey Santa...I know it's a bit early...but I don't mind one of these babies for coming Xmas :P

    1. Re:Too pricey for most folks. =( by The_Systech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With the life expectancy of the current plasma screen technology, I'm sure that you'll be able to buy one of the screens manufactured today for a little bit of nothing in 3-5 years. Of course it'll be dead by then, but hey you'll have a great 61" diagonal paperweight.

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  13. DLP is better... by dane23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know why everyone has a hardon for plasma. Sure it's thin but it suffers from burn in and it runs fairly hot and the colors fade after a few years. DLP doesn't suffer from burn in at all, so you can play all the computer/pc games on it you want without fear of ruining your multi thousand dollar investment. Plus when the DLP light board goes out in 3-4 years just buy a new one for a few hundred and drop it in.

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    1. Re:DLP is better... by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Informative
      No, DLP (Digital Light Processing) is used for BOTH rear and forward projection. The original poster is erroneously thinking it's for forward projection only, and you are mistaking it for rear projection only. The technology can be (and is) used for either.

      Http://www.dlp.com

    2. Re:DLP is better... by Eccles · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So if anyone can explain what are advantages of big-screen displays over DLPs for home viewing, please enlighten me.

      Brightness is generally an issue with projectors; you need a dark room for them. A plasma or LCD display will look decent in interior light.

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  14. Projector by donnyspi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that at this size of over 5 feet, maybe a nice projector would be better.

  15. Re:What is special? by da3dAlus · · Score: 3, Funny

    "equipped with "Enhanced Split Screen"" ability"

    It's obvious, displaying games AND pr0n at the same time!
    Sheesh, think man!

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  16. how many... by VEGx · · Score: 3, Funny

    how many pr0n sites could you have open then at the same time? [inches? what's that? translate it to something I understand]

  17. Specifications by earplug · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >> Current Rating A:6.7A(Max) G:8.0A(Max)

    Am I reading this correctly? 6.7-8.0 amps? To protect the investment, is it possible to get a surge protector that can handle that kind of current for a decent price?

    Furthermore, don't many houses run on 15-20 amp circuits? That just seems like a lot of power!

    >> Speakers 9W+9W (6)

    Where does the surround sound hook up at? Does it typically connect to the TV, or is it supposed to connect upstream somewhere like at the DSS dish, or DVD player?

  18. Too late.... by edwardd · · Score: 2, Funny

    So why does this come out AFTER christmas??

  19. Yes! by b0r0din · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll finally have a large enough screen TV to make my evil supervillain's lair with my computer console that has way too many buttons.

  20. can you get a sun tan from that much monitor? by freejamesbrown · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    ??
    m.

  21. Nothing at all - here's 80 inch by swordboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    LG thought that they were going to steal the show at CES with their puny 65" model but then Samsung dropped the bomb with an 80 incher... 1920x1080p... Wow...

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  22. Huh? by FrostedWheat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    with different release dates for each region

    Why do companies insist on doing that? Surly they'd make more money with a single release date? Would make advertising a lot simpler.

    1. Re:Huh? by bn557 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      well, this way they don't have to commit to a huge production of the product before they're assured that:

      A. the product is actually going to sell
      B. the product isn't going to require a major recall.

      if they produced 10,000 of these, distributed them to 39 countries, then found out that they have to recall them, replace them all, and have a PR nightmare, they're easily going to be out whatever extra they made from the mass distribution.

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  23. "who wouldn't want it in their office?" by mwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    *yawn* I can wait. If I'm gonna have a monitor five feet wide, wake me when they get the resolution up to about 10240x7680. 100x as much detail is worth some serious money to me; bigger pixels are not.

    What would I do with all that real estate? How about a couple dozen windows, none overlapping, each more detailed than what I have now? (Then I need to figure out how to touch-type with VR gloves....) There's a lot of low-level event detectors in the human visual pathway that are being wasted by our tendency to view computing processes through the tiny peepholes we call displays.

    (Think about the mural display rooms in the opening chapter of Hogan's _The Genesis Machine_, or the Prime Radiant in Asimov's _Second Foundation_. Now, those are some *real* display hardware!)

  24. While big is nice... by ennerseed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really at this point anything under 1080p is kinda half*ssed for a high resolution TV. -I would guess this mind frame would follow in the newest, fastest, best /. crowd- And yes, something that big with that low of resolution, would have pixels too largs to look at 24" from you face. It would look like those 17" lcd monitors that Dell ships out at 640 x 480... how many time have you gone to help a friend out on their computer and have to talk them into bumping up their resolution.... god why!

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  25. Re:What is special? by the_consumer · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're mixing English and Metric units. Don't try to watch this TV on Mars.

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  26. Re:Just to clarify... by radoni · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...DLP is a type of sandwhich. they are leaving out the mystery sauce ingredient, like so:

    1) D
    2) L
    3) ???
    4) P!

    i'm sure you can come up with the true recipie for ingredient number three.

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  27. No way by Orion442 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No thanks, I spend way too much on paper towels as it is.

  28. Re:Technically Valid '?' by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 3, Informative

    I saw on CNN Headline News during one of their tech segments, they were displaying the game on a large plasma display, but the player was having to shoot at a very small (10" or so) color monitor because, as they said, the gun does not work on the plasma display.

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  29. 61 inches? by YeOldeGnurd · · Score: 2, Funny
    Lucky Bastards!


    I have an understanding of plasma dispays. And soon I will have understanding of videocassette recorders and car telephones. And when I have understanding of them, I shall have understanding of computers. And when I have understanding of computers, I shall be the Supreme Being! God isn't interested in technology. He knows nothing of the potential of the microchip or the silicon revolution. Look how he spends his time: forty-three species of parrots! Nipples for men!

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    ...Nothing interesting here. Just move along...
  30. Paperless Office by sbowles · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I've always thought that the "Paperless Office" would never be a reality until I could get a monitor that was the size of a desk.

    This way I could have files spread all over it, each with a font size that didn't hurt my eyes.

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    You sly dog: you got me monologuing! - Syndrome
  31. Because it's hard to do by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Informative

    The more pixles you want to pack onto something, at any size, the harder it is. Plus it's not like most people care so it's a waste of money.

    Like you can beat your 20" LCD easily. Viewsonic makes a 22" LCD that does 3840x2400. That's 2x max HDTV in each direction. So it's only 2 inches bigger than yours yet has over double the resolution.

    So what gives? why doesn't you're have a similar resolution? Well because it's expensive as hell, that's why. That's like a $4000 monitor. Plus I'm betting you don't really care. I mean barring engineering uses, there isn't much use for pixels that small.

    Similar with TVs. You don't sit nearly so close to them, so pixels can be larger. What's more, you are limited by your input. You are basically not going to find anything that's over 1920x1080 (the HDTV max) so there's little point to making above that.

    Finally, plasma screens are a bit different technology than LCDs. What applies to one in terms of resolution feasability does not necessiarly apply to the other.

  32. Plasmas are not good computer monitors by twenex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Primarily because they suffer from burn-in. How would you like a permanent "Start" button in the lower left or a permanent menu bar from your mac?

    On another subject, it's interesting, but the Sony XBR-950 series of Plasma monitors run Linux in their media box (which is a video switch + runs media from a memory stick).

    And no, I would not like a beowulf cluster of these, thank you very much.

  33. Re:Technically Valid '?' by owlstead · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well yeah, you could not play duck hunt on a plasma screen, because the gun does not shoot. Instead it receives the light emited by the screen on a photo-detector. Since it is synchonized with the horizontal and vertical frequency it knows where it is aiming (it sees the electron beam).

    Since LCD and Plasma screens do not do horizontal and vertical refresh, it is impossible to use this technique. Using radio would be a better idea. I think some 3D mice (also called owls) used this technique.

    So now you also know why you could hit the duck while aiming much to the left and right of the duck, while aiming above or below would not get you a decent meal - err, score. The horizontal frequency is much higher.

  34. Re:Technically Valid '?' by Firehawke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You've got the gun technology right-- that's how modern lightguns work, but Duck Hunt and all NES gun games used a slightly different trick that MAY or MAY NOT work on plasma/LCD televisions. I haven't tried, but most likely it won't work.

    Basically, there's still just a photosensor in the barrel of the gun but the sensor is calibrated to detect only white. When you press the trigger, the screen blacks out for a brief period and replaces targets with white blocks during the blackout. If a white block is detected by the photosensor, you hit a target. Games that have more than one target onscreen use slightly longer blackout periods with the white blocks staggered so as to detect which target had been hit.

    I don't believe the NES gun used sync at all to detect hit location; it was pretty inaccurate as a result and prone to cheating.

    I should know about the cheating-- I once played Duck Hunt on a black and white TV with the contrast turned all the way up. I couldn't miss-- at all.