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Oscar Screener Leak Traced

EvilLiberalGuy writes "CNN has an article about a leak of a screener copy of 'Something's Gotta Give'. They are reporting that 'visible and hidden markings on the videocassette copy on the Internet identify it as the one sent to Carmine Caridi, a film and television actor'. Apparently this didn't stop the leak from happening in this case, but will it result in actions against Caridi and make others think twice before leaking films to the net?"

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  1. I want an apology by bigjnsa500 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I want an apology from the MPAA. All this time they have been blaming downloaders and moviegoes for "leaking" these screeners. Now we discover its one of their own. I wonder how many of the other screeners were "released" by other Academy members.

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  2. Odd by justMichael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one that finds it "out of character" for a guy who will be 70 years old in 10 days to be the one that leaked the film?

  3. Automatic guilt? by kneecarrot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is there something that people sign when they receive a screener which says that if the screener shows up on the net they are somehow liable?

    I mean, who is to say how the damn thing ended up on the Internet? Who knows what happened while burning the screener, in the mail room at the studios, during the mail delivery process, etc.

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  4. The system works... by LostCluster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A dumb out-of-work actor gets caught letting his copy of a screener be the one that gets onto the 'net. I wouldn't call this a setback, I'd call this proof that this idea works.

    There's tons of ways a screener could be marked up so that unique ID numbers get inserted, and it was only a matter of time before everybody who got a screener got a serial number embeded into the content so that when the screener appears on the 'net, the leaker could be busted for a breach of their contract. For once, a copy-protection technology that I don't think anybody can argue with...

    1. Re:The system works... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For once, a copy-protection technology that I don't think anybody can argue with...

      I'll argue, and it echoes sentiment that others have expressed in this thread: How do we know he did it? He's 70 years old and not exactly the key demographic for uploading/digitizing movies. Maybe one of his kids watched it and did it (I used to watch screen copies with my college roommate who's dad was in the Academy), or perhaps someone along the process (encoders, mailers, distributors) took 2 hours and did it.

      The only proof is that a leaked copy with this guy's name on it is on the internet. We have no proof that he had anything to do with it being there.

  5. Re:Old People Today! by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but seems that now even 69 year old actors like Carmine Caridi can't be trusted

    My guess is that he gave it to a grandson/great nephew/etc who decided it would be kewl to rip it.

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  6. What's wrong with that? by El+Volio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article just says that there's an investigation under way and that the academy isn't identifying the screener being looked at; the LA Times is the one fingering Caridi. So while the Academy and the MPAA may occasionally be up to no good, there's no indication right now that in this case they're unfairly blaming the wrong guy. (And assuming that it couldn't be him because of his age would be a pretty poor way to run an investigation).

    Actually, tracking down the leak is the right way to handle this. Go after the distributors and those actually responsible for the infringement. Enforcing your copyright is not in itself the problem; it's pretty clear here that someone is doing something wrong. The problem comes in the way you enforce it, and whether it's the screener or someone in the supply chain or a family member, tracking down that person is the way to go.

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  7. Re:Irony at it's best by strictnein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The MPAA sends out *free* copies of their films, one of said *free* copies makes it onto the Internet where the general public can consume for free

    So, if say, Ford, gives out a number of free cars to a number of important clients, and one of them gets stolen, then we can go and steal the rest of the Fords sitting in front of our nearby Ford plant and Ford should in no way get upset about it?

    Or if an independent musician records a song and emails it for *free* to his friends and a copy of this *free* song gets posted on the internet and now everyone can download it for *free*. Why would the musician be upset?

    Think a little more about what you're saying. Yes the MPAA are bastards, but they do have a right to protect thair assets. Just because it's easy and probably 50% of the /. audience does it, downloading movies is still illegal. And if the movies are so crappy why are so many people downloading them and wasting their time by watching them?

  8. I love this stuff by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's such a big deal made over it because it affects rich people.

  9. Possible Marking Technique by johnthorensen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are many ways in which such a video could be "marked", without drawing attention from the viewer. One simple method is to vary the frames on which the "Do not distribute, blah blah blah" caption appears. This can be done automatically when the disc is produced, provides virtually unlimited unique combinations, and the process of matching a specific copy's "serial number" to the caption pattern is trivial. I can't say for sure, but I'm willing to bet that something like this was the method utilized to ID the "Something's Gotta Give" trailer. Other similar techniques might be something like inserting duplicates of specific frames. Such a technique would be virtually undetectable and if done in such a way that the effect is preserved by the encoding process it would be quite effective. -JT

  10. Grow up. by i_r_sensitive · · Score: 5, Insightful
    RTFA, obatining the screeners meant signing an agreement, in effect a license agreement (like the GPL).

    Now if you wrote some GPL software and someone went and modified it, then distributed it, but did not adhere to the specific requirements of the GPL guaranteeing your rights as the author, don't you think you would have a right to be pissed off? Do you think that might color your opinions of the people who ended up buying the software?

    This individual violated a binding agreement, no less so than the GPL. Just because the MPAA is the wronged party doesn't make the wrong right.

    More, if the demand for the fruits of such unlawful activity wasn't disproportionately high, the temptation would have been far less, and the whole issue likely wouldn't have occured.

    And please don't try to ascribe people's unethical behaviour to some sort of protest over movie quality. If a movie is bad, you don't go see it, period. That is not license to obtain an unlawful copy. That kind of reasoning is childish, narcisistic, and anti-social. If all movies suck, you don't go to any, and you certainly do not obtain unlawful copies. If you want to send a message, fine, send the message. But when you obtain an unlawful copy of a movie the signal you are sending is not that the movie sucks, you are signalling your desire to watch/own the movie, while engaging in a childish reaction to the cost.

    There is no moral reason to obtain unlawful copies of music, movies, software, what have you. The motive is greed pure and simple.

    And the oft quoted argument of try and buy, is worse than useless. That kind of arrangement requires trust. Why should the MPAA or RIAA or anyone else trust you? If they could trust you the problem wouldn't be as pandemic as it is.

    Having said all that, there are responsible people who could live within a reasonable try before buy setup, and who would honor their obligations, this post is not directed at you. This post is wasted effort, since it directed at the large group of internet toddlers who can't prosecute an argument, and use the internet primarily as a means to slake their insatiable greed.

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    1. Re:Grow up. by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There is no moral reason to obtain unlawful copies of music, movies, software, what have you. The motive is greed pure and simple.

      Careful with the absolutes. All but the most simple of laws have grey areas.

      Take for example Walt Disney's creation, Steamboat Willy, generally held to be the first Mickey Mouse cartoon. It was created in 1928. Based on laws of the time, Disney could expect a term of 56 years, so it would fall into the public domain in 1984. Despite this "short" time period, he chose to make the cartoon, suggesting that the system worked. Disney proceeded to control the copyright through his death in 1966. By any measure, society held up our part of the deal.

      Now, thanks to several copyright extensions, Steamboat Willy enjoys a 95 year copyright duration. Steamboat Willy remains the exclusive property of the Disney corporation until 2023. That's 39 extra years for which the public has received no recompense. This extension is not going to increase the productivity of the creator, seeing as he's dead and all. It's a shameless handout to an industry that didn't need it.

      This is theft from the public, it's only legal because of embarassing behavior by our so-called representatives. There is no moral reason for these extensions, so there is no moral reason to obey them.

      (All that said, I agree. "This movie sucks, so I'm going to download it for free," is a pretty stupid argument. Even as a poor college student I could scrape up the cash to occasionally rent a movie (especially if I could convince a few other people to kick in). If you can afford a computer to download it on, you can afford a secondhand VCR and an occasional few bucks at the video rental store.)

  11. Hollywood's real problem by Simonetta · · Score: 3, Insightful


    The real underlining problem in Hollywood is not whether someone somewhere is watching a movie in some format for free...

    The real issue that Hollywood won't face is that their audience (the people who stand in line to give their money away) has stopped growing while the cost of producing the movies continues to grow unchecked every year.

    Movies have become a saturated business. Last year the actual number of paid admissions actually fell 4% for the first time in since 1991 (according to NPR - the USA public radio network). Only half of the big blockbuster productions of last summer earned back their production and advertising costs from USA box office receipts. All the profit from Hollywood is coming from overseas ticket sales, video and DVD rentals, and syndication to other media.

    And this is from a good year...

    Hollywood has written off all the people over 30 years old in their demographic targetting for their product. If young adults decide to stop going to the movies and do other things with their disposable income, they will go bankrupt on their movie product. And young adults are turning away from television in record numbers, a bad sign for this industry.

    All the while film budgets continue to go up and up. Each 150 million dollar movie is a giant three year gamble on the fickleness of the audience for the first two or three weeks after its release. Three or four big bombs like 'Gigli' in one season and the studio is history. Especially if the interest rates start to go up again.

    DVD screeners is just a smoke-screen. It gives the industry something to collectively pretend is a problem without forcing them to acknowledge the real situation that they're in.