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Passenger Risk Database to be Implemented in U.S.

bluephile writes "CNN is running an article on the The Transport Security Administration's (TSA) renewed efforts to implement the CAPPS II color-coded passenger risk-assessment program, despite outcries by numerous privacy activism groups at the program's collection and redistribution of personal information. The TSA has made several claims that the system respects passengers' privacy, but their track record isn't impressive. Congress suspended the program last year in order to investigate its privacy implications. One MIT paper suggests that CAPPS II could make flying MORE dangerous, rather than less."

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  1. What's the point? by m3j00 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Airplanes can't be hijacked anymore after 9/11. People now realize that it's not a matter of demanding your comrade be released from prison, but instead a matter of taking control of the world's biggest bomb. Nobody is going to yield to a terrorist carrying anything short of an automatic firearm.

  2. As the Daily Show recommended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The solution to stopping terrorism on flights is two-fold. One, everyone travels naked, without carrying thing on the plane. Two, luggage goes on a second plane operated by robots.

  3. Oooh, Color-Coded!!! by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Funny
    color-coded passenger risk-assessment program

    Color Coded, eh? Now I can sleep easier at night, knowing I am protectected by a color coded system. I wonder if this will be about as useless as our fabled Homeland Security "Orange Alerts"?


    1. Re:Oooh, Color-Coded!!! by Polyphemis · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For example, a village with a population of 50 in the middle of Wyoming would be required to have a full-time guard on the water tower!

      Great example. That reminds me of something I found interesting. Earlier this year, I got in a conversation with someone that worked for the Oklahoma Department of Transportation whose job became miserable because of these terror alerts. Every time one came down the wire, they had to send crews out to every major overpass in Oklahoma every hour as well as performing mass inspections over all the major roads in the state every single day. Everyone there had to work overtime all the time to keep all that going for every alert. The alerts became so frequent and proved to be so pointless that the entire department actually started deliberately ignoring the warnings because it cost them SO much time, effort money to respond to them while other, more important things weren't getting done.

  4. Only for one flight... by c4seyj0nes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well they'll only get me for one flight...As i move to Canada...

    --
    "In wine there is wisdom. In beer there is strength. In water there is bacteria." --Old German Proverb
  5. Re:You people are overreacting. by petabyte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What good are civil liberties when you're dead?

    Or as I prefer to see it, what good is life without civil liberties?

  6. CHECK YOUR CREDIT SCORE BEFORE YOU FLY by clevelandguru · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you have a bad credit score, be prepared for a full body cavity search.

  7. So what if I'm a student? by AnotherFreakboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. I have no credit history because I have little income and can't get a credit card.
    2. I pay cash because I can get a discount
    3. I buy a one way ticket because I wont be returning until I have earned enough money to afford a return journey
    Will I be barred from travel? I think I might. At the very least I'm likely to be detained for further questioning.
    --
    Why not get the real ultimate power?
  8. Re:3 Cheers for Senseless Panic! by LoztInSpace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think "scaring the piss outta everyone" is a well used device that shakey governments employ to increase their chances of re-election. It's pretty clear that a determined terrorist can do what they want to do if they put their mind to it, even if everyone is asked if they packed their own bags. This is just FUD, and expensive & inconvinient FUD at that.

  9. Al Queda retires by iabervon · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, Al Queda agents and officials retired en masse today. Evidentally, the U.S. government is now doing a far better job of making Americans fearful and submissive than Al Queda could hope to do with the techniques they have. "We did a lot of damage and killed a lot of people," said one unnamed source. "But Americans responded only with defiance and belligerence. Within a couple of months, they'd gotten on with their lives. The DHS, on the other hand, can frighten the American people practically at will, just by announcing rumors or cancelling a plane flight. In this climate, we can't hope to compete."

    Representatives of the Bush Administration called the mass retirement a possible ruse, and urged people to remember all the rumored attacks that might have been thwarted had Al Queda attempted any attack on U.S. soil since domestic security initiatives were put in place.

  10. Incoming possible match! by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Funny

    TIA v1.2 up and running; using SCO UnixWare.

    Trace log: Started.

    Begin log of target: Dark Lord Seth
    Commence trace: Done, tracing . . .
    Warning!
    * Target is known to disagree with US politics!
    * Target is known to hold non-conformist views!
    * Target is known to skip commercials during TV!
    * Target is known to download from P2P networks!
    ( This feature is copyright (C) RIAA )
    * Target is prone to thinking before acting!
    Estimated level of threat: High
    Trace done.
    Suggested course of action: Interception of target
    Scanning for near by air force base . . Air force base found.
    Andrews AFB contacted, awaiting confirmation fo scramble . . . . . Negative.
    Andrews AFB contacted, awaiting confirmation fo scramble . . . . . Negative.
    Andrews AFB contacted, awaiting confirmation fo scramble . . . . . Negative.
    Andrews AFB contact time-out, checking current status
    Andrews AFB:
    * Base facilities: Operational
    * Aircraft: Operational and ready
    * Infrastructure: Operational
    * Staffing: Barely adequate, less budget cuts suggested
    * Fighter crews: Asleep
    Status check done.
    Awaking crews . . . . . Negative.
    Andrews AFB: checking current locations of key items
    * Lieutenant M. Reeves: Asleep
    * Captain S. Wagely: Asleep
    * Lieutenant J. K. McSoughtly: Passed out on toilet due to cheap beer
    * Major R. Malda: Awake, using silly news site for nerds.
    * Alarm clock for fighter crew: Negative.
    * Deep-scanning for alarm clock: Succes.
    Alarm clock's position found to be matching that of aquarium, underwater castle and "Puffy" the goldfish.
    Lost contact with target: Dark Lord Seth
    Transfering Major R. Malda to spankatorium . . Transfered.
    Stop log of target: Dark Lord Seth

    Trace log: Complete

  11. Re:Orwellian, don't you think? by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretent that you are tasked with protecting American lives from Islamic terrorists on your own soil. How would YOU do it?

    I'd start by not making the assumption that the terrorists would be Islamic.

    --
    "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
  12. Re:Orwellian, don't you think? by MenTaLguY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The parent is modded as funny, but replace "terrorist" with "communist" in the above quotes and realize that ordinary, reasonably intelligent people really said and believed such things only 50 years ago.

    It's not far-fetched at all.

    --

    DNA just wants to be free...
  13. Re:welcome to nazi germany 1945 by jim_deane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would say we are really a lot closer to Nazi Germany circa 1932-1937.

    We need to fight with the next election. Get rid of the problems.

    I'm willing to take the same terrorism risk on every plane flight that I took before 9/11. Let's roll back these draconian, orwellian, nazi-esque laws.

    Write your senators, write your representatives, both federal and state! Let them know that we are not willing to "buy safety" at this price! It is not worth what we are giving up!

    Jim

  14. Re:Orwellian, don't you think? by Michalson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the KKK'esk guy arrested who was packing a biological weapon capable of making 9/11 look like a scratched knee, with apparent plans to use it near or in a Federal building (ala McVeigh) was not a terrorist? What about the anthrax mailings that disappeared off the news as soon as it became apparent that it was not the work of evil guys in turbans, but more likely white supremacists who "borrowed" the samples from the US government lab they where traced back to. Domestic terrorism is alive and well, but people are ignoring it because its more convient to have a single enemy, whose skin color, religion and society is different. On topic this won't do any good, in most ways it just helps Bin Ladin. As we saw in the first 9/11 commisions results, one intercepted transmission showed that they actually did a complete dry run to determine if they could sneak weapons through security and onto a plane. With this kind of permanent security designation, its just a matter of sending agents on normal flights and seeing which ones get stopped for searchs and which ones go on the plane. Then you send the green ones on your suicide mission.

  15. Re:Orwellian, don't you think? by Guido+von+Guido · · Score: 5, Informative
    Speaking of living in your own little world, please keep in mind that we have our own, home-grown terrorists.

    For instance, these guys (use pointless as the user name and password) could have been a problem:

    "Investigators found nearly 500,000 rounds of ammunition, 65 pipe bombs and briefcases that could be detonated by remote control.

    Most distressing, they said, was the discovery of 800 grams of almost pure sodium cyanide -- material that can only be acquired legally for specific agricultural or military projects.

    The sodium cyanide was found inside an ammunition canister, next to hydrochloric, nitric and acetic acids and formulas for making bombs. If acid were mixed with the sodium cyanide, an analysis showed, it would create a bomb powerful enough to kill everyone inside a 30,000-square-foot facility, investigators said."

    And they were found almost entirely by accident.

    Look, I'm not suggesting that Islamic terrorists aren't probably the biggest current threat. But don't be stupid.