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Photoshop Fails At Counterfeit Prevention

JediDan writes "Wired reports that the 'Anti-counterfeiting provisions in the latest version of Adobe Systems' flagship product have proven little more than a speed bump, but company representatives insist that including them was the right thing to do.' Kevin Connor, Adobe's director of product management for professional digital imaging said, 'As a market leader and a good corporate citizen, this just seems like the right thing to do.' Maybe if they didn't spend R&D time and money on useless features, their products would be more affordable."

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  1. not like we haven't seen this before by fugu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    great, another protection mechanism that's easily sidestepped by the real crooks but manages to irritate legitimate users

    1. Re:not like we haven't seen this before by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe you want to use it in a project. Maybe you collect money. Maybe you want to sell it on eBay. There are a million different reasons, and throwing that legitimate in there is pretty dumb. Why should 99% of law-abiding citizens care about cameras in the streets?

    2. Re:not like we haven't seen this before by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The last time this feature was mentioned, someone cracked a joke about rap album covers. While a small niche, scanning money for non-counterfeit purposes is certainly not out of the question. Beyond making a dorky rap album cover, I might also want to make a parody of said genre, or even (gasp!) make novelty bills with my picture in the center. All of these are completely legit uses for scanning and manipulating currency, and the anti-counterfeiting software is ignoring the fact that (as far as I understand) getting passable paper is the toughest part of the equation.

    3. Re:not like we haven't seen this before by autophile · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Why would 99% of legitimate users ever need to scan a bill?

      I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. Why would 99% of legitimate users need to cut out a cat from one image, paste it into the Houston city skyline, add some UFO's, and then add the tagline, "I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords." ???

      And then add a guy throwing money at the cat?

      Don't presume to know why a user would want to user a particular feature.

      --Rob

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  2. Re:What were they thinking? by mutewinter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm sounds just like software companies that are conned into spending boatloads of money on elaberate copy-protection schemes which are broken in days instead of hours.

  3. Useless R&D increases cost by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe if they didn't spend R&D time and money on useless features, their products would be more affordable.

    No kidding. And that only starts the downward spiral. Once your software is over a couple hundred dollars a lot of people who would like to pay for it can't afford it. Those people either use it without paying for it, or don't use it at all. Either way, they aren't paying, which leads to a further increase in cost to the remainder who are buying. And on and on...

    I almost choke when I see the prices on some of the software bundles, especially Adobe.

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    1. Re:Useless R&D increases cost by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nonsense. Photoshop is a tool for professionals. Professionals can afford it. If you're not a professional you don't need it and it's not being marketed to you anyway. Get Paintshop or become a graphic artist.

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  4. What R&D money? by Sklivvz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: The inner workings of the counterfeit deterrence system are so secret that not even Adobe is privy to them. The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group provides the software as a black box without revealing its precise inner workings, Connor said.

    So Adobe just plugged in an OCX in their program or something similarly easy. It's not this "feature" that bloats the price tag, I'm afraid.

    Also, why all this secrecy on the "inner workings" of the software, when it's so easily circumvented (e.g. copy and paste from another app)? Why should scanning money be illegal? It's ridiculous - it's like banning knives because they could be dangerous. It's not the technology, it's the use you make of it. I don't understand why politicians fail to understand this simple concept: technology is not evil or good, it does not pose new moral problems. It's always the same problems, just with a different twist in the details.

  5. Photography boards by mtrupe · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I am an amatuer photographer. Its really funny how just about EVERYONE I know who is into photography has a copy of photoshop. Hmmm... They can't afford a new $500 flash, but they can afford $500 for Photoshop.

    Its obvious to me the Photoshop is way, way overpriced. Now, Adobe is free to charge whatever they want for it, but the average Joe is not willing to dump $500 on software.

    True, counterfeiting software is not a "right", but its bound to happen when companies overcharge. Why do you think people are so quick to download music and copy CDs?

    1. Re:Photography boards by Joe+Decker · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I am an amatuer photographer. .... Its obvious to me the Photoshop is way, way overpriced.

      I am a professional photographer. It is obvious to me that Photoshop is worth every penny.

  6. Price by RealityMogul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe if they didn't spend R&D time and money on useless features, their products would be more affordable

    First off, every company spends time/money for R&D on features or products that never even reach the consumer, let alone generate a profit. Any company that hasn't done so would take over the entire planet in a short amount of time.

    Secondly, Photoshop has been expensive for the last decade. Do you really think they sat down 10 years ago and budgetted 50 million dollars to add an anti-counterfeitting feature? You charge what the market can bear. And the market has been able to bear a $700 price tag (or whatever they're charging). As proof of this, I submit the fact that Adobe is still in business.

    It's fine to whine about MS charging $XXX for products that aren't anywhere near the best tool for any job, but Photoshop is an incredible tool and worth every penny.

  7. Re:YRO? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Do you honestly think this thing will stop counterfitting? What I *do* expect sometime soon is a web page full of images that have nothing to do with counterfitting but which can't be edited with photoshop because of false positives.

    Never assume that a device, law, or drug does exactly what it's supposed to do, and nothing else.

  8. Re:YRO? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the point is that including anti-counterfitting measures in a product that is designed ostensibly to touch up photo's is both ridiculous and inappropriate.

    Counterfeiting is specifically illegal, and is Not Our Right Anywhere, I did not see any suggestion or insinuation that it ought to be. However, having to pay a "big brother tax" for ill-conceived or impossible to implement "crime prevention" features is an idea that many find offensive.

    On the other hand, while almost everyone I know uses photoshop, almost no one I know has actually paid for it, or could afford it. Obviously their crime prevention abilities are somewhat limited :)

  9. Re:What were they thinking? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For whom? The $ dependency reaches from the US Government into the taxpayer wallet.
    IOW, maybe we should all buy the rest of the product, as we're already subsidizing it anyway.
    I guess I could warm to the nannyism, if it actually prevented lawbreaking.
    I have no way of knowing, but I Guess the Illegitimate Might Procure something else for their dark deeds.

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  10. Re:YRO? by Asic+Eng · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Get back to me when your govenment mandates that *all* image processing software *must* include that feature

    Hmmm - but do you think the right time to complain about things like that, is when they already made their way into the law? It seems it might be more effective to make your concerns known earlier than that.