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Photoshop Fails At Counterfeit Prevention

JediDan writes "Wired reports that the 'Anti-counterfeiting provisions in the latest version of Adobe Systems' flagship product have proven little more than a speed bump, but company representatives insist that including them was the right thing to do.' Kevin Connor, Adobe's director of product management for professional digital imaging said, 'As a market leader and a good corporate citizen, this just seems like the right thing to do.' Maybe if they didn't spend R&D time and money on useless features, their products would be more affordable."

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  1. Mismanaged resources by Trigun · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe if they didn't spend R&D time and money on useless features, their products would be more affordable.

    Maybe they should just skip the product and go directly to printing the money.

    1. Re:Mismanaged resources by Frymaster · · Score: 5, Funny
      all your periods seemed to have been replaced with ":D"

      my suggestion: stop using that dvorak keyboard.

  2. My grandmother is a $20 bill? by The+I+Shing · · Score: 5, Funny

    "From Adobe's standpoint, all we're concerned about really is that it doesn't have a performance impact on customers, that it's stable and doesn't cause crashes and that it's not going to produce false positives -- that it's going to tell someone that a picture of someone's grandmother is a $20 bill," Connor said.

    That's good, because there's nothing like having a top-of-the-line imaging program tell you that your grandmother looks like Andrew Jackson. Yikes!

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    1. Re:My grandmother is a $20 bill? by been42 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's good, because there's nothing like having a top-of-the-line imaging program tell you that your grandmother looks like Andrew Jackson. Yikes!

      Somewhere, Bea Arthur's grandson sheds a silent tear as he tries to scan family pictures.

  3. Photoshop's real purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's all forget about counterfeiting, and concentrate on Photoshop's real purpose: pasting celebrities' heads on nude bodies.

  4. not like we haven't seen this before by fugu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    great, another protection mechanism that's easily sidestepped by the real crooks but manages to irritate legitimate users

    1. Re:not like we haven't seen this before by LearnToSpell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe you want to use it in a project. Maybe you collect money. Maybe you want to sell it on eBay. There are a million different reasons, and throwing that legitimate in there is pretty dumb. Why should 99% of law-abiding citizens care about cameras in the streets?

    2. Re:not like we haven't seen this before by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The last time this feature was mentioned, someone cracked a joke about rap album covers. While a small niche, scanning money for non-counterfeit purposes is certainly not out of the question. Beyond making a dorky rap album cover, I might also want to make a parody of said genre, or even (gasp!) make novelty bills with my picture in the center. All of these are completely legit uses for scanning and manipulating currency, and the anti-counterfeiting software is ignoring the fact that (as far as I understand) getting passable paper is the toughest part of the equation.

  5. Re:What were they thinking? by mutewinter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmm sounds just like software companies that are conned into spending boatloads of money on elaberate copy-protection schemes which are broken in days instead of hours.

  6. R&D time and money? by ZiZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article says the counterfeit detection scheme was provided to them as a black-box piece of code. They didn't even develop it, and don't actually have any idea what it does or how it works! (Didn't a previous article include a fairly detailed explanation? Something about circles in the blue channel or something? Their solution? Request approved images directly from the government.

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  7. See old /. comment for how it works by bartash · · Score: 5, Informative

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  8. totally sweet! by fjordboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's awesome...let me fire up my dot matrix printer and I'll be in the money in no time! Woo!

  9. What R&D money? by Sklivvz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: The inner workings of the counterfeit deterrence system are so secret that not even Adobe is privy to them. The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group provides the software as a black box without revealing its precise inner workings, Connor said.

    So Adobe just plugged in an OCX in their program or something similarly easy. It's not this "feature" that bloats the price tag, I'm afraid.

    Also, why all this secrecy on the "inner workings" of the software, when it's so easily circumvented (e.g. copy and paste from another app)? Why should scanning money be illegal? It's ridiculous - it's like banning knives because they could be dangerous. It's not the technology, it's the use you make of it. I don't understand why politicians fail to understand this simple concept: technology is not evil or good, it does not pose new moral problems. It's always the same problems, just with a different twist in the details.

  10. It's a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The fact that Adobe's products aren't affordable is yet another anti-counterfeiting feature. Users who can afford Photoshop have more money (and thus less need to counterfeit) than the general population.

    The next version promises to be even less affordable, to the degree that no matter how rich you are, you'll have to counterfeit money just to buy it--thus ensuring that you don't use it to make the counterfeits!

  11. Photography boards by mtrupe · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I am an amatuer photographer. Its really funny how just about EVERYONE I know who is into photography has a copy of photoshop. Hmmm... They can't afford a new $500 flash, but they can afford $500 for Photoshop.

    Its obvious to me the Photoshop is way, way overpriced. Now, Adobe is free to charge whatever they want for it, but the average Joe is not willing to dump $500 on software.

    True, counterfeiting software is not a "right", but its bound to happen when companies overcharge. Why do you think people are so quick to download music and copy CDs?

  12. Re:Considered they might have been pushed? by sqlrob · · Score: 5, Informative

    The poster just didn't RTFA

    "The anti-counterfeit software in Photoshop CS was developed by the Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group, an organization established by the governors of the G-10 central banks to promote the use of anti-counterfeit devices in the computer industry....The inner workings of the counterfeit deterrence system are so secret that not even Adobe is privy to them. The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group provides the software as a black box without revealing its precise inner workings, Connor said."

  13. Re:Considered they might have been pushed? by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The Central Bank Counterfeit Deterrence Group provides the software as a black box without revealing its precise inner workings

    How comfortable would you be using a "counterfeit deterrence system" that you had no idea how it works. Makes you wonder if it also has the capability to "phone home" when someone tries to make anything remotely resembling a banknote, or whether there are back doors.

  14. Re:YRO? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the point is that including anti-counterfitting measures in a product that is designed ostensibly to touch up photo's is both ridiculous and inappropriate.

    Counterfeiting is specifically illegal, and is Not Our Right Anywhere, I did not see any suggestion or insinuation that it ought to be. However, having to pay a "big brother tax" for ill-conceived or impossible to implement "crime prevention" features is an idea that many find offensive.

    On the other hand, while almost everyone I know uses photoshop, almost no one I know has actually paid for it, or could afford it. Obviously their crime prevention abilities are somewhat limited :)

  15. digital counterfeiting on the rise? by morcheeba · · Score: 5, Informative

    Between 1995 and 2002, the proportion of counterfeit bills that were digitally created grew from 1 percent to 40 percent

    Correction: The proportion of counterfeit bills detected grew. I'm guessing that digital copies aren't as good as what the professionals use, and they're more easily detected -- the well made bills stay in circulation. Here's a cool pdf from the GAO that illustrates many types of counterfeits, including the superdollar.

  16. $150,000 in R&D Dollars Flushed Down the Toile by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny
    You can talk about copy protection all you want, but if the bits can be displayed by your machine, some wise-ass kid in Sweden will figure out how break your copy protection in next to no-time, completely destroying your R&D "Investment." Those wise-ass kids in Sweden are like badgers, they'll just keep gnawing on the problem until they solved it. The harder you try to make it for them to solve, the harder they'll try to figure it out. You may as well just xor all the data with the name of the CEO's poodle and save yourself the money.

    Development effort for protection scheme: $150,000
    Cost in added crypo components (100,000 units): $1.2 Million
    Look on CEO's face when some kid in Sweden breaks the copy protection 12 hours before the product is officially released: Priceless

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  17. Re:What were they thinking? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For whom? The $ dependency reaches from the US Government into the taxpayer wallet.
    IOW, maybe we should all buy the rest of the product, as we're already subsidizing it anyway.
    I guess I could warm to the nannyism, if it actually prevented lawbreaking.
    I have no way of knowing, but I Guess the Illegitimate Might Procure something else for their dark deeds.

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  18. Re:What were they thinking? by sacherjj · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lots of artist use images of money, legally, in creation of their artwork. Therefore fighting counterfitting is a way to keep them from being able to do their job. You think that average graphics artist has the time to wait for a 2-3 week response for an image they can use when putting together something? Get real. It is legal to scan and use money in the US. It is illegal to print it in a form that looks like real money and if within 75% to 150% of real size. It is not illegal to print a piece of artwork that incorporates an image of money as part of the composition.

    It seems like, from the backlash and speed problems of Photoshop CS, Photoshop 7 will be around for quite a while to come.

  19. Re:GIMP plugin? by pla · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not familiar with this five dot pattern. Could you tell me where I could find an example of it? Either on the web or on the currency itself.

    Sure... Check out this image (warning, a PDF)...

    On the 10 Euro note pictured, you can see the pattern VERY well, as the author connected the relevant 5-dot groupings with green lines.

    It looks vaguely like the Cingular logo, IMO, or perhaps a little headless stick-figure.

    On the US $20, the pattern appears using the zeros from the repeated background "20"s, or so I've read (I haven't personally verified it).