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Mozilla 1.6 Released
Jack Comics writes "Asa Dotzler of the Mozilla Foundation has announced this evening the release of Mozilla 1.6. The Mozilla 1.6 release notes can be found here."
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ya, most ppl out there that I met don't know what's 'Mozilla' nor its relation with Netscape the browser. Most companies still build IE only websites, some better ones build IE+Netscape, but Mozilla still remains to be the 'underground'.
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More promotions, either by the press or by us
The browser wars have already been won.
FireBird has beaten IE and we are just waiting for the inertia to bury the old stalwart.
Are you telling me that you aren't waiting with baited breath for tonights nightly 0.8 build that really says 0.7+ in it?
The fact that there are nightly builds and every week a couple of builds optimised for Athlon/P4 or older processors should entice you to at least try it, free of charge, and see if it actually works for you.
Most people that have tried it are still trying it, and a fair number of us have it as default browser.
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
You've forgotten the best part about using Firebird & Thunderbird:
your email program doesn't crash when your browser does.
Moz itself doesn't crash that often, but plugins brought it down several times per day for me. A serious flaw in the design IMHO.
Firebird is a great browser about to hit 0.8 and stepping closer towards the great 1.0 release that took Mozilla years to obtain.
Well, yeah, but you have to consider Firebird uses the Gecko rendering engine, the same as Mozilla. Having a pre-written rendering engine wasn't an advantage enjoyed by Mozilla.
Thunderbird is still in need of lots of work, but the progress is fantastic and I exclusively use it even in its immature state.
I've been using it across Linux, Windows, and MacOS X, and I haven't had a single problem with it. I'm not really sure how much more work it needs, since it seems pretty clean of bugs, unless they're planning on adding some more features.
I hope not. Creeping featuritis has been the death of too many fine pieces of software that were fine just the way they were.
Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
"Are you a web coder? What are you waiting for?"
Users to stop using IE.
I've been toying with XUL for a while now and am cozing up with 'Rapid Application Development with Mozilla'. Fantasic read, but the one thing that really sticks in my craw is the total lack of organized documentation.
The *only* way a 'platform'/language will be widely adopted is by making it accessible to Joe Coder. Just take a look at PHP, it's not always the best language, but has a *huge* user base, primarily because it's well documented.
Yes, there are now thousands of 'developers' writing crappy code, but dammit, at least they're pushing it to their clients, friends, family the neighbour's dog. Evangelism (sic) is the root of success.
Leo
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
Should be prepackaged with various popular plugins like Flash and Shockwave.
I've reccomended firebird to all of my windows-using, non tech-savvy friends and they love it, but they wouldn't have done it without my encouragement because it was such a pain to redownload so many plugins.
People are lazy. Lazy people buy(in the loose sense of the word, since the software's free) convenience.
~To choose doubt as a philosophy of life is akin to choosing immobility as a means of transportation. -Yann Martel
"From what I've been reading, more people are interested in the suite over the *birds than originally anticipated, so they'll be keeping it around for a while."
Grrrr. This is a pet peeve of mine. Why do so many people find the word "suite" to be synonymous with "monolithic app"? There's absolutely no reason. The suite can consist of the *birds where each component runs in its own process space. There are plenty of other tightly coupled suites out there that do this very well. Why would anybody want to run it all in one process space? It was a fundamental architectural mistake made by Netscape a decade ago, and just pure foolishness when the open source Mozilla team copied it!
As far as most users are concerned, they click an icon on their desktop (or in the app) for whatever they want to do, be it browsing, mail, IRC, calendaring, etc. A window appears and they do their thing. Why does it matter if that window comes from the same process or not? It doesn't. In fact, it's preferable if it doesn't. Crashes, or blocking actions won't tie up or interfere with the other process(es) (which is a major problem with the current suite).
Once the *birds implement the same functionality from a UI and extensions perspective, and the same integration with each of the other components as the current suite, there is no reason to continue with this monolithic monstrousity. I like the Mozilla products. I use the components (mostly mail/news and browser), I want the suite. I don't want a monolithic single process app.
We're always so fast to make excuses for shortcomings in open source products yet woe the commercial one that has a bug for it is "teh sux".
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
Bottom-posting is more useful to outsiders to the discussion, since they can follow the temporal flow of response and reply. However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion, since they presumably already know who's saying what, and therefore it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP. They can scroll down to get context if necessary.
Please, don't turn top-posting into yet ANOTHER religious issue... We don't need more of them.
I've reported dozens of bugs over my three years of using Mozilla, and about half of those bugs (mainly the more serious ones that others have voted for) have been fixed. In one case, I fixed the bug myself just a week or two after I reported it. Unless you fix it yourself or get some indication that others think it's serious, it will likely be years before your pet bug is fixed. There are just too many other bugs that are more important.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
However, top-posting is more convenient for those enagaging in the discussion
In my e-mail messages, Usenet posts, and message board posts, I prefer middle-posting: trim down the quoted context and insert a response to each point immediately after each piece of quoted context. I have written this very comment in middle-posting style.
it's better to have the most up-to-date information at the TOP.
In a proper middle-posting reply, the first piece of "most up-to-date information" will typically appear above the fold (definition) because the poster has trimmed the context.
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I like to have my email, newsgroups, and browser running at all time.
:(
Also, Prefbar only seems to work with Mozilla.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Firebird has won the browser wars? That's quite the statement to say, since it seems IE still has a good ~85% chunk of the market. I think it still needs to carve quite a big piece out of Microsoft's share before we can start claiming any victories.
"Each time you smile, it'll only last awhile. Life may be scary, but it's only temporary."
The 'suite' has taken 2 years to get to the current stage. The 'birds' want to start from scratch for some unknown reason. Why would any sane person want to go thru the pain of bugs nobody wants to fix again?
Seriously, Gecko is mature, but I wouldnt say the Mozilla GUI is completely polished yet. So many visual problems that nobody wants to fix because they don't change any of their windows settings.
When the birds get to about 1.1 some smartass will think it's a good idea to make another browser from scratch.
That's how broken the bug system is. Nobody is 'responsible' for boring bugs, and thye just get put in a corner to rot for 3yrs.
Some of us wish that Firebird had multiple processes so that a crash in one window wouldn't wipe out the other 4 windows with half a dozen tabs each....
(A habit that you form once you have a tabbed browser...)
Thunderbird 0.4 has worked well for me for the last month (replaced Moz 1.4). It's finished enough that it's useable for me at least.
Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
I've tried both, and while I love Fire/Thunderbird, I'm sticking to the Suite until the Firebird developers get their heads out of their respective asses and fix the CTRL-ENTER/ALT-ENTER idiocy.
In Mozilla, when you CTRL-click a link, a new tab opens. When you press CTRL-T, a new tab opens. When you enter a URL and press CTRL-ENTER, a new tab opens, as it should.
In Firebird, all is the same, except when you press CTRL-ENTER, whatever URL you've entered changes into www.URL.com (e.g. www.slashdot.org.com) and overwrites whatever webpage you have in your current tab. You're supposed to press ALT-ENTER, because that's the way fucking Internet Explorer does it.
It wouldn't be so bad, if it were possible to change the key bindings. But I guess Firebird developers are only targetting IE users.
And that's acceptable? To recreate your profile directory every time? To reinstall browser plug-ins/extensions? To uninstall the old version each time? (And yes, you will need to uninstall the old version, unless you're content to have a zillion different versions sitting on your hard drive simultaneously.)
The upgrade process needs to be easier.
Note: Firebird is meant to be a stripped down browser, but extensible for those who want additional functionality. Thus, I will refer you to many extensions you need to install.
1.) When a link has a target=_blank it opens a new browser instead of a new tab. Cannot express how much this annoys me.
Get Tabbrowswer Extensions
2.) You cannot save a series of tabs to always open everytime you restart the browser.
Again, Tabbrowser Extensions
3.) Can't disable gif animation.
Several ways to do this, but my favorite is the Things they left out extension. Adds in some missing 'zilla pref pages.
4.) Cannot turn on the tab bar by default or always have it on
Can't help you here, don't know what you mean.
5.) Doesn't have zoom feature or a "always use my stylesheet" feature like opera (this is incredibly handy when dealing with sites that insist on impossible-to-read-text)
You can hack your stylesheets, but I'm sure there's an extension or bookmarklet that allows you to override your stylesheet.
6.) cannot change it's indentity like you can in Opera to, say, IE 6.xx -- this is becoming less and less of a deal as fewer websites I go to at least "require" IE 6.x.
Check out User Agent Switcher, or a number of other extensions that change your UA.
HTH
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Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target.
A dumb patent is a dumb patent, and should be overturned as a matter of principle, no matter who it advantages tactically. Dumb patents in general are a threat to open source. Actually, they are a threat to anyone wanting to make good software.
My Karma: ran over your Dogma
StrawberryFrog
Extensions fscking rule.
What makes you think extensions are Firebird-only?
There have been extensions for Mozilla long before any of the developers even dreamed about Phoenix. Good ones work in both browsers.
> Why do so many people find the word "suite" to be synonymous with
> "monolithic app"?
Because most of the components of the suite are not available as *birds yet.
Navigator (if the browser itself is all you use) can be replaced with Firebird,
and the truly adventurous can replace Messenger with Thunderbird, and Composer
(which to me was never useful anyway) is I *think* available as a Thunderbird
extension, but that's about it. Sunbird last I checked is so far a non-starter,
and then there are the other components... where are they in the *bird series?
They remain... unimplemented. Okay, I think DOM inspector is available as a
Firebird extension, but then you can only use it to inspect Firebird; you
cannot, for example, use it to look at the Thunderbird XUL (for theming
purposes). So, basically, the *birds are still lacking that.
It's not the monolithicity of SeaMonkey that keeps people using it; it's the
fact that it's essentially *complete* (well, except for Messenger, which is
still missing quite a number of critical features, but that's another thread).
The *birds are still very alpha; there are whole *categories* of features
that nobody has even *looked* at implementing in them yet.
If all you want is the browser, Firebird can be used as a replacement for
Navigator (though to get the full functionality of Navigator you have to
install about twenty extensions and a small handful of minor things are
still not up to snuff), but if you use the SeaMonkey whole suite, there is
no non-monolithic replacement available yet from Mozilla.org.
That is why people continue to use SeaMonkey.
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.