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Mozilla 1.6 Released

Jack Comics writes "Asa Dotzler of the Mozilla Foundation has announced this evening the release of Mozilla 1.6. The Mozilla 1.6 release notes can be found here."

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  1. Keep 'em coming... by natron+2.0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    More security fixes and the ability to reload the source view...nice.

    1. Re:Keep 'em coming... by brasten · · Score: 5, Informative

      From what I've been reading, more people are interested in the suite over the *birds than originally anticipated, so they'll be keeping it around for a while.

      However, most developers working on the suite are focused primarily on the Gecko engine, with very little work being done on the front-end of things. Since the *birds are obviously Gecko-based as well, they are essentially being worked on by most Mozilla developers, even if indirectly. So it's not like the *birds are missing out on much development effort.

    2. Re:Keep 'em coming... by bluephone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try this: http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.ht ml#generated_source It's a bookmarklet that takes the current page, and shows you it's source in a new window, without reloading. It's not the EXACT source from the server though, it's the cleaned up onebeing displayer. It's as close as we get, currently.

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    3. Re:Keep 'em coming... by badmonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      I just read yesterday in the firebird documentation that it has a 250 millisecond pause built in before rendering so as to not have to reflow the page as much as bytes stream in. It can be deactivated as in the instructions here
      So that'll make it a little faster I think

    4. Re:Keep 'em coming... by bluGill · · Score: 2, Informative

      In addition to the above comments: that is what fork() is for. I know Mozilla runs on Windows which doesn't have fork (at least it didn't last I checked, I don't know what posix services provides windows though), but why should I suffer on unix which does.

    5. Re:Keep 'em coming... by swv3752 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a win2k machine at work with Moz 1.4 and IE6. I think it is a P3 700mhz 512mb RAM.

      Trying the parent's mailing list- Moz -9 secs to load. IE- 15secs. We have a caching web proxy on a fast pipe. I tried Moz first.

      Click a message then go back- Moz 2secs, IE 2secs.

      IE does start displaying content faster but the complete load is from cache takes nearly identical amount of time. Seems to me that performance is adequate.

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    6. Re:Keep 'em coming... by Vincman · · Score: 2, Informative

      goto your current firebird-profile and create or edit a file called: user.js

      enter this:

      // This one makes a huge difference. Last value in milliseconds (default is 250)
      user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

      in the file and save it.

      Other speed-improving tweaks to be added to the same file are:

      // Enable pipelining:
      user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);
      user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);
      user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);

      // turn on timer-based reflow management
      user_pref("content.notify.ontimer", true);

      // sets the allowed time between reflows in microseconds
      user_pref("content.notify.interval", 100);

      // set the number of reflows to do before waiting for the rest of the page to arrive
      user_pref("content.notify.backoffcount", 200);

      More tips, extensions and themes for firebird can be found on http://texturizer.net/firebird/

  2. But No One's mentioned the most important feature by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 4, Informative
    As listed in the Release notes mozilla's greatest feature yet:
    One step closer to the kitchen sink, about:about has been implemented. Typing about:about in the address field will give the user a nice list of available about:s.
    By the way, if you haven't yet, if you use mozilla, you need to check out about:mozilla
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  3. use the mirrors by a.koepke · · Score: 5, Informative

    When downloading this you should have a look at the mirrors list and find one near you.

    http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html

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  4. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by obotics · · Score: 2, Informative

    Better yet, check out about:mozilla in Internet Explorer ;-)

  5. Mirrors by DerOle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Find a mirror here as the main download server is already dead.

  6. Re:Mozilla and popups by Photon+Ghoul · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most people stick with what they are used to. Even when pop-up blocking is given as a feature of Mozilla to users that suffer from excessive pop-up ads, most still seem to prefer using the IE (or Windows?) add-ons that stop them.

    Side-thought: I have no experience with IE pop-up blockers, but it would seem like a very effective method for spreading malware. Maybe that's just the old tin-foil hat I'm feeling.

  7. Mozilla is great, but I stopped using it today... by DaedalusLogic · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because Firebird plays nicely "out of the box" so to speak with MS Outlook, and my customers want that. I know it's a horrible notion to some the overall goal is to convert folks on using these pieces of OSS has to be gentle and user friendly. Business users get Firebird suggested to them and home users Mozilla. I haven't touched IE for daily browsing in a couple years now thanks to these awesome browsers.

  8. Re:Why the need to uninstall onld versions to upgr by falsification · · Score: 3, Informative
    That is not quite right

    If you plan to install 1.6 to the same subdirectory in which you have 1.2, yes, you should uninstall 1.2 before installing 1.6.

    If you plan to install 1.6 to a brand spanking new subdirectory, you need not uninstall 1.2. You should always use different profiles for different versions of Mozilla.

    BTW, you should uninstall 1.2 anyway. It has major bugs. In terms of stability, version 1.4.1, for instance, is to 1.2 as a granite rock is to gray goo.

  9. Re:You don't need TORRENT links by mhesseltine · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read the intro to Bittorrent and then understand why torrent links were requested.

    BitTorrent does not always equal warez/moviez/gamez/etc. This would be a prime example of a legitimate use for the software.

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  10. Re:It doesn't work for me by cribb · · Score: 3, Informative

    if you,re on linux, tip: delete your ~/.mozilla, make sure you backup your bookmarks and all your other profile stuff, since it's all stored there. that should convince 1.6 to work.

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  11. NTLM and Proxy Server by falsification · · Score: 4, Informative
    If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.

    For the first time, Mozilla will work on many corporate networks.

  12. Re:Anybody have torrent links? by f0rt0r · · Score: 2, Informative

    Edonkey has it. :) I actually use emule on Windows XP to access the Overture ( I think that is the name) network. Lots of legal stuff there. Plenty.

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  13. Re:Worth upgrading? by welshsocialist · · Score: 2, Informative

    There was a bug in the 1.4-1.5 timeframe with rising GDI levels caused Mozilla to fail. I'm thinking you were effected. See Mozilla Bug 204374 and this thread at Antony Shen's forums.

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  14. Re:Mozilla and popups by nighty5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google Bar is a most excellent way to curb the abusive use of popups, whilst still providing you the flexibility to customise against trusted URLs.
    Also has a neat Google search.
    Win32 Only.

  15. Re:I don't understand their QA process by maggotbrain_777 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are running one of their interim builds, there is a QA menu item built-in which details the QA process and other sordid details(i.e. how to submit a bug, daily CVS checkin status, etc.). Otherwise you can read more about the moz QA process here Mozzila QA Home Page

  16. Posting from Firebird/Win2K... by frostman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here I post from Firebird/Win2K, and for what it's worth:

    1. Firebird crashes about twice a week, and I have to kill the process before I can relaunch.

    2. Sometimes my Bookmarks Toolbar icons mysteriously disappear, only to be regenerated when I revisit the sites.

    3. Handling of unknown character sets is a Bad Joke.

    4. Plug-in loading is pretty spotty.

    5. There is no obvious indicator of Javascript errors on sites; I have to open the JS console when I suspect an error.

    6. It's kinda slow to start on my slower computer (TransMeta 800Mhz), though it's snappy on my faster one (Duron 1.2Ghz).

    7. It's still the best browser I've ever used, and I would tear out my hair if I had to live without it.

    Go Firebird!!

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  17. Re:Worth upgrading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Yes. It is.

  18. Re:Am I the only one... by el-spectre · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Godzilla" is a poor translation to english. The original japanese name sounded like "Gojira". It's entirely possible the dude was playing on that.

    Ah, the courage and wisdom of AC.

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  19. Eolas and Mozilla? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 5, Informative

    I submitted this story today, but as usual, since I am not a friend of the /. Editors, they shot it down big time (within minutes of when I submitted it), but I'm not bitter (that's a joke, OK?)! The guy from Eolas who brought the action against Microsoft about his browser patent, is in talks with "major Linux players." In fact, according to the eWeek story (rejected by /.), he's an Open Source contributor. Read between the lines, because this bodes VERY well for Mozilla. While W3 and Microsoft are hemming and hawing about what this kind of patent meant to them, and it means something very bad for Internet Explorer, I suspect Mozilla will not be a target. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but "what if" this guy is into Open Source, and saw a nice way to screw MS? I know, "so what, he still has a patent for something that is obvious and should not be patented." Well, my position is just the same as with SCO / IMB. Lessor of two evils, and my enemies' enemy is my friend (for now).

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  20. And any moment now.... by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 4, Informative

    As outlined in the Mozilla project roadmap , the Mozilla Firebird browser will eventually replace the Seamonkey browser as the premiere end-user browser from mozilla.org. As part of the journey towards that goal, from milestone 0.7 onward Firebird 0.x releases will occur at the same time (or approximately the same time). Firebird Roadmap

    Yes, you heard it right. This release of Mozilla is significant ALSO in that it heralds an impending release of FireBird.

    Of course, Firebird 0.8 was due out December 2003, so we're overdue for that anyways.

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  21. Re:But No One's mentioned the most important featu by ocelotbob · · Score: 4, Informative
    A rough interpretation:
    And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced.
    AOL's killing of the netscape brand as a web browser, and the subsequent laying off of the dev team.
    But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them.
    The rebirth of the Mozilla project as a non-profit and the rebirth of Mozilla as separate browser and mail components.
    For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
    Ph33r Mozilla ;3 .
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  22. Re:Am I the only one... by Onan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, to be really pedantic, there isn't a sound that maps directly to either the English R or L, there's a single sound that's about halfway in between the two. Hence the tendency of Japanese speakers to swap them in both directions; to someone who has spoken only Japanese, it seems like an arcane distinction between two tiny variants of the same sound.

    Romanji tends to transcribe the sound as R, but they're both equally accurate.

  23. Re:NTLM and Proxy Server by thegrommit · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you have Microsoft Proxy Server or some other NTLM proxy at work or wherever, take a good hard look at 1.6. It's the first Mozilla version to have a built-in NTLM solution.

    It's been available in Windows builds for quite a while (since at least 1.4). The key difference is that the new method is cross-platform.

  24. Re:Mozilla Growing by bunratty · · Score: 3, Informative
    Most companies still build IE only websites, some better ones build IE+Netscape
    It's rare for me to visit a web site that doesn't work perfectly or near perfectly in Mozilla. Today I ran across one for the first time in about a year. It uses document.all for navigation, which means that users must be running IE or Opera and also must have JavaScript enabled for links to work. When the developers finally realize that over 20% of visitors can't navigate their site, I think they'll quickly fix it.
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  25. Courier IMAP mailbox view finally fixed by iceT · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm so happy, I could just SPIT.

    IMAP servers like Courier that store everything under INBOX (INBOX. namespace) FINALLY get displayed as a flat tree structure!

    Thank you, Mozilla Team!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

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    1. Re:Courier IMAP mailbox view finally fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Uh, Server Settings : Advanced : IMAP Server Directory = "INBOX" has always worked for me (Cyrus).

  26. Re:Any news on AmiZilla? by StarWreck · · Score: 2, Informative

    That seems to be highly doubtful, the Commodore 64 only has a 1MHz 6510 processor and 64K ram, upgradeable to a 20MHz SuperCPU with 16mb ram. The Amiga on the other hand can be upgraded to Dual Processors (233MHz PPC and 50MHz 68K) with an additional 128mb of ram. Hell, if you're feeling extra giddy you can even get an additional SharkPPC accelerator that gives you an extra 450MHz G4 processor and AGP graphics(9800 XT anyone?). Just in case you were wondering, all 3 processors can process seperate threads at the exact same time. Isn't that amazing? Yep, the Amiga's dead all right.

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  27. MOD DOWN - TROLL! by phalse+phace · · Score: 2, Informative
    Why was this moded "Insightful?" I originally posted this back on December 10. This person is ripping off people's post to get modded up. Mod this guy DOWN!

    Yes, I know this is off-topic, but this needs to be addressed.

  28. Re:Any news on AmiZilla? by lortho · · Score: 2, Informative

    A lot of people don't realize that this actually is half-serious... the foundation originally offered about $4000 to anyone who could successfully port Mozilla to the Amiga, and the sum has steadily grown since.

  29. Re:awesome by PReDiToR · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thank you AC, I stand corrected and have every intention of remembering this lesson.
    Please, log in and say hi, so I can add you to my friends list. It would be interesting to see if you can teach me anything else.

    bate1 (P) Pronunciation Key (bt)
    tr.v. bated, bating, bates
    1. To lessen the force or intensity of; moderate: To his dying day he bated his breath a little when he told the story (George Eliot). See Usage Note at bait1.
    2. To take away; subtract.

    [Middle English baten, short for abaten. See abate.]
    Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

    bated

    \Bat"ed\, a. Reduced; lowered; restrained; as, to speak with bated breath. --Macaulay.


    Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
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  30. Re:Now if only a galeon 1.2.x worked with it.... by SumDog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you tried a recent release of 1.3.x? It's gottan a whole lot better and has most of the functionality of the old gtk1 galeon browser.

    SumDog

  31. Re:Cool.. what about SVG? by khanyisa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have a look at the svg project page (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/) Basically, not for quite a while yet, but feel free to help out!

  32. Re:My favorite new feature by seasleepy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yup, it's in Thunderbird.

    From the 0.4 release notes: "POP Accounts now support aging on the server."
    At least I'm assuming that's what that refers to. I do know from experience that it is in TB though. Super handy for keeping the mailbox tidy.

  33. Kill Flash Ads by Plugh · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you haven't yet, RUN, DON'T WALK to http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ and install PrefBar.

    "Kill Flash" is the most sexy, beautiful button ever made. Thank you, PrefBar guys. You rock.

    For those who don't know: this little button removes the last annoying traces of advertising from the web, and IMHO is a necessary addition to the wonderful standard Mozilla capabilities "Block unrequested pop-ups" and "Block Images from this server"

  34. Re:Am I the only one... by bugbread · · Score: 2, Informative

    Time for me to be pedantic: romaji, not romanji. But good post.

  35. Re:Why the need to uninstall onld versions to upgr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    It's possible to export your ad rules.
    1. Adblock Preferences
    2. Adblock Options
    3. Export filters
    After reinstalling, follow the same procedure and choose Import filters.
  36. Re:Anybody have torrent links? by JWhitlock · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although the main site was completely unresponsive, and the primary mirrors as well, quite a few of the secondary mirrors were pretty good. The progeny link worked for me.

  37. Re:Am I the only one... by fbg111 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's also no "zi" sound; that's pronounced as "ji" even though it is occasionally written "zi."

    Actually there's no "ji" sound either. Again, the Japanese pronunciation doesn't map to any English syllable. In English, we say "ji" with our tongue at the roof of our mouth. In Japanese they say it with their tongue at the very front of their mouth, right behind their front teeth gums. It sounds more like a mix of the English sounds "zi" and "ji". The Hepburn romanization uses the letters "ji" to denote this mora (one beat, roughly equivalent to a syllable), but because of that, every English speaker who learned Japanese under that system is speaking with a gaizin accent.

    Newer systems such as the Jordan romanization (Eleanor Harz Jordan) attempt to correct this problem by using the letters "zi" to represent the mora, but with the disclaimer that "zi" is not the correct sound either and is only used to remind learners not to say "ji". The correct sound is actually a combination of "zi" and "ji" pronounced with the tongue at the front of the mouth.

    Once you understand that, then it doesn't really matter how you romanize "Mozilla", whether it's "mojira" or "mozira", since you know that in this case neither mora "zi" nor "ji" is a phonetic spelling, but rather a symbolic representation of a sound that doesn't exist in English. The spelling only matters as a reminder for learners who have not yet mastered the new sound.

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  38. Re:Firebird.. by bwalling · · Score: 2, Informative

    One of the big pains with Firebird (on Windows) is Java. You have to add a registry entry to get the Java plug in working. Not good for the end user.

  39. Re:Fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Yes, it was written from scratch at Netscape, but it predates the Mozilla project.

    No, it doesn't. Gecko was developed by netscape developers after the mozilla project was started. The original intention of the mozilla project was to adapt ns4 to support web standards. When they realised it would be faster to rewrite the engine from scratch, they did. Then when they noticed the new engine was powerful enough to do the entire UI, not just the webpages, they rewrote the UI. It was a sort of cascade effect. Once the engine rewrite decision was made, it cascaded into rewriting everything. They still aimed for netscape 4 equivalency for mozilla 1.0, which at the time seemed smart, but in hindsight was not one of the brightest ideas, since netscape 4's design, though reasonable for the age it was created in, was horribly outdated by the time mozilla 1.0 was released. Hence the need for firebird, thunderbird, and so on.

    If you don't believe me, the source code for netscape was released (and the mozilla project started) march 31st 1998. The NGLayout project (which resulted in gecko) was started late 1998.

  40. Re:Who uses the suite? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Since the GRE (gecko runtime embedding, causes mozilla-based apps to share the runtime engine) isn't up to snuff yet you're loading two different engines. As a result it's much more efficient to use mozilla than firebird and thunderbird at the same time. Ofcourse, for those who don't use thunderbird (like my evolution-loving ass) firebird instead of mozilla is pretty much a no-brainer.

  41. Re:Mozilla Visual Appeal by lunar_legacy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suggest css Zen garden as a showcase of what can be visually achived by using standard compliant browsers(read Moz/FB).

  42. Re:Fantastic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Gecko was developed by netscape developers after the mozilla project was started... If you don't believe me, the source code for netscape was released (and the mozilla project started) march 31st 1998. The NGLayout project (which resulted in gecko) was started late 1998.

    Monday 26th October 1998 (let's be specific here) was when Mozilla development switched to focus on NGLayout. However, the new rendering engine (originally called Raptor) started as an internal Netscape project in 1997.

  43. Re:Mozilla Growing by Chester+K · · Score: 2, Informative

    When the developers finally realize that over 20% of visitors can't navigate their site

    I think you added an extra 0 that doesn't belong in that percentage value of people who don't use IE.

    As popular as Mozilla, Firebird, Opera, Konqueror, and whatever other browsers are popular here on Slashdot, all of them combined are but a mere speck on the overall landscape.... Konqueror less so than others since Apple adopted it.

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  44. Re:I don't understand their QA process by BZ · · Score: 2, Informative

    The problem here, quite frankly, is that this is a Windows-only bug and requires someone familiar with Windows and its resource issues to look at it. Most of the core developers don't know much about that stuff (in fact, I think most of them develop on Linux at this point....)