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New Gamepad Designed To Build Muscles?

Robmonster writes "The BBC are reporting a story about a product designed to address both exercise and videogaming in one fell swoop. According to the piece: 'A new type of gamepad from a US fitness equipment company aims to turn the couch potato gamer stereotype on its head. The Kilowatt controller by Powergrid Fitness is designed to build up muscle while playing a PlayStation 2, Xbox or PC game." The article explains: "In a racing game like Gran Turismo, the harder you push on the joystick, the faster a car goes, while pulling back slows down the vehicle."

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  1. White House Approved Lifestyle by Eyah....TIMMY · · Score: 4, Funny

    We might need it as the White House recommends we eat junk food (usually the preffered gaming food) as long as we excercise.

    The World Health Organization recommends eating better but they have probably never played video games.

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    1. Re:White House Approved Lifestyle by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice FUD. The argument is over whether it is possible to be healthy and still eat foods high in sugar or fat. The US position is that diet is dependent on lifestyle and thus occasional splurging is fine for a healthy person if they exercise to burn it off. This is perfectly rational.

      The WHO basically ignored factoring in lifestyle, saying instead that certain diets were optimal for everyone. The WHO isn't wrong, they are just being overly stringent with their guidlines. The US prefers to emphasize that a healthy lifestyle can also be an enjoyable lifestyle.

      I don't see anything wrong with that. Calories are Calories, the only difference is quantity.

    2. Re:White House Approved Lifestyle by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative
      Look, if you want to talk about what the government is doing wrong, you have to look at the Food Pyramid, which codifies a government-sponsored lie in a convenient, triangular symbol. From the page:

      The small tip of the Pyramid shows fats, oils, and sweets. These are foods such as salad dressings and oils, cream, butter, margarine, sugars, soft drinks, candies, and sweet desserts. These foods provide calories and little else nutritionally. Most people should use them sparingly.

      (...)

      At the base of the Food Guide Pyramid are breads, cereals, rice, and pasta - all foods from grains. You need the servings of these foods each day.

      What they neglect to mention is that sugar and white flour might as well be the same thing. It doesn't matter if you consume 50g of carbs from sugar, or from flour, they rapidly become the exact same thing in your body.

      The biggest problem with food in america is that we have a tendency to eat preprocessed food, and preprocessed food tends to have huge amounts of sugar added to it for flavor. Personally, I have always hated overly sweet food, such as the pizza sauce at Domino's... But the fact is, all this extra sugar is making us fat. Any carbohydrates you take in become fat if you don't burn (use) them.

      What you need to read on this topic is a fine article in the NYT by one Gary Taubes entitled "What if it's all been a big fat lie?" Unfortunately, NYT moved that to an archive article and you have to pay $2.95 to read it now, because they are bastards. I mean seriously, I can see a dollar or something, but three bucks? In any case I condensed the article (sharply, I'm afraid) in an article I wrote for Everything2 entitled "How the Government Fattened America". Please be gentle to E2, though it has moved to a new host it is still pretty fragile in terms of overuse.

      One of the important paragraphs from my article runs like so:

      The run up on fat began in earnest in 1977, as a Senate committee led by George McGovern declared that Americans should reduce their fat intake to curb disease, in the report "Dietary Goals for the United States". The National Institutes for Health summarily spent several hundred million dollars trying to prove a link between being fat and contracting heart disease -- which failed. On their sixth try, though, they found something they could use to prove that the previous money had not gone to waste; a study showing reducing cholesterol via drug therapy reduced the risk of some kinds of heart disease.

      The bottom line is that the government tells us to choke down the carbs. A bag of sugar (from C&H) says that "Sugar Contains No Fat" but eating fat doesn't even raise your cholesterol, eating fat mixed with a bunch of carbohydrates does. The emphasis on low-fat diets (which do not work for most people) causes many people to consume more carbohydrates. Problem is, the more carbs you eat, the more glucose ends up in your body at once. Glucose regulates hunger. Your brain will eventually build up a tolerance to it, meaning you have to eat more carbs to feel full. So, then you eat more carbs, which means you become more resistant to glucose - a classic vicious cycle.

      On top of all this, when you consume carbohydrates your pancreas produces insulin as part of the conversion process. The more carbs you take in, the more insulin is produced. The more insulin you produce, the harder your pancreas has to work, and eventually it will give up and you will become a diabetic. How's that for your carb-heavy payoff?

      So, in summation; The government says sugar is bad and other carbs are good, when in fact all carbohydrates (except fiber, which is indigestible, and cleans out your colon) have the same effect on your system. (The less processed they are, however, the slower they are

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  2. not new. by bludstone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its called a dance dance revolution pad, and those have been around for years.

    (I obviously havnt read the article)

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    1. Re:not new. by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 5, Funny

      [whispering] Tommy, I wouldn't mess with him ... he plays video games!

    2. Re:not new. by micromoog · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's way older than that . . . the NES Power Pad showed up in the 80s. It may have encouraged a bit of exercise at first, but kids quickly discovered that if you pushed the pads with your fingers instead of your feet, you could easily make the character run at instant-heart-attack speeds.

  3. This would be more helpful by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This would be more helpful if worked with my everyday system taskes ( build, check logs, ect.. ).

    The faster I ran on this thing, the faster my compile would go. I'd buy it.

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    1. Re:This would be more helpful by Nutt · · Score: 4, Funny

      If that existed I'd give it about a day (max) for someone to post on here a way to hook up a v8 engine to turn/power/whatever the device and be able to compile gentoo with every package in ONLY 15 MINUTES!

  4. I can see it now... by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Geeky gamers with Popeye arms...

    1. Re:I can see it now... by tommck · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought most of them already had Popeye arms from ... well... you know...

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    2. Re:I can see it now... by frodo+from+middle+ea · · Score: 4, Funny

      from pressing CTR-ALT-DEL ?

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    3. Re:I can see it now... by tommck · · Score: 3, Funny

      well, actually I alternate occasionally... it feels like someone else is doing it... :)

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  5. What the hell is this? by AntiOrganic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do these people really think that this is going to have a substantial impact upon the overall fitness level of gamers everywhere? It's not. You want to lose some weight? You stop eating like a fatass and you go outside. We're not even talking Atkins diet here, just "stop eating when you're not hungry, not when you're full." This combined with half an hour of exercise a day is all you need. Mild muscular tension is not an appropriate method of weight loss.

    Why all the gimmickry?

    1. Re:What the hell is this? by canajin56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah...not only is this bs made to make people feel better about not getting any exercise, it's probably BAD for you. I mean, playing video games can give you RSI and so on. Making the joysticks stiffer will just amplify it...instead of repeatedly pushing lightly, you are repeatedly pushing heavily. This will cause a LOT more wrist damage, I would expect.

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    2. Re:What the hell is this? by kiwimate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. I can see this working your muscles somewhat, as you say, and possibly resulting in some minor weight loss. But (and I am speculating here, so correct me if I'm wrong) it seems to me it misses a fairly important component of general health, and that is cardiovascular fitness. I doubt it'd cause much of an elevation in heart rate or get you puffing.

    3. Re:What the hell is this? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      "stop eating when you're not hungry, not when you're full."

      a very un-insightful statement there.

      many people that are overweight do stop eating when they are not hungry. their insulin-intolerance causes a insulin spike to last too long making them hungry too long.

      Maybe if you knew much about the human diet and medical conditions that are common to cause obesiety you would have not made such a stupid remark.

      want to lose weight? go to a doctor and have him/her tell you what YOU need for weightloss and lifestyle changes. only a fool believes the line of yours I quoted.

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    4. Re:What the hell is this? by haystor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A very small minority of people that are obese actually have medical problems that caused them to gain weight. Some do have problems which make it very difficult to stay slim, but there are certain laws of the universe that govern the conservation of mass which imply that if they eat less, they weigh less.

      Most people will just finish the portions they are served.

      Stop being an apologist for all those poor fat people that have everything stacked against them. If they are 5'3" and 270lbs from eating at McDonald's every day, it's not the fault of McDonald's, it's the fault of the person that didn't figure it out when they were 200lbs, then 210, 230, 250, etc...

      Hell, I'm overweight because I sit on my ass all day and eat too much. I finish all my fries even after I'm no longer hungry.

      I read a study once that fat people don't remember what they've eaten as well as thin people.

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  6. This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can give up my total reliance on masterbating for exercise!

    1. Re:This is great by greygent · · Score: 4, Funny

      Still, it's always good to include masturbation as a part of your fitness regime, for a couple reasons:

      1.) It builds strong forearm muscles (Make sure to swap hands, occasionally for equal development of both forearms. Hey, it's "like a new lover!").

      2.) Good for the prostrate and related muscles.

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  8. Please... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is just a gimmick to sell stuff. If you're serious about getting (and staying) fit, put down the controller for half an hour a day (or every other day) and do a physical activity.

    You don't have to go to the gym and work out - you could do a sports activity or even just jog down to the shops and back to get some milk - but it'll be ten times better for you than twiddling your already overdeveloped thumbs.

    Oh, and while you're at it, replace every other can of Coke/Mountain Dew/whatever with a glass of water. Your body will thank you for it.

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    1. Re:Please... by *weasel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd think gyms would pick up on this sort of thing. Network all those exercise bikes into something like a crazy taxi-styled competition.
      Or stairclimbers into some sort of bizarre-o Mega-Man game.

      I feel the patent office calling my name...
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  9. This is silly by Schlemphfer · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You buy a game controller for one reason: to have maximum control in a videogame. Anything that interferes with that, including having to exert unnecessary muscle power, makes for a sucky controller.

    As Butt Head once put it so well, "If I wanted to read, I'd go to school."

    And if I wanted to exercise, I'd go outdoors.

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  10. If you want a workout by ilsie · · Score: 4, Funny

    try playing Soul Calibur II with a Dance Dance Revolution pad.

  11. Re:Nintendo had this in the 80's, it was a flop. by ilsie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    RTFA. The article is about an isometric controller. The Powerpad just had a bunch of buttons. Dont get me wrong, I still think it will be a flop, especially at $700 a pop.

  12. Not really by tuxette · · Score: 4, Insightful
    While aerobic exercise is good for aiding in fat loss, muscle-building exercise is better in the long run, as muscle increases metabolism and fat burning, even when you're not exercising.

    The traditional way of doing aerobics (low impact long duration) only burns fat for the duration of the session but it doesn't do anything for after you have exercised. It has been shown in lots of peer-reviewed studies that high-intensity interval training (mix of sprints and lower intensity running/cycling etc) is superior for fat burning because after a workout session, your body continues to burn fat, whereas you do not achieve this during a low impact low intensity workout.

    One thing to think about - look at sprinters and look at marathon runners. Sprinters are lean and mean. They train for explosive power. Marathon runners on the other hand, while skinny, are rather flabby...

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  13. I tried this thing at CES by ChristopherD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some friends of mine and I took turns trying this device out at CES running Gran Turismo. It looked like all games should work on it, because it has a full complement of PS controls and buttons on it, including dual shoulder buttons. The consensus among the group after using it for a few minutes each? BLECH! I found it unintuitive as to how to move the device to control the car in a specific direction. It sort of made sense, but required hitting one of the gamepad buttons to put the car into reverse or to perform any of the other actions that games require during play. So, that meants that during your "strenuous" workout driving the car around, you would have to jump out of the workout abruptly to get the car back onto the road if you got turned around, then start back up again. I suppose if a game were built specifically for the device, then a continuous workout could be achieved, otherwise I thought it required too much switching between working out and playing the game. Having used this thing and DDR dance pads I can say with certainty that DDR integrates working out with fun gameplay FAR better than this device. If I may quote the horse from classic Ren and Stimpy, "No sir, I don't like it!"

  14. York has a new fitness game for geeks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...called 'Gravity Warrior.' Instead of a joystick, it uses a metallic bar as the gaming device. You load a series of 'mass regulators' onto each end of the game controller. It creates a very dramatic simulation of gravity that is much more realistic than some force feedback joystick. I've played Gravity Warrior until my arms could no longer move! Its most safely played with two players. The post-game ritual includes a series of high-fives and mutual butt slapping irregardless of who actually won the game as show of good sportsmanship. Gravity Warrior gamers greet each other with the secret code words 'whatcha bench?' in sign of community brotherhood.

  15. Why buy? by TheConfusedOne · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just go into the local bar and insult the biggest guy in there.

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  16. This is not a good idea by brundlefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Practically speaking, repetitively working a muscle is NOT the same thing as exercise. Not only is this "exercise" anaerobic, but it also opens up a huge potential for injuries resulting from RSI. Imagine a mouse with a button which required a 1/2-pound of force to click instead of 1/20-ounce. Or a keyboard with such 1/2-pound buttons. We would all be crippled by now if we had been using these instead of our current devices.

  17. Even older... by phorm · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's called pr0n. It's been around for a very long time, and geeks have been exercising their arms with it since near the beginning. Modern versions included usage of such tools as "edonkey" or "newgroups"

  18. Re:BULLSHIT by 3terrabyte · · Score: 3, Informative
    Yep, the American Heart Association (AHA) has their stamp of approval on every Sugar-Flakes cereal in the aisle!! How can you trust anything from them?

    Just because you fortify it, doesn't mean it's healthy!

    The main problem with today's health is the myth that "fat is bad". So they make all this fat-free foods that people gobble up. Their blood sugar spikes from all the carbs and they're hungry again too soon.

    Enriched flour is a terrible misnomer. It means that for the food companies to save money, they've taken wheat, ground it down to a powder, losing all the vitamins. Then fortify it with vitamins, and make cereal, bread, cakes, cookies, and pastas. The bad thing is, it's only 1 step above sugar.

    Complex Carbohydrates, protein, and fat all satiate your hunger for much longer than sugar and simple carbs.

    I'm no Atkins fan, but I did learn a lot from it. I only cut out simple carbs and counted calories when I lost my 150 pounds.

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  19. Re:We need a total body workout by GTRacer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It does not build any muscle.

    Tell that to my legs...my calves and thighs are incredibly toned and solid after many moons of DDR and not much else exercise. I used to have the typical pasty flabby geek legs - now they're pasty beefcake geek legs!

    GTRacer
    - Also uses hand weights to balance out the toning

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  20. Another right handed exercise.. by phelix_da_kat · · Score: 3, Funny
    "In a racing game like Gran Turismo, the harder you push on the joystick, the faster a car goes, while pulling back slows down the vehicle."

    Ok, you get a strong right hand, right arm, right everyting..

    There are other exercises you can do to achieve the same result :-D

    We should stick to Dance Revolution, at least the side effect is that you can pretend to have a fit.

  21. Re:We need a total body workout by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unless you're one of those mythical female geeks, I do not want to hear about what your legs look like.