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Currency Detection Discovered in More Products

netbsd_fan writes "BUGTRAQ is reporting that anti-counterfeiting spyware is being found in more and more products. What is also interesting is that these products block fair uses of currency images which do not break the law. What incentive do printer manufacturers have to treat their customers like criminals? Is this a precursor to DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices?"

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  1. it's a test... by dirtyboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's actually just a test for the true roll-out, which will prevent the reproduction and distribution of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    1. Re:it's a test... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know if this is too new. One guy living in England told some me years ago that you can't photocopy currency on photocopiers. They just come out black.

      In all honesty, I think that something like this is a bad idea because it relieves governments of the responsibility of making currency that is hard to counterfeit. Sooner or later, someone hardcore (probably a crime ring) with their own equipment will come along and duplicate poorly designed currency, making a whole bunch of fake currency that is undetectable.

      This is the same as what's going on with the DMCA. People are afraid to reveal vulnerabilities they have found in software so the things go unpatched, and then someone with a very evil agenda will come along exploit the problems that were not fixed due to silly restrictions.

      The 'release now, patch later' doctrine is widely used in software ... but I would not want to see it applied in something like currency.

    2. Re:it's a test... by Winkhorst · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a former photoengraver and member of the IPEU, now the GCIU, I can assure you that at one time it was illegal to make ANY kind of reproduction of American currency. The rules have now been relaxed a bit, but I personally would never do it. It's just too difficult to prove you weren't trying to counterfeit. My father worked with a fellow who claimed he was just "seeing if he could do it" after someone found a plate he left sitting in the water tank in the etching room overnight. He ended up with a long vacation to Leavenworth, Kansas. This is not a joke, and the Feds have no sense of humor about it at all.

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  2. All ready slow! by nubbie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To: BugTraq
    Subject: HP printers and currency anti-copying measures
    Date: Jan 17 2004 5:10PM
    Author: Richard M. Smith
    Message-ID:

    Hi,

    Last week, the Associated Press reported that Adobe has incorporated
    anti-copying technology in their Photoshop CS software which prevents users
    from opening image files of U.S. and European currency. Here's the article:

    Adobe admits to currency blocker
    http://tinyurl.com/2xnno

    (http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,14 13 ,87~11271~1882929,00.html)

    I did some investigating on my own computer and discovered that HP has also
    been shipping currency anti-copying software in their printer drives since
    at least the summer of 2002. I have an HP 130 photo printer and found the
    string "http://www.rulesforuse.org" embedded in the driver.

    According to a few newsgroup messages posted in 2002 and 2003, folks are
    seeing this URL printed out when they attempt to print images of certain
    types of bills. An HP printer with this anti-copying technology only prints
    out an inch of a currency image before aborting the print job.

    Here is a list of HP printers which appear to have this anti-copy technology
    embedded in their Windows printer drivers:

    HP 130
    HP 230
    HP 7150
    HP 7345
    HP 7350
    HP 7550

    I suspect the list of affected HP printers is much longer.

    I located these printer drivers simply by searching all files in my Windows
    and Program Files directories for the string "rulesforuse". If other folks
    run this same experiment, please let me know of other programs which appear
    to contain currency anti-copy technology.

    There are some unanswered questions raised by this quiet effort by U.S. and
    European governments to turn home computers into anti-counterfeiting "cops":

    1. Besides graphic programs and printer drivers, what
    other kinds of software is this currency anti-copy
    technology being embedded in?

    2. Are companies being required to include currency
    anti-copying technology in their products? If not,
    what incentives are being offered to companies to
    include the technology on a voluntary basis?

    3. Will future versions of this technology, "phone home"
    to the rulesforuse.org Web site with details about
    a violation of the currency copying rules? It would
    be very easy to include an email address, name of the
    image file, software version number, etc. embedded in
    a URL to the rulesforuse.org when a violation has been
    detected.

    Richard M. Smith
    http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com

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    'Go for the eyes, Boo, go for the eyes, aaarrrrrrrr!' -- Minsc
  3. What incentive?!?!? by koreth · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, first of all, the government has a compelling...

    Hey, look! Over there! A terrorist!

    What were you asking me again, you traitor?

  4. As usual, easily defeatable by elan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Search on the usual suspect newsgroups and you'll find a "patch" that can easily be applied to Photoshop CS to turn the currency detection off.

    1. Re:As usual, easily defeatable by Endive4Ever · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, but you fail to understand the purpose of this anti-copying feature. It isn't to make it impossible for determined criminals to copy currency, it's to make it difficult enough that only determined criminals will try.

      The court system would be clogged with newbs and 'regular folk' who copied a few $20 and/or their 10 year old son did it.

      By implementing a layer of 'prohibition' like this they filter those folks out, which means there will be more resources available to hammer hard on the people who need the hammering (the people conterfeiting on a large scale). Which is a good thing, unless you're some sort of fringe character who thinks counterfeiting is kewl.

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  5. Preemptive Obedience by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Germans have a phrase for this sort of thing - "Preemptive Obedience". Question is, who are they obeying, and why? Colour photocopiers have been around for ages and photocopies of banknotes haven't been a huge problem so far. So what's new?

    Maybe this is another example of the kind of initiative that bureaucrats dream up all the time and usual get binned immediately, but are nowadays somehow seeing the light of day due to some "homeland security" paranoia. Like telling airline customers not to queue for the toilets in planes or whatever.

  6. Currency Watermarking.. by molo · · Score: 5, Informative

    It has been public information for a long time that there have been currency detection in digital color copiers. When I worked at Xerox this was publicly acknowledged (~4 years ago).

    The currency detection was used to imprint a watermark into the reproduction image. That watermark identified the copier model and serial number that made the photocopy. The result was that the secret service could track down photocopied currency to the exact machine it came from. This supposedly worked for US bills, but I don't know if it recognized other foreign bills.

    All thats changed now is that some devices stop printing the currency and instead print out some informational junk in its place. HP apparently does this in its Windows drivers, while Xerox did its watermarking in firmware on the actual device.

    -molo

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  7. Re:note design changes by pla · · Score: 5, Informative

    what happens when the note design changes?

    As many people have pointed out, in every Slashdot FP on this topic, the detection algorithm works by finding a pattern of five small circles in a particular configuration (which looks vaguely like the Cingular logo, without the head-dot).

    This same pattern occurs on US, Canadian, EU, and presumeably many other forms of world currency, so the same algorithm can detect all of them, without modification (and more usefully, without a huge library of bill designs that needs constant updating as various countries change the pictures on their money).

    To make a new bill design fit the detection algorithm, the government needs only include that pattern of five circles somewhere in the design.

    I included a link to a PDF of the pattern in a Slashdot post from a few days ago, if you want to see it.

  8. Re:We can use this ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, I've thought about this. I don't have complete information about the Eurion pattern, but if it's scalable to larger sizes, it could be interesting.

    I was thinking of T-shirts with this design on them so that photographs of you (think driver's license, passport) can't be photocopied.

    A little rubber stamp with this pattern on it so that you can copy-proof any document you want (do you want the IRS photocopying your 1040? Nah!)

    Anyway, not terribly handy I admit, but a great way to wrench up the works.

  9. I'm sorry Dave by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    I cannot copy that benjamin

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  10. Vending machines? by tordon · · Score: 5, Funny

    If software can detect bank notes in printer drivers, why can't vending machines do it reliably?

  11. Re:note design changes (anticounterfeit mania) by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if more images will incorporate these anticounterfeiting circles? CD covers, web photos, and books could all incorporate this simple design.

    What happens if someone puts the circle design on their webpage images? Does this prevent printing, copying, etc. web images?

    Circle mania could get very interesting.

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    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
  12. "Do not copy" symbol by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What happens if someone puts the circle design on their webpage images? Does this prevent printing, copying, etc. web images?

    Effectively, there's now a standard symbol for "do not copy". It needs to be better publicized, but it's out there. Soon we'll see it on everything.

    1. Re:"Do not copy" symbol by great_flaming_foo · · Score: 5, Funny
      It needs to be better publicized

      They tried to publicize it but for some reason their printer wouldn't work...

    2. Re:"Do not copy" symbol by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Effectively, there's now a standard symbol for "do not copy""

      Okay, print this symbol on your letterhead next time you write to your MP, and ask them to forward your letter (as you normally do when writing to MPs, they photocopy the letter, and forward it to the relevant department)

      Their secretaries will soon discover how easy this anticounterfeiting technique makes their lives... I wonder if any of them will put a postit note over the symbol to make it photocopy, or whether you can just include a load of them in the watermark. (a watermark in a watermark!)

  13. Re:Oh grow up by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Boy you are going to get the IP police on you about this one.

    Downloading MP3's is NOT a federal crime, for very many reasons.

    1) It pisses me off when people leave out the words "without distribution permission". I know why people do it, but the net result is it allows people to label an entire class of LEGAL activity as being shady. For example, absolutely nothing stops me from recording my wife singing, encoding it in the MP3 format, and sharing it. There are plenty of bands (insert rant about commercialized music and better alternatives) that have authorized distribution. MP3 != stolen

    2) It's not a federal crime. It's a violated contract. These are civil court infractions, not federal violations.

    3) The difference between a civil dispute and a federal crime is quite large. As in the difference between at most a fine and years of jail time.

    The parent poster was absolutely right. People forget what a REAL crime it is and ruin their whole lives. You'd honestly be better off stealing a candy bar than forging a $5 to pay for it.

  14. You might want to take a closer look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your child might actually be running afoul of the anti-Christ detection algorithms that were installed into software long before all this currency stuff. It looks for a specific pattern of 3 '6's on your child and should be helpful in alerting you to your child's status as the anti-Christ (along with the explained rash of deaths you must be experiencing). The quickest workaround is to change one of the 6s into an 8 with a sharpie.

    Why don't you post a picture of little Damien. I bet he's a real cutie patooty.

  15. Re:So What? by hopeless+case · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem isn't that this is stopping people from printing images of currency, but that it is establishing the principle that it is ok for the government to require programmers to put crime detection / phone home features in their software.

    Do you see the problem now?

    The "right" being infringed here is very close to speech. The right to write/run software of your own choosing without having to ask the government if it is ok first.

    You would consider it a big deal if the government required you to get their approval before publishing an article you had written, wouldn't you?

    The phrase prior-restraint comes to mind.