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Currency Detection Discovered in More Products

netbsd_fan writes "BUGTRAQ is reporting that anti-counterfeiting spyware is being found in more and more products. What is also interesting is that these products block fair uses of currency images which do not break the law. What incentive do printer manufacturers have to treat their customers like criminals? Is this a precursor to DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices?"

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  1. it's a test... by dirtyboot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's actually just a test for the true roll-out, which will prevent the reproduction and distribution of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    1. Re:it's a test... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know if this is too new. One guy living in England told some me years ago that you can't photocopy currency on photocopiers. They just come out black.

      In all honesty, I think that something like this is a bad idea because it relieves governments of the responsibility of making currency that is hard to counterfeit. Sooner or later, someone hardcore (probably a crime ring) with their own equipment will come along and duplicate poorly designed currency, making a whole bunch of fake currency that is undetectable.

      This is the same as what's going on with the DMCA. People are afraid to reveal vulnerabilities they have found in software so the things go unpatched, and then someone with a very evil agenda will come along exploit the problems that were not fixed due to silly restrictions.

      The 'release now, patch later' doctrine is widely used in software ... but I would not want to see it applied in something like currency.

    2. Re:it's a test... by bigman2003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This has been going on for a long time. In fact, I had a Kodak color copier back in 1995 that did the same thing.

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    3. Re:it's a test... by Winkhorst · · Score: 5, Interesting

      As a former photoengraver and member of the IPEU, now the GCIU, I can assure you that at one time it was illegal to make ANY kind of reproduction of American currency. The rules have now been relaxed a bit, but I personally would never do it. It's just too difficult to prove you weren't trying to counterfeit. My father worked with a fellow who claimed he was just "seeing if he could do it" after someone found a plate he left sitting in the water tank in the etching room overnight. He ended up with a long vacation to Leavenworth, Kansas. This is not a joke, and the Feds have no sense of humor about it at all.

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    4. Re:it's a test... by Safety+Cap · · Score: 4, Insightful
      ~ you can't photocopy currency on photocopiers. They just come out black.
      That is an urban legend.

      My first job while in High School was working at a print shop. After hours, the printer (this 1,000 year old man who knew...everything about printing) would show me how to do all kinds of things. One day we made red one-dollar bills (so that if somehow we got caught, we'd only get 5 years instead of 20 :)) to see if we could do it. What we came up with was very close, and considering that we used last-century's technology, very impressive. After the experiment was over, we burned the results.

      If you want to get going with a major operation, you'd need plates (a home printer/professional printer can't get the fine dots that you get from plates) and a good supply of the special rag bond they use. The most important thing, and the hardest to reproduce, is the seal where they imprint two colors (green and black) in the same spot. Now with the watermark and embedded strip, you'd need to treat the paper to get those features before you printed the image.

      EVEN EASIER: (I've seen this happen several times) Take a twenty and a ten. Rip the short edges off (the part that has the denomination numbers) and swap. Now your bill with 70% ten and 30% twenty is a twenty. Take the rest of the twenty to the bank to get a new one (as long as it is 51%+, they'll do it), and use the franken-bill at a shop for $20 worth of goods!

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    5. Re:it's a test... by ePhil_One · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But its new to the Slashdot home page, which makes it current and exciting news. Besides, pointing out that Canon refered to this feature in their marketing materials for their color photocopiers 8 years ago makes it difficult to pin on the Patriot act.

      The reality is they are trying to remove the temptation from the casual counterfiter, cranking out a few cheezy twenties on the office copier to stretch their paycheck a few more beers. Most of these dumbasses are too stupid to realize they're commiting a serious fedral crime, and that often they are just waiting for you to cross that magical barrier that makes it a serious crime.

      Sorta like the clerks skimming twenties from the drawer thinking they are getting away with it when management is waiting for the $$ amount to hit the "felony" level, recording everything on videotape.

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    6. Re:it's a test... by chill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had this discussion over Christmas. A friend of mine's wife has been a bank teller for several years. They get lots of training on this sort of thing.

      They're not supposed to take bills like the ones you describe -- with the ends ripped off. That scam is decades old. Of course, some most certainly do, but they aren't supposed to. There are a few other things that tip them off, too. I can't remember a lot of them now, but if they're busy a lot of it just slides by.

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  2. note design changes by geoff+lane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    what happens when the note design changes?

    1. Re:note design changes by pla · · Score: 5, Informative

      what happens when the note design changes?

      As many people have pointed out, in every Slashdot FP on this topic, the detection algorithm works by finding a pattern of five small circles in a particular configuration (which looks vaguely like the Cingular logo, without the head-dot).

      This same pattern occurs on US, Canadian, EU, and presumeably many other forms of world currency, so the same algorithm can detect all of them, without modification (and more usefully, without a huge library of bill designs that needs constant updating as various countries change the pictures on their money).

      To make a new bill design fit the detection algorithm, the government needs only include that pattern of five circles somewhere in the design.

      I included a link to a PDF of the pattern in a Slashdot post from a few days ago, if you want to see it.

  3. We can use this ourselves by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Funny

    What I really want to be able to do is to incorporate this signature into my own images. It could be used to provide a modicum of image protection from the technophobes, or else to annoy people. I found a few details on how it works here. I particularly like a comment from one guy about how it blocks scanning of $20 bills...

    "You can still scan a $10 bill twice."

    :D

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    1. Re:We can use this ourselves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I've thought about this. I don't have complete information about the Eurion pattern, but if it's scalable to larger sizes, it could be interesting.

      I was thinking of T-shirts with this design on them so that photographs of you (think driver's license, passport) can't be photocopied.

      A little rubber stamp with this pattern on it so that you can copy-proof any document you want (do you want the IRS photocopying your 1040? Nah!)

      Anyway, not terribly handy I admit, but a great way to wrench up the works.

    2. Re:We can use this ourselves by dogdaze · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or put the pattern on your car license plate and stop those pesky red light cameras from printing images.

  4. Spyware? Wrong term I think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this software/hardware reporting back to someone that you're trying to duplicate currency? I doubt it, so it's likely not spyware. The incentive they have is simply to help the government fight counterfeit currency. Do you want your goods to be purchased with fake money? I don't.

  5. All ready slow! by nubbie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    To: BugTraq
    Subject: HP printers and currency anti-copying measures
    Date: Jan 17 2004 5:10PM
    Author: Richard M. Smith
    Message-ID:

    Hi,

    Last week, the Associated Press reported that Adobe has incorporated
    anti-copying technology in their Photoshop CS software which prevents users
    from opening image files of U.S. and European currency. Here's the article:

    Adobe admits to currency blocker
    http://tinyurl.com/2xnno

    (http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,14 13 ,87~11271~1882929,00.html)

    I did some investigating on my own computer and discovered that HP has also
    been shipping currency anti-copying software in their printer drives since
    at least the summer of 2002. I have an HP 130 photo printer and found the
    string "http://www.rulesforuse.org" embedded in the driver.

    According to a few newsgroup messages posted in 2002 and 2003, folks are
    seeing this URL printed out when they attempt to print images of certain
    types of bills. An HP printer with this anti-copying technology only prints
    out an inch of a currency image before aborting the print job.

    Here is a list of HP printers which appear to have this anti-copy technology
    embedded in their Windows printer drivers:

    HP 130
    HP 230
    HP 7150
    HP 7345
    HP 7350
    HP 7550

    I suspect the list of affected HP printers is much longer.

    I located these printer drivers simply by searching all files in my Windows
    and Program Files directories for the string "rulesforuse". If other folks
    run this same experiment, please let me know of other programs which appear
    to contain currency anti-copy technology.

    There are some unanswered questions raised by this quiet effort by U.S. and
    European governments to turn home computers into anti-counterfeiting "cops":

    1. Besides graphic programs and printer drivers, what
    other kinds of software is this currency anti-copy
    technology being embedded in?

    2. Are companies being required to include currency
    anti-copying technology in their products? If not,
    what incentives are being offered to companies to
    include the technology on a voluntary basis?

    3. Will future versions of this technology, "phone home"
    to the rulesforuse.org Web site with details about
    a violation of the currency copying rules? It would
    be very easy to include an email address, name of the
    image file, software version number, etc. embedded in
    a URL to the rulesforuse.org when a violation has been
    detected.

    Richard M. Smith
    http://www.ComputerBytesMan.com

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    1. Re:All ready slow! by Total_Wimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's what makes using DRM (which this is, basically) vs. using open source such a battle. You can't simultaneously have modifiable source code and un-modifiable DRM.

      Possibility 1: Because open source flourishes, DRM will be marginalized.

      Possibility 2: Because DRM flourishes, open source will be marginalized.

      Possibility 3: There is no possibility 3. One or the other is going to be slowly die down to irrelevance. Right now open source actually seems to be winning. I hope it stays that way.

      TW

  6. What incentive?!?!? by koreth · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, first of all, the government has a compelling...

    Hey, look! Over there! A terrorist!

    What were you asking me again, you traitor?

  7. As usual, easily defeatable by elan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Search on the usual suspect newsgroups and you'll find a "patch" that can easily be applied to Photoshop CS to turn the currency detection off.

    1. Re:As usual, easily defeatable by Endive4Ever · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, but you fail to understand the purpose of this anti-copying feature. It isn't to make it impossible for determined criminals to copy currency, it's to make it difficult enough that only determined criminals will try.

      The court system would be clogged with newbs and 'regular folk' who copied a few $20 and/or their 10 year old son did it.

      By implementing a layer of 'prohibition' like this they filter those folks out, which means there will be more resources available to hammer hard on the people who need the hammering (the people conterfeiting on a large scale). Which is a good thing, unless you're some sort of fringe character who thinks counterfeiting is kewl.

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  8. Preemptive Obedience by Rhubarb+Crumble · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Germans have a phrase for this sort of thing - "Preemptive Obedience". Question is, who are they obeying, and why? Colour photocopiers have been around for ages and photocopies of banknotes haven't been a huge problem so far. So what's new?

    Maybe this is another example of the kind of initiative that bureaucrats dream up all the time and usual get binned immediately, but are nowadays somehow seeing the light of day due to some "homeland security" paranoia. Like telling airline customers not to queue for the toilets in planes or whatever.

  9. Currency Watermarking.. by molo · · Score: 5, Informative

    It has been public information for a long time that there have been currency detection in digital color copiers. When I worked at Xerox this was publicly acknowledged (~4 years ago).

    The currency detection was used to imprint a watermark into the reproduction image. That watermark identified the copier model and serial number that made the photocopy. The result was that the secret service could track down photocopied currency to the exact machine it came from. This supposedly worked for US bills, but I don't know if it recognized other foreign bills.

    All thats changed now is that some devices stop printing the currency and instead print out some informational junk in its place. HP apparently does this in its Windows drivers, while Xerox did its watermarking in firmware on the actual device.

    -molo

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  10. Counterfeiting is a *federal* crime... by Omega · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I certainly appreciate people's rights to make fake looking money for promotional or political purposes, but I'm astonished by how many people forget that counterfeiting is a federal crime.

    Some people use their photo printers to make near duplicate dollar bills to put in vending machines and are then surprised when the secret service shows up at their door.

    Counterfeiting (in any denomination) is a serious crime. One that is punishable by serving jail time in a federal penitentiary.

  11. I'm sorry Dave by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    I cannot copy that benjamin

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  12. Who is serving whom? by Dutchmaan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We seem to be crossing the barrier from capturing and prosecuting criminals to restraining the general populace in order to protect the status quo institution...

    At what point does the government go from serving the wishes of the people to the people serving the wishes of the government?

    Take a good and careful look.. this is erosion of freedom at work... Sure maybe it's small and relatively painless.. but then, that's why they call it erosion,

  13. Nope. by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Is this a precursor to DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices?"

    Nope. It's a pre-emptive step to avoid government mandated DRM in scanners, CD drives, and output devices. If wide-spread counterfitting were to occur because one of these devices was capable of pulling it off, the manufacturer would be able to say "we took reasonable steps to avoid this." If they didn't do that, then the gov't would no doubt cook up its own solution to the problem. I am not a huge fan of this, I would rather these companies stay out of the legal cross-fire.

    The United States is going to protect its currency very heavily. Don't provoke them by trying to circumvent this.

  14. Vending machines? by tordon · · Score: 5, Funny

    If software can detect bank notes in printer drivers, why can't vending machines do it reliably?

  15. Re:note design changes (anticounterfeit mania) by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if more images will incorporate these anticounterfeiting circles? CD covers, web photos, and books could all incorporate this simple design.

    What happens if someone puts the circle design on their webpage images? Does this prevent printing, copying, etc. web images?

    Circle mania could get very interesting.

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  16. That explains it! by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Funny


    Thank you for your post. I've returned 6 printers and both PS and PSP so far. By some freak of nature, my newborn son has birthmarks arranged in the pattern shown in the PDF. Every time I've tried to work with his image the software wouldn't load it. Then when I finally resorted to MS Paint, the printers wouldn't print it!

    I was able to defeat this "feature" by drawing another birthmark on my son...problem solved! Thank you slashdot for saving the day...again.

  17. "Do not copy" symbol by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What happens if someone puts the circle design on their webpage images? Does this prevent printing, copying, etc. web images?

    Effectively, there's now a standard symbol for "do not copy". It needs to be better publicized, but it's out there. Soon we'll see it on everything.

    1. Re:"Do not copy" symbol by great_flaming_foo · · Score: 5, Funny
      It needs to be better publicized

      They tried to publicize it but for some reason their printer wouldn't work...

    2. Re:"Do not copy" symbol by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There has always been such a symbol:

      . . SYMB0L. .
      . SY. . . MB.
      0L. . SYMB. 0L
      SY. MB. . . 0L
      SY. MB. . . 0L
      SY. . MB0L. SY
      . MB. . . 0L.
      . . SYMB0L. .

      dumb lameness filter...

    3. Re:"Do not copy" symbol by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Effectively, there's now a standard symbol for "do not copy""

      Okay, print this symbol on your letterhead next time you write to your MP, and ask them to forward your letter (as you normally do when writing to MPs, they photocopy the letter, and forward it to the relevant department)

      Their secretaries will soon discover how easy this anticounterfeiting technique makes their lives... I wonder if any of them will put a postit note over the symbol to make it photocopy, or whether you can just include a load of them in the watermark. (a watermark in a watermark!)

  18. Actually, YOU report in... by temojen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Suddenly, the expensive printer in your office starts printing every image (but not text) in fluorescent green. It has plenty of magenta toner, plain paper, a surge suppressor, etc. It's having the same problem with both Windows and BSD or Linux computers, so you know it's not a driver issue.

    So, what do you do?

    You call tech support to find out you need to do a firmware upgrade, remove the network card, turn the printer off & back on, while holding a button, turn it off, replace the network card, turn it back on, and calibrate it 3 times.

    Have this same trouble ticket a few times and I bet they'll notify the RCMP, MI-6, FBI, or whatever it is in your country.

    All because someone at your office was "playing" with a new logo design, that happens to include a scanned image of the "great pyramid" on the US dollar bill.

  19. Open-source drivers to be prohibited? by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    HP implemented this technology in their Windows printer drivers, not in their printers. This raises some serious questions for open-source printer support.

    Will printers be locked to Windows drivers, so that they only work with Windows? This might be justified as an "anti-counterfeiting" measure. Otherwise, there's an "open source hole" in the protection strategy.

    Will generic printer drivers stop working? What about standalone printer spooling devices? Less-common operating systems?

  20. HOLY CRAP by Mike+Hawk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looking up the powers of the Secret Service I found this:

    What are the rules for the printing, publishing and illustrations of U.S. currency?

    The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:
    1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;
    2. the illustration is one-sided; and
    3. all negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use.

    Title 18, United States Code, Section 504 permits black and white reproductions of currency and other obligations, provided such reproductions meet the size requirement. See Know Your Money for more information.

    So basically, even if you did it once, you'd have to destroy your printer and delete any storage medium used to make it.
    Secret Service wins, good game!

  21. Re:Oh grow up by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Boy you are going to get the IP police on you about this one.

    Downloading MP3's is NOT a federal crime, for very many reasons.

    1) It pisses me off when people leave out the words "without distribution permission". I know why people do it, but the net result is it allows people to label an entire class of LEGAL activity as being shady. For example, absolutely nothing stops me from recording my wife singing, encoding it in the MP3 format, and sharing it. There are plenty of bands (insert rant about commercialized music and better alternatives) that have authorized distribution. MP3 != stolen

    2) It's not a federal crime. It's a violated contract. These are civil court infractions, not federal violations.

    3) The difference between a civil dispute and a federal crime is quite large. As in the difference between at most a fine and years of jail time.

    The parent poster was absolutely right. People forget what a REAL crime it is and ruin their whole lives. You'd honestly be better off stealing a candy bar than forging a $5 to pay for it.

  22. You might want to take a closer look by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your child might actually be running afoul of the anti-Christ detection algorithms that were installed into software long before all this currency stuff. It looks for a specific pattern of 3 '6's on your child and should be helpful in alerting you to your child's status as the anti-Christ (along with the explained rash of deaths you must be experiencing). The quickest workaround is to change one of the 6s into an 8 with a sharpie.

    Why don't you post a picture of little Damien. I bet he's a real cutie patooty.

  23. Re:So What? by diablobynight · · Score: 4, Funny

    yes because I can go and buy the paper I would need to even come close to making the feel of a dollar bill, but more importantly, what about for birthdays when I take 100 dollar bills then super impose my ass on the bill and give it to people in cards. I want to still keep doing that, the joke never gets old, the person sees an excellent 100$ bill pulls it fully out of the card and sees my ass with full fruit basket, it's beautiful.

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  24. Re:So What? by hopeless+case · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem isn't that this is stopping people from printing images of currency, but that it is establishing the principle that it is ok for the government to require programmers to put crime detection / phone home features in their software.

    Do you see the problem now?

    The "right" being infringed here is very close to speech. The right to write/run software of your own choosing without having to ask the government if it is ok first.

    You would consider it a big deal if the government required you to get their approval before publishing an article you had written, wouldn't you?

    The phrase prior-restraint comes to mind.

  25. Re:Is it? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say it with me everyone: THE DMCA WAS SIGNED IN 1998 BY YOUR BOY BILL CLINTON.

    Now YOU escuche y repita:

    JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DISLIKES GEORGE W. BUSH DOES NOT MEAN THAT BILL CLINTON IS "THEIR BOY".

  26. There's an epidemic of casual fakes by UninvitedCompany · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In all this conversation were missing an important fact. That is, that there is a serious problem with casual counterfeitting of currency. In the U.S., most currency actually passed is now produced on color printers and copiers. While such copies are easy to identify, they are usually passed in situations where they will not receive much scrutiny. That is, in low light situations where the cashier is in a hurry, like in a bar or at a concert. Usually the cashiers don't care that much, since they aren't the one who's out the money when a fake comes in -- except at places like electronics stores that have more exposure and so train their cashiers better. By the time the counterfeit is found, the doer is long gone and so the business ends up just getting screwed. They don't have any recourse. Now, the counterfeitting laws and the whole enforcement system is predicated upon the idea that fakes can't be produced without substantial upfront effort. The print-on-demand nature of this type of counterfeitting makes prosecution tricky. With offset counterfeits, there are multiple people involved. There are resources to get, cameras, plate burners, presses, paper, ink, and all these attract attention. Computer-produced fakes aren't like that. There's no evidence except perhaps what forensic analysis can turn up on the hard drive. The presence of counterfeits detracts from the widespread acceptance of currency. Since currency is the only practical anonymous means of payment, those of us who value our privacy would do well to support measures that keep currency practical. Now, the anticopying measures in the printers are, as far as anyone has been able to tell, a voluntary measure on the part of the manufacturers. Good for them. It is one of only two good choke points for the problem, the other being to have cashiers check in detail for things like watermarks. Is it a form of DRM? Not really, since it is wholly unrelated to copyright law, and since there is no digital distribution of the "content" in the first place. What are the implications for open source? None. Open source systems could include such measures and may do so in the fullness of time. Just because it can be disabled by the knowledgeable makes no difference. When the day comes when 90% of the desktops have an open source operating system and desktop suite, most of the user base will have no idea how to make such changes.