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The Dirt On Mars, In Words And Pictures

An anonymous reader writes "The Spirit rover's first soil analysis reveals some puzzling features about Gusev crater. The region seems to contain the greenish silicate mineral, olivine, which usually is considered water-reactive and thus volcanic in origin. For olivine to be found in the soil may point to rock formation during a drier period in martian history, even with strong evidence for sampling in an ancient lakebed. A second puzzle is why the soil seems so crusty. After the rover arm pressed soil down, the top layer of dust hardly moved, a finding that suggests something may be binding the dust like some type of salt or thin cement." For even more and better Mars pictures, read on below.

mlyle writes "I've spent a few hours hacking together some software to deal with the Mars Exploration Rover imagery at JPL. The software puts together a webpage and RDF feed of new raw imagery as it is posted to the JPL site, along with technical information decoded about how the picture was taken. It also produces stereo anaglyphs and color images that NASA has not seen fit to convert and make publically available. Be sure to also check out the ultra high resolution image of the lander as viewed from Spirit."

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  1. Maestro update! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's also been an update for the Maestro visualisation and planning thingy. I'm downloading it right now - let's get some more BitTorrent seeds up and running! :)

    1. Re:Maestro update! by maeka · · Score: 5, Informative

      Finding out where/when/how life was once possible on Mars would help us find evidence of those life forms. Finding evidence (assuming it exists) of wholly unique, truly alien, life would help us greatly here on Earth understand just what life it, how it began, and go a long way towards answering the ultimate question: Are we alone in the universe? Is Earth the sole planet with life?

    2. Re:Maestro update! by EpsCylonB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BTW, what happened before Creation? See, everyone, at some point, gets backed into the taking-something-on-faith corner. Some are just more explicit about it than others.

      Not me, I don't know what there was before the big bang and don't mid admitting it. I guess you could say that believing in the big bang requires a certain amount of faith but at least there is evidence for it and it is a lot more credible than a 2000 year old book that has been translated so many times it can't be accurate.

  2. Why surprise by savagedome · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are some puzzles and there are surprises
    One unexpected finding was the Moessbauer spectrometer's detection of a mineral called olivine, which does not survive weathering well

    It doesn't survive weathering well in Earth like conditions. Mars, on the other hand, has extreme and totally different climate conditions and it should not be a surprise that minerals exhibit different properties.

  3. of course it's crusty by tazanator · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's been waiting how long for us to visit? Come on think aboutit, it has been just hanging around for a few hundred years, that we have been looking at it, and they expect it to be soft and fresh?!?!??

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  4. Re:Lucky NASA folks by GonzoDave · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess it's good NASA didn't seem a spotty teenager inside the probe to send the images.

    "That's not Mars, it's Paris Hilton"

  5. Re:Why B&W? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    a color CCD would require a sensor for each of R, G, and B pixel values. By using a monochrome CCD, they could pack as many pixels into the available space and use color filters to determine the RGB values of each pixel instead.

    essentially, they are tripling their resolution at the expense of having to take three monochrome pictures each through different color filters to get a single full color picture.

  6. Airbag-trails by l0wland · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "After the rover arm pressed soil down, the top layer of dust hardly moved, a finding that suggests something may be binding the dust like some type of salt or thin cement."

    Interesting, as the marks of the airbags are clearly visible on all pics. Or am I missing the point of a rover-arm having less force than a bouncing-lander-in-an-airbag?

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  7. Re:Why B&W? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because conventional colour is too limiting. With filter wheels, there's the possibility of far more scientific data - there's (IIRC) eleven different filters available on Spirit's pancam, instead of the integrated red, green and blue in a consumer-level CCD. There's wide-pass and narrow-pass filters, near-infra-red - they're effectively magic sunglasses which can be used to look for interesting geology from afar.

    Surprisingly few spacecraft have taken conventional colour cameras with them. Some of the Voyager colour shots of Jupiter, for instance, are definitely made up of multiple exposures taken at slightly different times - if you look at the red, green and blue channels, you can see how the clouds have moved while the exposures were being taken.

    I think the CCDs on modern telescopes are monochrome as well, with particular filters used for looking at interesting wavelengths and things like that. 'Colour' shots are again made by combining multiple exposures...

  8. Re:Why B&W? by mlyle · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's typical for space science applications.

    What you want on a space probe is maximal CCD chip area-- not to take things up with filters. So they have a color wheel instead. Also, the filters of ranges that the eye is sensitive to in red, green, and blue is not very useful scientifically.

    They have a choice of 8 filters on each of the pancams, and the left filters are in the visible range of light. However, there are caveats, as human visual perception is a complex thing. As a result, colors are going to be off even if a picture is shot with all 7 visual range filters.

    The image processing software I've written makes a best guess with 2/4/7 and 2/5/6 filter sets. It is pretty close, but extreme colors are wrong (the red point is shifted by about 30nm) I hope to use the cases where they've shot additional pictures (e.g. magic carpet) to improve things further for selected images in the next couple of days.

  9. Great way to diverge into the explainable... by rcastro0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but what about this picture ?

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  10. Yum! Olivine! by ljavelin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yum! I remember when my Mom used to make me a big glass of Olivine when I got home from school. Just add it into a glass warm milk, and yum! Wholesome and delicious, rich in essential vitamins and minerals!

    Just imagine all that Olivine on Mars! Certainly it'd be worthwhile to travel to Mars, given an unbounded supply of ready-made food already on the surface. This, my friends, could cure world hunger!

    In fact, now that they've found that Mars has a lot of Olivine, I'd start speculating that the dust is being bound together by Tang.

  11. Re:Mining by MyBeeswax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was no plate tectonics on Mars so it is extremely unlikely that minerals got concentrated, and even if they did, there is no crustal movement to bring this stuff to the surface. I think that the mining prospects on Mars are bleak.

  12. Re:Water-reactive and thus volcanic? by pacsman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Water reactive means it reacts with water and therefore wouldn't form in a wet environment. That means that if you find a rock with this mineral it must be igneous in nature because the other main type of rock formation occurs on seabeds, thus in the presence of water. I'd love for them to find some sandstone or limestone, that'd be a pretty clear indication of water in the past.

  13. More good Mars Info by IPFreely · · Score: 5, Informative
    More Mars info here. It includes some nice 3D imaging, large zoom and pans of the latest rover images, and some nice 3D pilotable flyovers of several sites, including Olympus Mons.

    It has all the latest Mars Rover info as well, and a direct link to JPL for the latest and greatest pictures and info. www.marsquestonline.org
    Go hit it. It's worth a look around.

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  14. NOVA: Mars Dead or Alive by IPFreely · · Score: 5, Informative
    What you saw was on PBS, NOVA: Mars dead or alive. The home page is here, and there's a link that claims you can watch the whole show here.

    Of course the show is 50 minutes or so, and the animation you want is in the middle. I taped it when it was broadcast, and I do like the scene you are describing.

    Hope that helps.

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  15. Meteorite? by scalis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I read at one of the links that "Olivine is also found in many iron-nickel meteorites. Not just as small grains but as significantly sized crystals sometimes occupying over 50% of the meteorites volume."
    I do not know anything about minerals really, but if the lander is exploring a crater, couldn't this come from the meteorite that created the crater in the first place?

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  16. causes, precursors by phyruxus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    >> BTW, what happened before Creation? See, everyone, at some point, gets backed into the taking-something-on-faith corner. Some are just more explicit about it than others.


    Eggzactly.


    One of the less ridiculous "proofs" for God's existence is that, "the world exists. Because there cannot be infinite causes, an ultimate originator must exist and that originator is God."


    The "no infinite causes" ('nic') line is from Aristotle.
    The problem is that NIC is only true if you take Aristotle's word for it. Now, he was assuredly a smart dude, but he was not infallible. His philosophy denies the existence of atomic particles (so if you agree with Aristotle 100%, you either have a fantastic take on all the science of the last 100 years, or you're provably wrong about something.)

    The second problem is the assumption that, "if there is an ultimate originator, then it is God."
    This is also simply an article of faith, which does not per se make it wrong, merely unjustified.

    I can say with equal emphasis and personal faith that, "Since there cannot be an ultimate originator, there must be infinite causes." Further, I could say: "Therefore, those infinite causes are God", or equally, "Therefore, belief in God as an ultimate originator is fallacious."

    No one can disprove that without assuming something on faith, either in a trusted authority (philosophical, religious, or otherwise) because no one actually has evidence either way.

    Faith is a natural and healthy part of the human experience. Self righteousness and moral absolutism are comfy illusions. The difference between faith and zealotry is that zealots can't or won't change their beliefs under any cirumstances. Even when their own intelligence officers tell them that Iraq abandonded it's WMD programs in 1991.

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  17. Olivine beach by kyoorius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is actually a green sand beach on the big island of Hawaii.
    It is little known, and difficult to get to, but a long drive down
    an unpaved road, and two or so mile hike will get you to it.

    I once met an minerologist gathering samples there.
    He told me the beach was green because of a large olivine vein
    which was eroded over the years by the ocean waves.

    pics: http://www.techfreakz.org/blacksand/

  18. Re:Ok, I'm going to be the first to say it by linuxbikr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's about as interesting as the moon, just twice the diameter and with a little bit of atmosphere as a result. Even if we do find bacteria or the remains thereof, so what?

    Anyone that isn't a religious nut can come to the conclusion pretty easily that life in some form is out there in all probability.

    Probability less than 1.00 is not proof. If proof was found that life exists or had existed on Mars in the past, then it changes the way we look at the Universe. If life could develop on two planets in the same solar system, what does that say for the possibility and commonality of life elsewhere?

    Perhaps Mars is boring. It's the same argument people said about the lunar missions a generation ago. It only became boring because we let it.

    Take a step back and stand in awe of the fact that we have the ability to even do what we are doing. It isn't boring. It wasn't in 1969 and it isn't now. It should be considered anything but boring. Maybe if we hadn't gotten "bored" in 1972, it wouldn't be a robot up there analyzing samples up there and sending back imagery used preprogrammed commands on a 20 minute delay. It would be a man or woman instead, with us hearing their voice, the excitement and thrill at walking on another world and making that thrill of discovery, curiousity and exploration infectious to entire planet and to another generation. But we didn't. We should have.

    Have a sense of romance and excitement. I wish I could send commands to the rover along the lines of "Look that way! What's over there?!?" or "Drive over there and look behind that rock.".

    There are some things that should transcend day-to-day living and the focus on our daily lives and exist simply for the sake of doing it, cost and politics aside. Space exploration should be one of those things.

  19. Re:Are we really looking for an answer to a proble by Omestes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you are confusing scales. In the short term finding Osama MAY be more important than finding life, or traces of, somewhere else in the cosmos. But in the long term Osama doesn't matter in the least, neither does 9/11, America, You, I, or much else. Finding life would answer a COSMIC question, killing Osama with some little Geneva convention violating bug would answer a wholly secular, and temporal question.

    Finding traces of life on Mars would further the work of Galaleo[sp], Darwin, Einstein, and all the other great minds who pushed the boundries of knowledge, who led to BIGGER questions. Finding Osama would make George Bush look like he already did not waste BILLIONS (not just millions) of dollars, and MIGHT increase Americas sense of security by a minute modicum.

    Finding life would challenge theology, and put some serious stress on the creationists, which in my opinion is a good thing. It also would expand the Earthly feilds of science, answering some time-old questions. Finding Osama and killing him would only answer the question "Where is Osama?", which is of little importance to the world-as-a-whole, and the greater reach of intellectual history streaching before us.

    Finding life would be comforting to us, now and generations hence. We would for once know that we are not alone, and that the odds of alien life, albeit simple, are greater than some nay-sayers say. Finding Osama, well, would be comforting to the US, at least until the next "evil doer" comes along to rain on our parade.

    You must look at the bigger picture. Killing Osama is a sign of hatred, dark emotions, revenge, war. Finding life, a sign of hope, progress (in a good way), knowledge, and a greater respect for life itself. What is wrong with embracing both goals, vengence and death, and hope and respect?

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